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Post by spain1850 on Jun 14, 2020 15:57:56 GMT
Interesting observation between a couple #1's:
GB Penny Black 1840, printed qty - 68,158,080 - Stampworld value - $225
GB 2p Blue 1840, printed qty - 6,462,960 - Stampworld value - $337
Spain 6c Black 1850, printed qty - 6,226,727 - Stampworld value - $11
This is a very stark example of how popularity affects value, over scarcity. The GB #1 had more than 10x the qty printed than the Spain #1, yet the relative values show that the GB #1 is valued at MORE than 20x that of Spain.
The GB #2, which was a lot closer to the printed qty as that of Spain #1, even slightly more, is valued 30x higher.
Not trying to say anything about GB #1, as it's still the classic of classics IMHO, just an observation. And yes I know using Stampworld as a value measuring stick is not accurate, I just used it for relativity.
I can't help but wonder, if the number of collectors suddenly decided to collect Spain #1, as hotly as GB #1, would the relative value rise to that of GB #1, or even GB #2?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 14, 2020 16:05:30 GMT
Barbuda, 13th July 1922Sc 1 and SG 1, 1/2-penny dark green KGV definitive stamp from Leeward Islands, overprinted 
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 14, 2020 16:29:11 GMT
Interesting observation between a couple #1's: GB Penny Black 1840, printed qty - 68,158,080 - Stampworld value - $225 GB 2p Blue 1840, printed qty - 6,462,960 - Stampworld value - $337 Spain 6c Black 1850, printed qty - 6,226,727 - Stampworld value - $11 This is a very stark example of how popularity affects value, over scarcity. The GB #1 had more than 10x the qty printed than the Spain #1, yet the relative values show that the GB #1 is valued at MORE than 20x that of Spain. The GB #2, which was a lot closer to the printed qty as that of Spain #1, even slightly more, is valued 30x higher. Not trying to say anything about GB #1, as it's still the classic of classics IMHO, just an observation. And yes I know using Stampworld as a value measuring stick is not accurate, I just used it for relativity. I can't help but wonder, if the number of collectors suddenly decided to collect Spain #1, as hotly as GB #1, would the relative value rise to that of GB #1, or even GB #2? Yes even a damaged penny black has a market price out of proportion to its worth. I have sold a mutilated penny black for £40 which if it had been a penny red in the same condition I would have destroyed and chucked away . I also have these THREE nice Isabella 6 Quarto on sale on ebay with no takers at $18 !  If they were Penny Blacks they would Fly at that price. |
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Post by oldpapercollect on Jun 14, 2020 16:46:21 GMT
For those who might be interested, I've inserted a video of the APS Stamp Chat presented on May 5, 2020 by Kurt Streepy from the First Issues Collectors Club. The club was founded in 1990 and became an APS Affiliate Member (#232) in 1997. The presentation is titled "Collecting First Issues of the World" and it runs slightly over 44 minutes.
Very Informative. After watching video I went to my Stamp collection and looked at those albums with renewed appreciation. |
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Post by sherro on Aug 12, 2020 12:32:02 GMT
French Southern and Antarctic Territories #1 on cover  |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Sept 23, 2020 20:37:27 GMT
So among the flags-on-stamps received today, I noted Indonesia YT#1, issued in 1950, so time to revive this thread!  |
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Post by renden on Sept 23, 2020 22:02:12 GMT
hrdoktorx - Xavier, A revival would be nice.....after looking at 9 pages of # 1s   René
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Post by gatodiablo on Oct 7, 2020 1:13:55 GMT
Nicaragua Scott No. 1Not in the best condition, but since it is not yet represented, here it is. 
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Oct 7, 2020 3:17:17 GMT
Interesting observation between a couple #1's: GB Penny Black 1840, printed qty - 68,158,080 - Stampworld value - $225 GB 2p Blue 1840, printed qty - 6,462,960 - Stampworld value - $337 Spain 6c Black 1850, printed qty - 6,226,727 - Stampworld value - $11 This is a very stark example of how popularity affects value, over scarcity. The GB #1 had more than 10x the qty printed than the Spain #1, yet the relative values show that the GB #1 is valued at MORE than 20x that of Spain. The GB #2, which was a lot closer to the printed qty as that of Spain #1, even slightly more, is valued 30x higher. Not trying to say anything about GB #1, as it's still the classic of classics IMHO, just an observation. And yes I know using Stampworld as a value measuring stick is not accurate, I just used it for relativity. I can't help but wonder, if the number of collectors suddenly decided to collect Spain #1, as hotly as GB #1, would the relative value rise to that of GB #1, or even GB #2? Hope it's ok to quote an old post? Just wanted to say that's a great comparison you did spain1850 . It's so true - the demand set the price and not the scarcity. The penny black is probably at top of the league for having a retail price "out of scale", whilst many other 'number ones' that were printed in far less numbers are still valued below.  Norway #1 - Coat of Arms 1855. Norways #1 is another example of the same: GB Penny Black 1840 - printed qty 68,158,080 - Stampworld value $225 Norway Coat of Arms 1855 - printed qty 2,018,200 - Stampworld value $125 GB #1 had 34x the qty printed yet the value is about double - doesn't make sense  |
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Post by gatodiablo on Oct 28, 2020 17:34:56 GMT
El Salvador Scott No. 1  |
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Post by chrischross on Oct 28, 2020 21:17:27 GMT
Senegal, 1888, Number 1, Type III:  The typeface of the "5" overprint determines the type. I had purchased this some years ago, and the auctioneer had identified this as SN #2, so I was pleasantly surprised when taking a new look at my collection recently to discover ownership of a Number 1. |
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Post by brightonpete on Nov 7, 2020 19:22:44 GMT
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Post by dgwhite87 on Jan 18, 2021 3:43:22 GMT
I recently joined the first issue collectors club and am so happy I found this eye candy thread. Here's my Brazil first issues (90 reis is on its way)  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 21, 2021 23:25:07 GMT
Cape of Good Hope #1, 1853, snipped out from a photo of my DIY album page  First of all, I want to thank Jon for graciously agreeing that it would be OK for me to make this post. Back when he made his post last April, I wasn't yet far enough along in my study of the Cape triangles to make an identification of his 1-penny triangle, pictured in the quote above. Knowing what I do now, and having the stamps in my own collection to use as references, I can state with a high degree of certainty that Jon's stamp is an SG18, 1-Penny Deep Carmine Red issued in 1863-1864. It is still a very good and high CV stamp, but it isn't a #1. I will make a further post in the COGH thread to explain the reasoning underlying my identification this weekend.
Cape of Good Hope, 1st September 1853To keep this thread intact, please find below examples of both the Stanley Gibbons and Scott Catalogue number ones from Cape of Good Hope. The SG1 on deeply blued paper was a recent acquisition, so now I can finally post both brick red color varieties and paper bluing varieties scanned side-by-side for comparison.  Left: COGH, SG1 (Sc1a), 1-Penny Pale Brick Red on Deeply Blued Paper Right: COGH, Sc1 (SG3), 1-Penny Brick Red on Bluish Paper (SG: Slightly Blued Paper) |
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Post by gmot on Jan 22, 2021 4:10:59 GMT
Here's an interesting use of the #1 from the Portuguese colony Funchal - issued in 1892 - bisect used as a newspaper stamp - on a German newspaper, curiously.  |
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Post by marki on Feb 17, 2021 13:20:30 GMT
coming back to the Bulgarian occupation of Romania #YT No. 1 from 1917 - I have the identically designed stamp but with red overprint running across the stamp, and showing different words, and the dates read 1912 - 1913 - as per attached. Might this be Bulgarian occupation of somewhere other than Romania does anyone know. Apologies for the poor picture quality - late in the evening and I was balancing the stamp on my knees for the photo shoot. P.S. will some kind soul suggest what it is that I need to press to get replies - for anything - sent automatically to my own email system, so I can click and get straight back to the thread - thanks in advance   This one is rather peculiar case. It's a overprint of the existing 1911 commemorative issue released on the occasion of the Bulgaria's king, Ferdinand's 50th birthday. The text reads as 'Liberation War', as the First Balkan War (1912 - 1913) was known in Bulgaria. Thing is, the set was commissioned on 28 May 1913, two days before the Treaty of London, which ended the war, was signed. Less than a month later, Bulgaria started another war, The Second Balkan War, against its former allies. It ended on 10 August with Bulgaria conceding territories to Romania, Greece and Serbia. it was only then (on 19 August, to be precise) that our poor set was put into circulation. |
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Post by marki on Feb 17, 2021 13:59:01 GMT
Bulgaria, Mi N1
The set of five was commissioned on 21 September 1878 and put into circulation on 1 May 1879.
The stamps were designed by Franz-Michael Kepler, chief engraver of Saint Peterborough's Экспедиция Заготовления Государственных Бумаг (Expedition of Storing State Papers), which is also credited with printing the set:
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Post by dgwhite87 on Feb 18, 2021 0:25:04 GMT
Finished my Thule page for #1 collection  |
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Post by madbaker on Feb 18, 2021 4:27:40 GMT
That's a nice set, dgwhite87. I love the hand drawn look to them. I've had a few sets in my hands over the years but never got the cash out of my wallet. Next time. |
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Post by cara on Feb 18, 2021 16:29:29 GMT
German Democratic Republic (GDR) Michel #242 GDR Founded October 7th 1949 First stamp October 9th 1949 - 75 Jahre Weltpostverein - 75 years Universal Postal Union (UPU)  #242 because Michel starts the numbering with soviet occupation zone (#1 Berlin Bear August 1945), but #242 was the first stamp of GDR |
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Post by Ryan on Feb 18, 2021 23:25:12 GMT
#242 because Michel starts the numbering with soviet occupation zone (#1 Berlin Bear August 1945), but #242 was the first stamp of GDR The Scott catalogue also gives it a different number - it's number 48 there, with the first 47 numbers listed under Soviet occupation / all provinces in the Russian zone. Stanley Gibbons gives all East German stamps an "E" prefix, and in their catalogue it's numbered E1. But if anybody else has an old Lipsia DDR catalogue, you'll find it listed there as a true number 1! This is the edition I have - image nabbed from an eBay seller.  Ryan |
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Post by angore on Mar 21, 2021 19:34:55 GMT
Fujeira 1NP Sheik Hamad bin Mohammed al Sharqi 1964 Perf around 14.2 (Michel lists a 13½ variety as No. 40) Scott No. 1 Michel No. 1 This issue is likely more available as CTO than not.  |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Sept 25, 2021 22:07:42 GMT
German Occupation of Guernsey, issued in 1941, here as an on-piece pair:  |
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 17, 2021 20:39:33 GMT
Don’t believe this No 1 has appeared before A later Cape of Good Hope, but listed in Gibbons as No 1 of Mafeking  |
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Post by smauggie on Oct 18, 2021 4:46:33 GMT
Union of South Africa #1 One of the more handsome stamps out there.  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 18, 2021 6:07:41 GMT
Pathet Lao, YT #1, from 1974:  |
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Post by salentin on Oct 18, 2021 13:47:17 GMT
Quite interesting: Michel lists the stamp from 1974 as no.9 !
On Aug.9th,1961 eight Pathet-Lao stamps were issued:
The lower one is Michel no.1 (2,5,15 Kip of the same design complete the set)
The upper one is listed at no.5 (5,10,20 Kip of the same design complete the set)
Perhaps Yvert lists the 1961 and the 1974/75 issues seperately.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 18, 2021 16:19:52 GMT
Indeed, the first 8 Scott issues are listed in Yvert&Tellier as "Neutralist Government issues". Thanks for showing them since I forgot to do so.
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Post by angore on Oct 19, 2021 10:21:10 GMT
I do not see any of the above issues in Scott.
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Post by smauggie on Oct 19, 2021 23:04:10 GMT
Iraq #1 (according to Scott)  |
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