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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 23, 2013 2:49:21 GMT
In trying to clarify for my self all the issues that were released in this area of Africa, I recently submitted a small exhibition on it. Here is a copy for your pleasure (I hope) It was titled "From Cape to Cairo"  |
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 23, 2013 2:49:50 GMT
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 23, 2013 2:50:16 GMT
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 23, 2013 2:50:46 GMT
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 23, 2013 2:51:15 GMT
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 23, 2013 2:51:37 GMT
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 23, 2013 2:52:04 GMT
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Post by roos on Jul 23, 2013 2:53:49 GMT
A stunning display Perf14. Well Done!  Roos |
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Post by perfs12 on Jul 23, 2013 5:33:21 GMT
Lovely lot. Rhodesia is a fascinating field of study.  |
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 3, 2013 7:24:40 GMT
 Rhodesia 1919 Head Die III 2d black & grey-black What a shame it isn't in a pair! |
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Post by Perfs14 on Aug 3, 2013 9:22:18 GMT
Thank you Roos and Perfs12.
Yes Perfs12, the Admiral would be worth x250 with a twin attached, not just x2!
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 3, 2013 9:32:32 GMT
Thank you Roos and Perfs12. Yes Perfs12, the Admiral would be worth x250 with a twin attached, not just x2! Only x2?  |
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 3, 2013 9:37:42 GMT
 Rhodesia 1897 1d blue postcard |
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Post by xmember on Aug 14, 2015 21:29:05 GMT
Hi Perfs14...Thanks for sharing your great work on the history. Now, I have to do my research on the stamps to see how rare they are to obtain.
Regards,
Rudy
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Post by Londonbus1 on Nov 8, 2018 21:59:10 GMT
Waterlow issue of 1898-1908 overprinted in 1909-12, 'Rhodesia'. Perf 13½ to 15.  |
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Post by clivel on Nov 10, 2018 17:03:46 GMT
Waterlow issue of 1898-1908 overprinted in 1909-12, 'Rhodesia'. Perf 13½ to 15. Inverted overprints can be found on three of the denominations, namely the 3d, 4d, and 2/6d (the 2/6 previously posted by perfs12 earlier in this thread).  As these are only catalogued used, it is likely that they were all CTO. Clive |
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Post by pilot on Apr 20, 2020 23:26:03 GMT
THE BI-COLOURED STAMPS OF THE 1913 "ADMIRAL" ISSUE Issued 20. 8.17 SG 276 Die III perf 14 The King's shaded left ear now has a clear outline. There is a strong and complete line around the cap. However, the shank of the anchor is now broken. The center of the King's moustache and beard on his chin often appear whiter. The engraved background lines touch the King's left shoulder.  |
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Post by pilot on Apr 21, 2020 0:59:26 GMT
THE BI-COLOURED STAMPS OF THE 1913 "ADMIRAL" ISSUE Issued 20. 8.17 SG 279 Die III perf 14 £1 black and deep purple  |
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Post by blaamand on Apr 21, 2020 15:12:50 GMT
pilot - Wow, that's some really nice looking stamps!! Great scans to. Thanks for the tutorial on Die III, excellent stuff. Makes me hope to see similar for Die I and II... 
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Post by clivel on Dec 15, 2021 19:36:52 GMT
Issues for the British South Africa Company Territory 1896-1897
The following stamps display the Arms of the British South Africa Company. These larger than typical for the time stamps were printed by recess on wove paper, the numerals were printed by typography. The two sets have slight differences and are often misidentified by sellers. The 1896 varieties are all perforated 14. The 1897 varieties are perforated 13.5 x 16. The 1896 varieties show the ends of the scrolls behind the Springboks legs. The 1897 varieties show the ends of the scrolls between the Springboks legs.
Rob
Rob,
Thanks for your informative posting.
I just want to add that two different dies were used for the 1896 printings. Illustrated below is an example of each of the 2d denomination - 1896 Die I and Die II, and the 1897 with the scrolls ending between the legs.
Die I is usually identified by a minute dot to the right of the tail of the right-hand springbok (indicated by the red arrow), but instead, one can easily differentiate at a glance by the shading of the body of the lion and buck which is much lighter on the Die I printing.
Also, there are two distinct colour varieties of both the 1896 2d and 4d values for both Dies.
Here are the four Die I shades:
brown & mauve (sg 30) yellow-brown & mauve (sg 30a) ultramarine & mauve (sg 32) blue & mauve (sg 32b)
I have had no problem acquiring the shades of the four stamps in both dies, however, despite regularly coming across used copies of the 4d ultramarine & mauve die II (sg 44), and despite years of searching, I have been unable to find a mint copy of this stamp. Clive |
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Post by REL1948 on Dec 15, 2021 22:31:09 GMT
Issues for the British South Africa Company Territory 1896-1897
Rob,
Thanks for your informative posting.
I just want to add that two different dies were used for the 1896 printings. Illustrated below is an example of each of the 2d denomination - 1896 Die I and Die II, and the 1897 with the scrolls ending between the legs.
Die I is usually identified by a minute dot to the right of the tail of the right-hand springbok (indicated by the red arrow), but instead, one can easily differentiate at a glance by the shading of the body of the lion and buck which is much lighter on the Die I printing.
Also, there are two distinct colour varieties of both the 1896 2d and 4d values for both Dies.
Here are the four Die I shades:
brown & mauve (sg 30) yellow-brown & mauve (sg 30a) ultramarine & mauve (sg 32) blue & mauve (sg 32b)
I have had no problem acquiring the shades of the four stamps in both dies, however, despite regularly coming across used copies of the 4d ultramarine & mauve die II (sg 44), and despite years of searching, I have been unable to find a mint copy of this stamp.
Clive
Thank you so much for this wonderful information. I've read about the dies in the SG catalogues but it doesn't come close to seeing the real thing. I mean it when I say how much I appreciate your post. I've had the majority of these for decades but tightened up the loose ends just this past year.
I love all of the BSAC stamps displaying the coats of arms and Admirals but I am not fond of the Double Heads issues. I couldn't imagine spending the time and money on that design when at the end I was scared to look at them. In my humblest opinion the Royal Lady was not served well by that engraving... However, the Admiral has always looked good on stamps (except for the unfortunate Downey heads).
Please share anything you have in this regard, I'm an eager student.
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Post by michael on Dec 16, 2021 9:11:48 GMT
Another difference between the 1896 Perkins Bacon printings and the 1897 Waterlow printings is that there is a border around all the stamps on the 1896 issue.
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Post by REL1948 on Dec 16, 2021 15:35:49 GMT
Another difference between the 1896 Perkins Bacon printings and the 1897 Waterlow printings is that there is a border around all the stamps on the 1896 issue.
Really interesting michael. Thank you for sharing. I didn't know that. I'm only familiar with singles from this issue I've never seen multiples or sheets of these stamps before. Does that band run continuously around the entire sheet? Is the color the same as that of the denomination each time or is it always blue? Rob |
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Post by michael on Dec 16, 2021 16:17:34 GMT
Another difference between the 1896 Perkins Bacon printings and the 1897 Waterlow printings is that there is a border around all the stamps on the 1896 issue.
RobYes, the band runs continuously around the sheet of 60 stamps and is the colour of the denomination. |
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Post by clivel on Dec 16, 2021 18:42:53 GMT
Another difference between the 1896 Perkins Bacon printings and the 1897 Waterlow printings is that there is a border around all the stamps on the 1896 issue.
Michael, Thanks for posting that lovely block. Those are known as Jubilee Lines and were common on many British Commonwealth stamps of the era. I was not aware that they are on the 1896 issues but not the 1897 so that is useful to know.
As far as I know, but am open to correction, Jubilee Lines were intended to extend the life of the printing plates. The idea being that the lines would absorb the initial impact of the ink rollers when they hit the plate.
Clive
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Post by michael on Dec 17, 2021 13:32:50 GMT
The reason for the change of manufacturer is that the authorities in The British South Africa Company weren't happy with the service they were getting from Perkins Bacon and asked them to return all the dies and plates etc. The original quote was for 'Contribution to cost of die' so they replied that they could only return them if defaced. Waterlow therefore had to produce a new die and plate. I would love to know why they changed the positioning of the scroll. From De Worm's, 'Perkins Bacon Records':  |
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Post by sudbury12000 on May 25, 2023 13:05:11 GMT
I came across this item when going through my Southern Africa stamps. Has anyone else noticed this different overprint? I do not see it in any of the standard catalogues, so I assume it is a poorly overprinted example. Still interesting to these old eyes. Standard overprint on the right for reference.  |
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Post by paul1 on May 25, 2023 14:12:31 GMT
There are a few similar 1909 - 12 'Rhodesia' overprints like this in posts from londonbus1 and clive1, including inverted examples, in earlier posts in this thread. My eyes are old too, and I've recently had cataract surgery so I could be talking a load of rubbish, but ............... IMHO, the majority of overprints look to have decidedly squarish serifs, so I assumed those would be the standard appearance. The right hand example on yours sudbury12000 looks to show serifs with some degree of curve, and the top serif, on the A in particular plus the foot of the R - or is it my imagination? Unfortunately, chunky overprints can suffer the fate of excessive ink and unpredictable pressure. I've added a few of mine - plus couple of blow ups, but think now I'm even more confused.    |
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Post by paul1 on May 25, 2023 20:44:50 GMT
staying with the British South Africa Company - this one has seen vastly better days but still of much interest - it looks to be the £5 sage green from the 1892 - 93 printing, reference SG 12, and like others of this early period the word Rhodesia is absent. Perfins not my scene really, but like most of us I've seen vast numbers in the past and experience suggests that the holes in the vast majority indicate the initial letters of the name of various commercial companies, though obviously not with this one. The earliest use of the word 'RHODESIA' - as an overprint - looks to be 1909, with the word forming part of the printing proper appearing first in 1910. The figures perforated here show 4 4 05 in a vertical column, so am assuming the stamp was used c. 4th April 1905 - obviously correct me if that's wide of the mark. The new country created out of the old Mashonaland became Rhodesia in the early 1890s, reflecting the popularity of Cecil Rhodes with the settlers, certainly not the Matabele - it's a coincidence, and nothing more than coincidence, that Rhodes wished-for 'red line' from Cairo (Egypt) to the cape Colony is also an area much of which anthropologists refer to as the Great Rift Valley, the origin, possibly, of Homonins (bipedals) - unless of course you are a creationist. Credit for much of the above information goes to Perfs14 whose post, way back in 2013, is very helpful for understanding much of the history of the area of East Africa, that became Rhodesia, in the late C19 - it should be compulsory reading.   |
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