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Post by renden on Nov 28, 2019 23:54:20 GMT
stainlessb - already gave my opinion that this was not GC paper.....maybe other FRANCE members will respond.......! René Happy thanksgiving USA !!
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 29, 2019 1:56:05 GMT
indeed Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate (and Happy Day to those who do not) I have the stamp now drying- please (someone ), i do not doubt renden 's opinion, as I may well have my interpretation of printed wortds describing colors backassward... and I have found no definitive pictures online ( this being true with most shades/ color varieties)
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 29, 2019 1:58:18 GMT
and changing gears here's an almost loaded page of GB QV Jubilee page 1 if you see flaws with my color assciation to printed descriptions, please let me know if you look back at the blank pages, it's interesting how the scanner interprets color as the scene changes the paper is ivory/manilla 156lb (at least that is as I remember it) Happy Turkey Day!
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Nov 29, 2019 11:22:50 GMT
Great looking page again stainlessb, well done Unfortunately these Jubilee issues are troubled with colour changelings and/or colors being washed of when soaking due to fugitive ink. It might be my screen, but it seems both your 2d greens are affected by this. Ideally the green color should be less yellowish and more deep green or grey green than yours are. Unfortunately this is particularily common for the 2d's. I think about 80% or more of the 2d copies I had were washed-out in a similar way! HERE's a link with a image indicating the original colours.
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Post by angore on Nov 29, 2019 11:45:44 GMT
stainlessbNice pages - I like information on pages. BTW, on my computer the image has a bluish / grayish tint? Is that intentional?
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Nov 29, 2019 12:03:55 GMT
Here's another version of DIY pages. This time not for regular stamp collection, these pages are for those collecting postmarks: The pages are actually not 'designed' as such, rather produced by a program I've devloped. It use data from my postmark register to generate album pages for postmarks. All I need to do 'manually' is to select the starting point in the register and select distribution across the pages (at various pre-set locations) - and finally edit headers to suite. Very convenient. In the case of Canada, with very few different numeral cancels, it is not too much time saved. However lots of time saved when the program generated 200 pages for about 9000 different French numeral postmarks in a matter of minutes Time is our most scarce resource, so finding a way to make things go smoothly allows more time for stamping If anyone are collecting these Canadian numeral cancels and fancy the pages, just shout.
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 29, 2019 15:10:26 GMT
Thanks blaamand - I have actually purchased a mint 2d and 4d to see what the colors are supposed to be- angore - the paper is ivory/manilla card stock- once I put mounts and stamps on, this is how the scanner picks up the background- I was going to try adjusting color but it was late- The Merson pages once loaded have a similar background color, whereas with no stamps it was very manilla and the printed image almost umber- I did try adjusting color on these, but if I get the background correct, the stamps themselves don't look right... wierd EDITTED_Updated scans
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Nov 29, 2019 15:17:54 GMT
Interesting. I am experiencing exactly the same when I am trying to capture my pages to. I'm also using manilla/ivory paper, but it is reproduced in all sorts of shades on the images!
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Post by brightonpete on Nov 29, 2019 15:46:23 GMT
I need to get a studio set up with camera, so I can take perfect photos of stamps & pages. That will it will come out much better. Scanners can be finicky & a lot of work to adjust One of these days... But then I also need a dedicated stamp room as well! That's for another one of those days!
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 29, 2019 16:02:09 GMT
looking at my scanner settings it appears a recent VueScan update changed color balance to Tungsten - this is my normal "neutral" setting ( I will not make it a point to check settings after each update... of which they are frequent) much better
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Nov 29, 2019 16:33:08 GMT
blaamand, I am constantly amazed by how much depth you go into some countries, especially as a worldwide collector. I don’t know many Canadian collectors who go that deep into numeral cancels!
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Post by blaamand on Nov 29, 2019 17:13:53 GMT
Haha, thanks Mark madbaker. I'm probably just a bit crazy about postmarks, that's all 🙂 Identification of the postmarks are so much more straight forward and less time-consuming than trying to differentiate between all the different printings, shades and perforations of the SQs anyway, so it felt like a relief in comparison 😄
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Post by blaamand on Nov 29, 2019 18:33:37 GMT
madbaker - what I tried to say in previous post is the study of general stamps of Canada is such a much more demanding than the postmarks, in particular the SQ's. Once touching on that topic, thought I can just as well share a few samples of my SQ pages. I've made 7 pages in all to cover all the printings, the 2 pages below are dedicated for 'Early Montreal' only. Starting the pages with a single line of 6 stamps for a plain 'basic set', disregarding shade, perforation, paper etc. All the remaining are for varieties in shades, perforation or paper wove direction. My apologies for the poor resolution, makes it about impossible to see that most of these do have the typical position dot at LL corner. I know some will think the first 2c in the basic set must be from 2nd Ottawa due to the machine flag-cancel. However it has a clear position dot and the papers of Early Montreal. So it seems to be rather a late usage, as if its been sleeping in the bottom of a post-offices pile of 2c's for a few years? I like it. Anyway, the pages reveal some of my concept of making pages. I have got into a custom of starting of with a plain basic set, and then have seperate sections for different varieties, rather than mixing them all.
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Post by madbaker on Nov 29, 2019 18:56:17 GMT
This is so cool to see, Jon ( blaamand) I have a tough time with shades and paper types so I usually ignore them. I'll only compare watermarks (for other countries) if they are easy to spot. And I don't check perfs unless they are way different 11 vs 14 for example. Seeing what you've done with shades and paper types here is impressive, for sure. The shades are easy to see too. A question: Are you buying specialized collections to get this type of variety, or are you going through hundreds and hundreds of examples to find the varieties?
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Post by renden on Nov 29, 2019 19:08:52 GMT
Great pages Jon blaamand and lots of work - a 2020 project I have decided, to re-do my LQs and SQs - since I have lots of empty holes it will be fun to decide what I am going to re-do as the pages will change - I will be following Unitrade Canada Specialized 2020 (is on its way) and adding a touch with my references gathered. For the SQs I will use a special gauge made by a SQ expert in another Forum called the brian perf gauge and compare to my Unitrade gauge. I intend on keeping it "simple" due to my limited knowledge (to which I add the references) René The Marler book for your next project
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Post by blaamand on Nov 29, 2019 19:40:55 GMT
This is so cool to see, Jon ( blaamand) I have a tough time with shades and paper types so I usually ignore them. (......) A question: Are you buying specialized collections to get this type of variety, or are you going through hundreds and hundreds of examples to find the varieties? Thanks for the kind words madbaker. We are all interested in different things and I surely understand everyone is s not too eager to check minor perforation varieties. No I don't buy specialized collections, but I've bought a bunch of Canada duplicate stocks and a few general collections. Most collectors in Norway don't go deep in the SQs, so I expected to find some uncommon ones among them all that were not appreciated for what they were, which I did. Ended up with about 5-600 small Queens, and picked from them. It's quite interesting when one get a large number of stamps of the same issue, it is easy to see how the statistical variation is across different printings, perforations etc. The study and identification of the Small Queens is a good example. I only managed to find 12 stamps among those 5-600 I am confident were printed during the initial printing called 'First Ottawa', that's about 2% only! Kind of explains and justify why the catalog is so much higher for these early printings. I'm pleased you're saying the shades on the images are good. Personally I didn't know if I wanted to share the images at all because the shades is not captured or reproduced properly. The shades differences are far better and more significant in real life than what it appears on my screen, it's like the shades kind of disappear in digital presentation. Annoying. Well, enough about that, thanks Mark for looking!
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Post by blaamand on Nov 29, 2019 20:00:07 GMT
I have decided, to re-do my LQs and SQs. (....) For the SQs I will use a special gauge made by a SQ expert in another Forum called the brian perf gauge That specialized 'Small Queens' gauge is an absolutely awesome tool for doing the SQ! I have it as well, and honestly don't think I would be able to identify the minute perforation varieties without it. In particular to separate perf 11.9x11.9 on First Ottawa from later perforations at 12.1 or 12.0. But one need a good magnifier, very good light and not least lots of patience. Best of luck René, this should be work for a doctor!!! Btw, I can't remember exactly, was it the honourable Brian BeeSee that developed this specialized perforation tool?
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Post by clivel on Nov 29, 2019 20:26:44 GMT
stainlessb , I really like your Merson "Liberty and Peace" series pages, so on the assumption that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", I hope that you won't be too offended at my attempt at cloning one of your pages to see how easy it would be to produce something similar using AlbumEasy. This is the result (I only approximated your fonts, font sizes, box sizes and spacing):
The AlbumEasy command file is fairly compact, only 25 lines in total, but most of it is repeated for subsequent pages.
To start with a few parameters that affect the whole album, these commands are required only once whether the album is one or one hundred pages. Set the page size to 8 1/2 x 11 (215.9mm x 279.4mm), set a 12mm left and right margin, 15mm top and bottom margins. Add a double line border and include the "Lucida Calligraphy Italic" font ALBUM_PAGES_SIZE (215.9 279.4) ALBUM_PAGES_MARGINS (12.0 12.0 15.0 15.0) ALBUM_PAGES_BORDER (0.8 0.1 0.0 1.0) ALBUM_PAGES_SPACING (6.0 6.0) ALBUM_DEFINE_FONT (LUCIDA_CI "Lucida Calligraphy Italic" )
Next I set up the heading section of the page. This is identical for each page, so once done it can be copied and pasted for subsequent pages: PAGE_START PAGE_COLUMN_START PAGE_TEXT_CENTRE (LUCIDA_CI 26 "\nFrance" 1) PAGE_TEXT_CENTRE (HN 13 "Merson Liberty and Peace" 1) PAGE_TEXT_CENTRE (HN 15 "Definitive Series") PAGE_TEXT_CENTRE (HN 16 "1900 - 1929") PAGE_TEXT_CENTRE (HI 10 "Artwork designer - Nicolas Luc-Oliver Merson" 2) PAGE_TEXT_CENTRE (HN 9 "40 centimes to 20 francs") PAGE_COLUMN_NEXT PAGE_TEXT_CENTRE (LUCIDA_CI 26 "" 1) ROW_START_FS (HN 6 0.1 6.0) STAMP_ADD_IMG (80.0 45.0 "France-Merson-Liberty-and-Peace.png" "" "" "" NO_FRAME) PAGE_COLUMN_STOP PAGE_TEXT_CENTRE (LUCIDA_CI 26 "")
Finally we add the stamps to the page. These 6 lines of text are the only ones which are unique for each page: ROW_START_FS (HN 8 0.1 4.0) STAMP_ADD (46 30 "" "" "10 Francs 4/6/1926\nYvert # 196\nGreen & Red" "") STAMP_ADD (46 30 "" "" "10 Francs 4/6/1926\nYvert # 196a\nLight Green & Red" "") ROW_START_FS (HN 8 0.1 4.0) STAMP_ADD (46 30 "" "" "20 Francs 4/13/1926\nYvert # 208\nLilac-Pink & Green" "") STAMP_ADD (46 30 "" "" "20 Francs 4/13/1926\nYvert # 208a\nLilac-Fairy Red & Green" "")
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Post by angore on Nov 29, 2019 20:56:53 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 29, 2019 21:46:13 GMT
clivel I am glad you like them and clone away to your hearts content! angore Yes, I agree. I don't tyically even open the color window in VueScan anymore, so I strongly suspect it happened in the next to most recent update (there is another version for Mac today and I saved my presets in case they changed). looks they didn't, but I went back and selected that setting. just in case
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Nov 29, 2019 22:16:57 GMT
Agree, your page looks so much better when the manilla/ivory shade is captured. Now, what to do with my smartphone to make it manage the same(?)...my pages/images still look dull, the ivory hardly noticeable at all.
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 29, 2019 22:29:53 GMT
there must be an app for color correction?
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Nov 30, 2019 4:43:38 GMT
@clive1 Thank you for sharing the AlbumEasy commands for the French album page. I'm a fan of your program although I don't use it nearly enough. I love the way you think about laying out pages, capturing the data vs. trying to make everything look the same by eye.
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Post by angore on Nov 30, 2019 12:32:08 GMT
Unless the scanner is not working properly (exposure way off, etc), you can correct overall color issues by using the color balance feature.
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 30, 2019 12:45:01 GMT
... but I like to add copies with selvage and margin markings. Leaving out the outlines would solve many of the problems using stamps that vary.
Like you philatelia , I too like stamps and blocks of them with the selvage and margin markings intact; it is part of the printing process which has its own appeal. This set was purchased not only for the thematic image content, but for also for the printer markings and the fact that they are upper right corner blocks (my preference), was bonus!
Now creating the pages posed another issue as the full set would not fit on a single sheet without looking over crowded even with removing the outlines and shadow boxes following the design of my other pages. The solution, separate them over two pages into sets of 4, but then there was too much white space with the stamps alone and the individual blocks floated aimlessly across the page like lost penguins on an ice flow.
Alas, fellow members of The Stamp Forum to the rescue! After seeing some of the French and Canadian pages already posted with the additional text of colours, denominations, etc. that was my inspiration point and problem solved; I was able to keep with my format of frame outlines and shadowboxes :-) Thanks for the posts!
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Post by madbaker on Nov 30, 2019 17:17:23 GMT
philatelia Here's a page from one of my favourite stamp books, which appears to be on your side. Keep the selvage!
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 1, 2019 8:13:53 GMT
philatelia Here's a page from one of my favourite stamp books, which appears to be on your side. Keep the selvage! I had a read through the one page you shared madbaker , liked it and would be curious to know the title/author of the work.
For now I would argue though that the balance sought, whether of "lay-out man" for the specialised collection vs. "mathematical regularity" for the generalist there is no difference. Page layout is page layout and the underlying principals are the same for both if you want eye-appealing, attractive pages that make you or others want to look and re-visit them...
For myself, designing a new page always begins from the centre measurement and expands out from there to ensure balance. After an initial layout of the items I think I want to include on a page, I do the measurements of each item including outline, shadowboxes, etc. and determine how much space is required. Using Fibonacci or Tribonacci numbers or ratios, those number sequences found naturally in nature e.g. a flower bloom, are then be applied to ensure a balance between stamps, text and blank space as this doodle sheet of numbers shows.
This same balance is also possible with the "generalist" layout and in both cases, the mathematical regularity as found in nature is applied.
The desire to create visually appealing pages for our collections is why, for those of us that create our own pages, we do fuss over them and often have multiple reviews and editions as part of the creative process.
This may not be for everyone but, for those that do take the time to create though own pages, hopefully the effort is enjoyable and the results personally satisfying...
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Post by angore on Dec 1, 2019 10:58:38 GMT
I have an Epson V600 and mostly use VueScan software to get consistent results. The Epson software by default wants to make the image better (saturate colors, etc). I also use cream paper so Epson was changing saturation so if you get inconsistent scans try turning off any automatic fix functions. My page layout style is generally simple. I like the grid approach with every stamp in a row on the same baseline. All rows and headings are centered on page with a fixed amount of space between stamps (no spreading to fill page).
As I mock up my pages, I decided to move the country on the top page border.
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 1, 2019 16:14:17 GMT
angore I have the same scanner and also use VueScan- check after each update for settings as I'm feeling pretty certain the updates have their own default setting (that's the only way I can imagine how color balance ended up set to Tungsten... Will your scanner scan at 6400 dpi? VueScan has a option for that but either I lack the patiernce to wait or it simply doesn't "respond"
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Post by renden on Dec 1, 2019 17:01:07 GMT
angore I have the same scanner and also use VueScan- check after each update for settings as I'm feeling pretty certain the updates have their own default setting (that's the only way I can imagine how color balance ended up set to Tungsten... Will your scanner scan at 6400 dpi? VueScan has a option for that but either I lack the patiernce to wait or it simply doesn't "respond" Why scan so high, STAN - it takes a lot of time !!! René
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