tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 13, 2019 20:04:02 GMT
I'm working on Swedish definitives and now with Gustaf VI Adolf 1951-71. This is the first stamp in the series, 10 øre green. Facit indicates two engravings. First there was a shallow engraving, then there was a deep engraving. I think I have both types here, but I'm not sure. Does anyone here has knowlegde about this or liks to info? Michel SE 356A Scott SE 418 Yvert et Tellier SE 355 Stanley Gibbons SE 318 AFA number SE 365 Facit SE 399A  |
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Post by youpiao on Jun 14, 2019 5:44:42 GMT
tobben63 I tried to find information about this, but came up with nothing. I did find this blog about the series, which you may be aware of, but for which I will post the link for the benefit of others: swedishdefinitives.blogspot.com/p/gustav-vi-adolf-type-i.htmlThe author makes mention of the shallow engraving, but does not address the subject of re-engraving, only that other colors were tried out. I found the informaation on this series fascinating. Please keep us updated on anything you find out about the re-engraving. Ted
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 14, 2019 9:33:04 GMT
youpiao thanks a lot for the link, was not aware if this blog. I will investigate furter on these stamps. My best refference for now is the Facit catalogue, but I will sercth the internet for resources. Maybe the library in my local stamp club has something, but it is now closed for the summer. I will be nack 😊
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 14, 2019 21:49:31 GMT
I have not found more info regarding the two engravings on the first 10øre green Gustaf VI stamp. But I have sorted mine (roughly) to what I think the two engravings must be. The two upper rows I'm most sure of, the rest I'm not that confident. There could be shallow engravings with good or har print and deep engravings with light print. Scanned at 1200dpi, click on image to go to better resolution. Edit, I had to splitt image to several images do to file size.    |
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Post by dgdecker on Jun 15, 2019 0:34:51 GMT
Thanks for the insight to this issue. I will keep in mind as I sort through my packets of Swedish stamps.
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 15, 2019 7:56:53 GMT
All too deep for me. I limit myself to the perf/imperfs as listed in Facit. A B AB and C.
With mint and used that gives me half a dozen or so...........................
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....more than enough!
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 15, 2019 8:10:36 GMT
I have done that up to now vikingeck , but I got a huge load with Swedish definitives in a auction lot. So to justify the bid on a (not to good lot) I started to look closer to some of them and discovered the engravings differences decribed in Facit. I have nearly all of Gustaf VI Adolf from before, but only collected as Lighthouse set them up. That means I dont have collected the single stamps with various perforation sides, just pairs. And only used stamps. Asample on the side Im making. Putting a image of the stamp in first box when I start with a new stamp number.  |
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 15, 2019 8:20:18 GMT
This is how Lighthouse do it.  |
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Post by darkormex on Jun 16, 2019 17:52:28 GMT
A question for tobben63..is it common practice to collect Swedish coils in pairs rather than singles or is it collector preference? Does Facit list them this way or is it just how your Lighthouse album has them laid out? I had a Facit catalogue a long time ago but sold it at one time or another. |
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Post by khj on Jun 16, 2019 19:27:45 GMT
A question for tobben63 ..is it common practice to collect Swedish coils in pairs rather than singles or is it collector preference? Does Facit list them this way or is it just how your Lighthouse album has them laid out? I had a Facit catalogue a long time ago but sold it at one time or another. Those are not actually coil pairs, but booklet pairs from the booklet pane. In the US, we collect coil pairs and booklet singles. But in Europe, you find they will collect coil singles and booklet pairs. I didn't know that until I got my first European made Scandinavia-area album. That's when I noticed it in FACIT. Some of those older booklet pairs on cover are worth more than the mint pairs. |
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Post by darkormex on Jun 16, 2019 19:54:46 GMT
A question for tobben63 ..is it common practice to collect Swedish coils in pairs rather than singles or is it collector preference? Does Facit list them this way or is it just how your Lighthouse album has them laid out? I had a Facit catalogue a long time ago but sold it at one time or another. Those are not actually coil pairs, but booklet pairs from the booklet pane. In the US, we collect coil pairs and booklet singles. But in Europe, you find they will collect coil singles and booklet pairs. I didn't know that until I got my first European made Scandinavia-area album. That's when I noticed it in FACIT. Some of those older booklet pairs on cover are worth more than the mint pairs. Ok. Thank you for clarifying. I was reading the thread this morning and sitting here with some Swedish stamps I had soaked which included a coil pair of a later definitive issue (not the Gustav in this thread) so it made me pause....thinking that I should not separate the two stamps. |
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 16, 2019 20:09:33 GMT
khj answered the question correct darkormex. Coil pairs are common but not collected if not there is something special with them ore they have a nice postmark as fare as I know. Lighthouse arrange them as on the picture I posted. I have now made pages with the Gustaf VI Adolf Definitives with all the ways Facit describe.
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Post by khj on Jun 16, 2019 20:15:01 GMT
I should also clarify, there are some Swedish Tête-bêche coils, which obviously must be collected as pairs or multiples. That's something you don't see in the US.
Also, there are specialists who do collect Scandinavian coil pairs/multiples, in general. I forgot who, but I was told by one collector that a few of the early coils are really difficult to find in pairs/multiples. Facit doesn't list general coil pairs, but apparently those who specialize in them know which of the early coil multiples are difficult to get.
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Post by darkormex on Jun 16, 2019 20:20:45 GMT
khj answered the question correct darkormex . Coil pairs are common but not collected if not there is something special with them ore they have a nice postmark as fare as I know. Lighthouse arrange them as on the picture I posted. I have now made pages with the Gustaf VI Adolf Definitives with all the ways Facit describe. I pulled up the page image and took a good look at it and see that now. Steiner doesn't arrange them this way on his pages but that's okay. One less stamp collecting rule to worry about! |
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 16, 2019 23:38:08 GMT
Canadians usually collect out coils (and I suppose most others) as pairs.
I did find it odd that German coils are perfed all around. The only way to tell sheet from coil is that one in 10 (or so) stamps has a control number on the backside. I just happened to win a lot that included coil strips of 5, but am not intending to look for their coils. Too much like sheet stamps, if you ask me Plust it's a cash grab to have collector add strips of 5 (!) to every coil stamp there is!
In Canada, there are jump strips, usually collected in strip of 4 and line pairs to add to the usual pairs. Some do collect singles, but most collect in pairs. Starting/ending strips of up to 20 blank labels & 2 stamps are also available. But they are just too ridiculous for me.
But ours, like the Americans are imperfects on top/bottom or sides. Why is German odd in how they do theirs?
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Post by khj on Jun 17, 2019 0:03:10 GMT
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