rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 28, 2023 9:16:55 GMT
Railway - Postal Parcels Postmarks placed on parcels (Colis in French): it does not mean that there was a railway station at the location. It can be a re-distribution office. How you collect, is your decision entirely Make a good decision early, otherwise it is a nightmare to change 5 years down the track. Most collectors prefer personal made page, which is entirely understandable. Being a worldwide collector, my decision was to go with the mundane, (William Steiner) and personal pages where he fails. it assists me with Scott numbering, and a common format over 350 countries. With Belgium Rail I go Steiner to place every value as show in Scott, then personal pages after. My Personal pages, are just blank with spaces for Railway stamps, and I add the names in a list at the bottom I can think of no other way to collect the vastness of the discipline. (By Rail Line Number perhaps) ( The webmaster at one Bel Rail society, suggested I do that, collecting everthing was considered "bonkers")
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Post by rod222 on Nov 28, 2023 9:41:59 GMT
Forgery advice from the late (and Great! ) J.T. Carrigan (United States)
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 28, 2023 10:13:43 GMT
rod222 This card is send to an owner of a Mill, it was send to him the same day as his cargo arrived at Rinkøbin station the post was efficient then,and tell him to get the cargo the latest at the 20.01 actually the card is a 100 years old. The backside state the senders name or company, the station from which it was send: Kolding The wagon nr. 19773 Contence in Kg 6000(Corn make sence it is for a mill) and the cost to date 101 Kr. 10 øre. They ask to pick up the cargo as soon as possible that way they could make the best use of the wagon. That is why I think the No bellow at the railway stamps can have something to do with the cargo and maybe the wagon nr. or the track where the cargo can be picked up. Front:
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 28, 2023 11:04:05 GMT
I have been Looking at the Railway postmarks and I am not sure it is the clerks/postman nr in the lower part of the postmark. I think the goods might be tranferede to another sortingpost at the arrival station and transferede to another train or deliverede. Looking at the other postmarks, there is a departurer station top row a date month year or a timestamp, the bottom part is the arrival destination, what if the train depart ec. from Brussel and at the end station the train have to go to remise No 2 unload the gods, which is transferred to another train or it is the final destinations packhouse, the packet is picked up by the customer or deliverede to the final destination by other means. The train have to unload the cargo somewhere. May we have an image of the PERFIN please? Opinion. The waybill dictates the voyage of the parcel, the cancel displays the originating departure. (and presumably the furthest point in that rail line towards the destination) Transfer points are also struck, but I am unsure if new stamps are added, at transfer points, which would make sense I had to manipulet it to make it readable.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 28, 2023 11:18:21 GMT
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 28, 2023 11:30:58 GMT
rod222verry nice, well I ran out of Ideas
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Post by rod222 on Nov 28, 2023 11:31:13 GMT
Famous WAUQUEZ (sic) stores, Brussels. To me, this is very interesting, it suggests the Waucquez store had their own despatch waybills and stamps They probably bundled all their catalogue purchases, with accompanying waybills to the nearest station for receipt and cancellation.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 28, 2023 11:33:56 GMT
rod222 verry nice, well I ran out of Ideas You are not proven wrong yet Never be afraid to post ideas, it helps to encourage the chase to the truth. Keep it up.
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 28, 2023 11:46:10 GMT
Verry nice lot. well I looked at the one Emille Putmans timbres de bureau a arrive The postmark I think I like Lot 211 8.50£ you have departure postmark nice, and the arrival postmark verry nice, do you think they can be devide into departure postmarks, arrival potsmarks or is it a long shoot way outside the target :-)
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Post by rod222 on Nov 28, 2023 12:03:20 GMT
Absolutely....(On piece only) If soaked the stamps lose their concordance For those who like to dig deeper, the WAUQEZ (Cloth Merchant) perfin information
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 28, 2023 13:05:09 GMT
Does anyone know the story behind the cancellations? In some instances the rail line is indicated in the lower bar, in others there are two.... what i would almost describe as the isignia from WWI and WWII Germain Luftwaffe, and still others are blank The Cross, I think it could mean a Railway crossing or an endstation where you shift ti another train going in another direction, pure quess.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Nov 28, 2023 18:09:43 GMT
A very interesting topic, thanks to all who have added information and asked questions.
I have tidied up some of the posts which I (and maybe others) found a little confusing. Mis-quotes etc. When answering to the previous post, unless it is absolutely necessary, quotes are not needed. If anyone has a problem putting a reply outside of the quote box, just holler and help will be provided.
In the meantime, I hope we will see some more examples from the Belgian Railways in the coming days ! Thanks all.
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(will edit this post once it has been read !!)
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Post by renden on Nov 28, 2023 18:15:25 GMT
Londonbus1Thanks for the post Now how to reply outside the quote box,.....that happened to me only 3 times since I joined in 2018 LOL !! René p.s.very frustrating
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 28, 2023 18:29:46 GMT
Londonbus1 Thanks for the post Now how to reply outside the quote box,.....that happened to me only 3 times since I joined in 2018 LOL !! René p.s.very frustrating to escape the quote box, click on the BBCode button, At the end of the quote you should now see [/quote] place your cursor after this and then click on Preview. You should then find you have escaped!
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 28, 2023 23:09:04 GMT
Does anyone know the story behind the cancellations? In some instances the rail line is indicated in the lower bar, in others there are two.... what i would almost describe as the isignia from WWI and WWII Germain Luftwaffe, and still others are blank The Cross, I think it could mean a Railway crossing or an endstation where you shift ti another train going in another direction, pure quess. The "cross" is a device used across, all postmarks, across all countries, in general used as a device to provide endurance to parts of the cancelling hammers. (wear) They can be crosses, stars, "arcs" flowers, or whatever.
I use the collective noun as "Fleurons"
Types are decided by the cancelling hammer producers. Response I made in 2020 "Horticultural dingbats" "glyphs" "printers flowers"Great Britain : Fleurons that had meanings
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 29, 2023 10:17:46 GMT
The Cross, I think it could mean a Railway crossing or an endstation where you shift ti another train going in another direction, pure quess. The "cross" is a device used across, all postmarks, across all countries, in general used as a device to provide endurance to parts of the cancelling hammers. (wear) They can be crosses, stars, "arcs" flowers, or whatever.
I use the collective noun as "Fleurons"
Types are decided by the cancelling hammer producers. Response I made in 2020 "Horticultural dingbats" "glyphs" "printers flowers"Great Britain : Fleurons that had meanings
@rod222, yes, postmarks do have different marking, this is a train postmark used at railway stamps not a postmark for mail, in Denmark we had cirkular train postmark. ec. Frederica_Flensburg, Fredericia will be in the top of the stamp, then a bar with the date and a T for train and then there will be a train nbr after the T. ec. 970, 942 all south bound trains had an even nr. and north bound an uneven nbr. and then the destination in the buttom of the cirkular stamp followed by a nbr ec 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 there was 6 south bound trains during a 24 hours periode and 4 North bound. the last train south will be nbr 6. The mail was sorted in the trains enroute in Bureauwagons with 5-6 employes.
To me markings at stamps therefore means something, the cross at the Railways stamp can be an Arrival stamp, end of tour, the other stamps with a Name in the top row is departing station, then a time stamp, then a destination in the last row. What the No ec indicate I do not know. Hopefulle there will be a collector somewher with the answer. I'm just make a guess
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 29, 2023 10:35:10 GMT
rod222Here is an eksample of one of the many Fredericia-Flensborg Train postmark, Fredericia station is a Central Main station. Fredericia Flensburg
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