theamateurphilatelist
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Post by theamateurphilatelist on Sept 24, 2019 19:08:00 GMT
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 24, 2019 19:37:53 GMT
Stamps of India Postmarked in Aden
(aka "Aden Forerunners")Manish ( theamateurphilatelist ), thanks so much for starting this thread, and welcome to the group on TSF that is collecting these forerunner stamps, which includes blaamand , barbu , tobben63 , and others.... I am just getting started myself! The images below are a couple of stamps of India postmarked in Aden that I sent to Anping back in 2017. At this point, I imagine that they have been sold in the recent auction for his collection that Londonbus1 mentioned in his posts on other threads.  Aden Sc A53, India Sc 48 postmarked in Aden on 18-Oct-1898  Aden Sc A50, India Sc 45 postmarked in Aden on 20-Nov-1891
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Post by kgvistamps on Sept 25, 2019 12:59:08 GMT
Technically speaking the Indian stamps that were overprinted for Bahrain, Burma, Kuwait, Muscat & Oman and Pakistan were actually the initial stamps issued for these countries. They were all followed up by new stamps that were created for those countries. In some cases right away and in others like Bahrain, Kuwait and Muscat & Oman they were followed with British stamps that were overprinted and finally their own issues were used.
However, stamps from India were used in various countries that were placed under the administration by the Bombay Postal Circle.
You can find the stamps by looking at the cancellation. Here is a partial list based on notes in the Stanley Gibbons Catalogue of the cancellations to look for on India stamps.
Look at the back of the India section to see more areas that used India stamps and a description of the cancels.
Aden - Postmarked 124 with various designs, various Aden cancels, and B-22 with bars - beginning in 1854. Postage stamps were issued in 1937.
Bahrain - Postmarked with various Bahrain cancels - beginning in 1884. Postage stamps were issued in 1933. Burma - Postmarked with 23 different numbers preceded by B (B156 was Rangoon) along with various city cancellations - beginning in 1854. Postage stamps were issued in 1937.
Kuwait - Postmarked with various Kuwait (spelled KOWEIT until 1923) - beginning in 1915. Postage stamps were issued in 1923. Muscat - Postmarked with 309 and other Muscat cancels - beginning in 1864. Postage stamps were issued in 1944. Pakistan - prior to India gaining their independence from Great Britain in 1947, Pakistan was part of India. The country was created in order to accommodate the religious makeup of the areas. So Indian stamps were the norm for this country, and were used for the initial issues with overprints that were applied in Nasik (as seen in the example above) or applied locally.
Please feel free to add examples of any stamps used in these and the other areas to this thread.
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Post by blaamand on Sept 25, 2019 18:38:23 GMT
Excellent topic for a thread Manish ! I am very interested in Indian stamps used abroad. By that term I am myself not including Indian stamps overprinted for other countries, as these technically are not Indian stamps anymore, but stamps dedicated for certain other countries. By the term 'Used abroad' I think of ordinary Indian stamps (not-overprinted) that were used outside mainland India. In addition to places mentioned by kgvistamps , Indian stamps were used in Singapore, Penang, Tibet, Nepal, several different ports in Iran and Iraq, Ethiopia and more. Extremely fascinating to look for and study these!!! I can share a few of my own examples later. Chris, that's some really nice Indian stamps used in Aden !!! If you miss them badly, I can send you some of my Used in Aden dups, not as nice as the ones you gave to anping tough.... |
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Post by blaamand on Sept 25, 2019 23:32:10 GMT
Here's my collection of Indian stamps used in Aden. Still in my old stockbook album setup, so it's not looking very smart. Can't wait to get them transfered to proper looking pages. Too much to do!  |
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Post by blaamand on Sept 25, 2019 23:49:59 GMT
Indian stamps were also used in British PO's in several Iranian ports. Bandar Abbas had such a post office from 1867-1923. Here's my only Indian stamp used in Bandar Abbas:  |
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Post by blaamand on Sept 25, 2019 23:57:54 GMT
Bushire also had a British PO from 1864-1923. Here's a few examples:  |
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Post by blaamand on Sept 26, 2019 0:01:07 GMT
kgvistamps - Did I say your overprinted Indian stamps are absolutely adorable?? Makes me jealous 
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Post by theamateurphilatelist on Sept 26, 2019 12:24:18 GMT
Interesting to see different classifications of India used Abroad and all of them make sense. Like mentioned above, Indian stamps overprinted were technically no longer Indian stamps. Another classification I found elsewhere is that Indian stamps used (postmarked, not overprinted) in Burma and Pakistan are also perhaps not India used Abroad since these areas were part of India at that time. So Pakistan and Burma postmarks are for regions that were later carved out as separate countries. Though I am not sure of Burma. It was part of the same British Empire but I don't think it was considered part of India (unlike Pakistan and Bangladesh).
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Post by theamateurphilatelist on Sept 26, 2019 12:25:49 GMT
Bushire also had a British PO from 1864-1923. Here's a few examples: Fantastic collection |
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Post by kgvistamps on Sept 26, 2019 16:00:44 GMT
kgvistamps - Did I say your overprinted Indian stamps are absolutely adorable?? Makes me jealous Thanks. I am in the process of posting my entire collection. Currently there are 95 countries with 676 page scans. Here is the URL if you have any British Colonies you are interested in seeing. - KGVIStamps - Links to Reference Collection Page Scans |
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Post by cjd on Sept 27, 2019 1:37:14 GMT
So, can I get a ruling on this one?
ETA: That's Rangoon GPO, by the way...
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Post by theamateurphilatelist on Sept 27, 2019 6:17:14 GMT
So, can I get a ruling on this one?
ETA: That's Rangoon GPO, by the way...
I guess it depends on how one wants to organize the collection. I would put it in India used Abroad collection. |
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Post by blaamand on Sept 28, 2019 19:15:24 GMT
Personally I consider this as a forerunner for Burma, and would keep in my Burma forerunner collection. I've actually made a complete set of pages for all Indian stamps (and varieties) that were used in Burma (=almost all Indian stamps until Burma's first separate issues). I know it's too ambitious and most of the spaces will never be filled, but at least the forerunners get organized properly.
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Post by rjan55 on Sept 28, 2019 22:55:05 GMT
My interest is in colonial Africa. I have a selected few India used in Zanzibar.
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Post by cjd on Sept 29, 2019 18:56:34 GMT
Personally I consider this as a forerunner for Burma, and would keep in my Burma forerunner collection. I've actually made a complete set of pages for all Indian stamps (and varieties) that were used in Burma (=almost all Indian stamps until Burma's first separate issues). I know it's too ambitious and most of the spaces will never be filled, but at least the forerunners get organized properly.
That is ambitious. Alas, I don't have that kind of luck. If I ran across ten examples, seven of them would be on the same 1-anna stamp and I'd be right back (almost) where I started.
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Post by blaamand on Sept 29, 2019 21:53:34 GMT
Hi cjd, Good to hear from you 😊 Yes, I know exactly what you mean. It is surprisingly difficult to find many different Indian stamps used in Burma. It doesn't bother me, same with lots of empty pages. I enjoy the hunt nevertheless, which is more exiting than most 'regular' Indian stamps one can just pick up on Delcamp or eBay anytime. |
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Post by blaamand on Sept 29, 2019 21:55:06 GMT
rjan55 - Zanzibar usage is so cool. Would love to see some of yours 😊
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Post by Ryan on Sept 30, 2019 2:42:08 GMT
It is surprisingly difficult to find many different Indian stamps used in Burma. It's surprisingly difficult to find Indian stamps with legible cancellations! I think India is probably my poorest major country ("major country" = I have lots of them) for being able to read the city name on the cancellations. Most of northern & central Europe is great, US & Canada put the city cancellation over to the side so they often don't hit the stamp, and Indian stamps are so often smudged or incomplete. Ryan |
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Post by blaamand on Sept 30, 2019 9:46:47 GMT
Agree, my experience is likewise Ryan, in particular smudged postmarks after Indian independence. From bthe early days it's quite a few well centred and legible cancellations. |
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Post by paul1 on May 15, 2023 21:04:34 GMT
I'm hoping this in the correct location - if not please shout and I'll move. thanks. 'INDIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCES - George V stamps were overprinted I.E.F. for use by Indian Forces sent overseas during 1st World War and its aftermath. First used in France in September 1914, later used in East Africa, Mesopotamia & Turkey and they apparently ceased to be valid for postage on 15th October 1921 ' .......... the foregoing courtesy of SG. I've lots of U.K. defs. over-printed in relation to military matters, but the fact that I had none with this addition surprised me - either I've been looking in the wrong place, or this overprint is less than common. This pair were found in a mid C20 album which came from a charity shop this morning. SG details are E2 - needless to say this is the least valuable in the group - if you have one missing the stop after the F, it's worth a fair amount of shekels.  |
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