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Post by sarah on Jan 6, 2021 13:52:33 GMT
What I find sad is that I bought these all off Ebay. Being sentimental I couldnt sell something like this that belonged to my family
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Post by sarah on Jan 6, 2021 13:59:21 GMT
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Post by sarah on Jan 6, 2021 14:02:06 GMT
This is a letter I received I offered HM Queen as a gift the actual number 1 smiler sheet of her which is the rarest stamp and I believe should be in her collection. Unfortunately my offer was rejected as they no longer accept gifts of financial value.
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tregeor
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Post by tregeor on Jan 6, 2021 16:49:55 GMT
Fascinating documents, thanks so much for sharing. You've given me a lot of food for thought for ways of broadening the scope of my own collection!
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kasvik
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Post by kasvik on Jan 6, 2021 17:25:39 GMT
What I find sad is that I bought these all off Ebay. Being sentimental I couldnt sell something like this that belonged to my family I know, it's an ambivolent feeling. I've found personal things there, too. It's a distasteful--paying for what ought to be yours anyway--but I'm reunited. Maybe I don't have a kiss and hug for the seller, but I'm appreciative.
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Post by sarah on Jan 6, 2021 20:28:24 GMT
I have tried to keep to HM Queen but have found some really interesting information on the 1937 coronation stamp of King George V1 and Queen Elizabeth and how it came about which I thought I would share. In January 1937 Dorothy Wilding was commissioned to take the pictures of the new Queen Elizabeth (Queen Mother) When Dorothy Wilding turned up at Buckingham Palace the Queen Mother asked her to come to her room to chose the dress she would wear for the photographs. They chose the now iconic cream and ivory dress. The photographs were only supposed to be of the Queen Mother but whilst the photographs were being taken the King turned up. Dorothy Wilding (against protocol) asked the King to join the Queen for a joint picture. It was using the faces from this joint picture that Dorothy Wilding enlarged and the pictures were chosen for the coronation stamp. She was given the Royal warrant (first female) and took the main coronation photographs.
I have been very lucky though hard work and research to find an original coloured portrait of the King and Queen signed by Dorothy Wilding from the January 1937 session.
What is interesting that Dorothy Wilding took the first official coronation pictures of King George V1 and the Queen and then again for Queen Elizabeth 11 1953 coronation. That is some achievement by a female photographer. Dorothy Wilding story is incredible and been so interesting to read and research.
I now have official photographs from both coronations in my collection and I am so thrilled.
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Post by sarah on Jan 6, 2021 20:39:43 GMT
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polarbear
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Post by polarbear on Jan 6, 2021 22:17:37 GMT
This is fascinating sarah! I’ve read it from beginning to end. I think looking at stamps through the lens of the artist/photographer is an excellent way to research stamps! And the fact you found found most of your items for a song on eBay makes it all the more intriguing. Great researching! I’m looking forward to seeing more!
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Post by Ryan on Jan 7, 2021 3:26:15 GMT
New year, new start so thought I would start to post again some bits that I hope you will find interesting It's great that your posts have begun again! Often when older threads that I've been interested in are resurrected, I'll look through the entire thread again. I've noticed that a handful of your previous images in this thread have broken - for example, this post on page 3 (the first image link is broken, for me at least). If you have a moment, you might take a look through your posts and see if you can recall which images have been lost. Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jan 7, 2021 3:34:09 GMT
And with that, I figured I'd make more than a comment and would add some content. Here's a favourite picture of mine - I've never seen a happier-looking QEII! This is a New Zealand maxi-card from her inauguration but I expect the image exists on other products as well. Ryan
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Post by tregeor on Jan 7, 2021 10:31:28 GMT
Not seen that before, she does look really happy doesn't she? Perhaps the photographer told her a particularly funny joke!
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 12:44:21 GMT
New year, new start so thought I would start to post again some bits that I hope you will find interesting It's great that your posts have begun again! Often when older threads that I've been interested in are resurrected, I'll look through the entire thread again. I've noticed that a handful of your previous images in this thread have broken - for example, this post on page 3 (the first image link is broken, for me at least). If you have a moment, you might take a look through your posts and see if you can recall which images have been lost. Ryan I will go back through the post and see if I can sort the broken threads. I will look to see if I can remember. Glad that you are liking the posts starting again. I have missed doing them to be honest. I have so much I haven't even shared yet. It gives me a chance to go through my collection and remember how far I have come with it. Sometimes when I get down. I am hard on myself that my collection is not good enough. I am competing against no one. My collection is completely personal to me but I still can feel that I fail at even doing a hobby! Unfortunately, depression can have that affect. I am lucky that the majority of the time collecting and researching can be such effective way of switching off but sometimes the depression can be so hard that it can affect even something i really enjoy.
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 12:57:43 GMT
For the next post I will go all the way back to 1926 when Princess Elizabeth was born.
In 2006 St Vincent and the Grenadines did an amazing set of 8 stamp sheets for HM Queen Elizabeth 11. I have original pictures and information for all the stamp sheets (even though I dont own all stamp sheets as yet) I will do the first as the Christening of the then Princess Elizabeth. Some of the photographs and pictures I am about to show are actual originals that I have matched up with diffferent stamps and postcards.
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 13:04:50 GMT
This is the 80th Birthday St Vincent Christening sheet
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 13:16:35 GMT
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 13:25:45 GMT
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 9, 2021 14:40:29 GMT
Hmmm, Unitrade attributes the designer to a "Steven Slipp."
Who is "Ian Leslie Macdonald?"
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 9, 2021 16:55:12 GMT
Here is another stamp of QEII, celebrating New Zealand Day way back in 1974. I don't know why I bought two, but there they are. I had just decided to mount what few New Zealand stamps I have. The bulk of my NZ collection was sold ages ago. I wish I had kept it! They have been languishing in a stock book since I bought them when they were first issued by the NZ Post Office.
If you want one, sarah, let me know. I'll send it over to you.
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 21:49:38 GMT
Hmmm, Unitrade attributes the designer to a "Steven Slipp." Who is "Ian Leslie Macdonald?" He took the photograph on the back of the first day cover.
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 21:51:34 GMT
Here is another stamp of QEII, celebrating New Zealand Day way back in 1974. I don't know why I bought two, but there they are. I had just decided to mount what few New Zealand stamps I have. The bulk of my NZ collection was sold ages ago. I wish I had kept it! They have been languishing in a stock book since I bought them when they were first issued by the NZ Post Office.
If you want one, sarah, let me know. I'll send it over to you. Thank you. I havent got that stamp. That would be amazing as I was actually born in 1974 (given my age away!)
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 22:15:21 GMT
I would like to share with you a very special picture. I would ask if it is not shared from this group. There are many examples on the internet but this is my own private copy just for my collection but thought as stamp collectors you may be interested to see.
I contacted the family as I had seen people were selling photographs on eBay that shouldn't have been sold of the original photoshoot that took place with John Hedgecoe and the Queen that led to the formation of the Machin Stamp. Fortunately I was able to buy them all and they are now with the proper licensing authority. The ones from eBay are in my collection.
I dont know how many of you are Machin stamp collectors. He was an incredible sculptor and he made the final sculpture that John Hedgecoe photographed for the stamp. If is just very unfortunate John Hedgecoe never got the recognition as the person taking the original photographs and the final photograph of the sculpture and all the praise went onto Arnold Machin and the name of the stamp.
In 1977 Arnold Machin produced a limited edition of the sculpture of 1000. I was able to find one and can show you. It really is incredible There is one difference between the original stamp sculpture and the 1977 one. Wondering if any of you can see the subtle difference.
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 22:23:41 GMT
Machin stamp original photograph of the sculpture
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Post by sarah on Jan 9, 2021 22:58:17 GMT
Next picture is the 1977 Machin sculpture. This is my picture. Its on Adobe photoshop as I have started to put on Adobe but just struggling with system and item too large to get out of storage again to photograph. Love research just still hate technology but know I need to start to digitally record my collection. Showing my items on this site has made me get some of the pictures out that I haven't seen for a long time and start taking hopefully decent photographs.
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Post by sarah on Feb 2, 2021 14:29:59 GMT
I was reading the newsletter last night. So interesting. Some information goes slightly over my head but I am learning to realise that doesn't matter. I may not know the intricacies of all the stamp markings/perforations but that is ok. I hope this thread helps others to realise the same. Stamp collecting comes in all forms. My stamp collection is based on my art collection. I enjoy it and that is the main thing. One of the articles stood out for me was the rarity/scarcity scenario. As a none stamp collector I had heard of the inverted Jenny stamp and how "rare" and "valuable" it is. This happens in the world of coin collecting as well. I also dabble with coin collecting as part of my Queen art collection. I have learnt "rare" and "valuable" with collecting go hand in hand with publicity from newspapers and articles. A rare item is only as valuable as the hype to own that particular item and has nothing to do with scarcity. Sometimes trying to find a rare item needs an innovative way of looking. Londonbus1 will vouch for this as I was able to find him the coveted Penrose Album 1954. I haven't been a stamp collector for long and not in the true sense. However, I was able to find Two Penrose 1954 albums that people have spent years searching for by looking in a different way. To add insult to injury to many serious collectors I was able to buy both books for £20 each and yes they do contain the black and white coronation stamps! This is not a gloat post, this is to say sometimes looking at things in a different way can bring up the most unexpected. Something that I was able to do this week thanks to my love of collecting Queen memorabilia is to reunite a daughter with a long lost item that her father made in 1953. It slightly goes of the stamp collecting theme but is something I would like to share. During research I was able to find a special 1953 coronation scarf. I then came across an article in a newspaper about a lady whose father had made the scarf using gold leaf. In the article she showed a picture of her father making the scarf. I contacted the lady and asked if I could buy a print of the photograph which she kindly allowed me to do. The scarf in question in incredibly rare as was made in a very small quantity. People have spent 20 plus years looking for the scarf including the daughter. The scarf is so rare and valuable that a scarf was given to both the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret at the time of the coronation. I am pleased to say that I have been lucky and have managed to find 2 scarfs. I have been able to give one of the scarves I have found to the daughter. Her father has very recently passed away and the scarf means everything to her. The next question is did I have to pay a fortune for it. The answer is no. I bought it for £29.99. They are known to go for several hundred and on ebay one is on sale at present for several thousand. What I am trying to explain is that with a little bit of knowledge and hard work the impossible can be achieved. I should never have been able to find these items as a novice not alone 2 of each and at the price i found them at! These are not the only things I have found. Other things I have given to museums that are lost items and I have found other rare items, all from my love of collecting the Queen. We are lucky as collectors that the invention of the world wide web gives us an opportunity to find things that we could only dream of in the past. Like the saying goes one persons trash is another persons treasure. I would love to hear stories from people on the site who have been able to find something for their own collection that they had given up hope they would find.
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Post by sarah on Feb 2, 2021 14:30:49 GMT
This is the special 1953 coronation scarf
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Post by sarah on Feb 2, 2021 15:03:50 GMT
The 1953 coronation scarf with gold leaf Thought you might like to see a picture of Paula's Dad putting on the gold leaf to the scarf.
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Post by sarah on Feb 2, 2021 16:45:26 GMT
This might be a contentious issue but I would like people's thoughts. As part of researching HM Queen I have researched in detail the 2004 "Equanimity" portrait, the first holographic portrait of HM Queen that was made into the first holographic stamp of HM Queen in 2012.
My research of Equanimity has led me down the slippery slope of Smiler Sheets. I have researched smiler's and read a number of articles. I appreciate they were produced more for commercialism than anything by various companies. I also appreciate that commercial smiler sheets production has now ceased.
Are smiler sheet stamps in the eyes of stamp collectors recognised as a stamp. I appreciate they are a stamp with a label attached but are they defined as stamps. I know that they still had to be authorised and that Buckingham Palace declined for the issue of a Smiler stamp sheet depicting the abdication of Edward.
The reason I ask is that I am interested in one particular stamp Sheet. Benham's 80th Birthday Of HM Queen. The smiler sheet depicts 10 of the photographs taken and used to develop Equanimity. Each picture is very slightly different in camera angle. To produce Equanimity a special camera on rails was developed to take many pictures over a period of time whilst the Queen remained still. They could not use the traditional laser method to develop the hologram because of safety issues of using lasers on the Queen.
This smiler sheet is the only one I can find that uses official photographs from the particular time to make the stamp. Most other smiler sheets use old photographs of the Queen. This smiler sheet in question is contentious in itself as the copyright is incorrect but I would like people's views on if these stamps are seen as genuine stamps or not.
In theory if this smiler sheet stamp is recognised as a legitimate stamp it could be the rarest stamp of the Queen as each of the 10 photographs are unique and only 1000 copies made, with several of the stamp labels used for first day covers.
This then comes back to the interesting article in the recent TSF news regarding rarity and scarcity. I own the vast majority (nearly 80%) of them including 1-20. There are 2 on ebay at present for sale if people need them to complete their own collection or want to own one.
It can be asked why I have bought the majority. (A number of reasons)
I feel so strongly about how they were produced and how the original designer has not had the credit he deserves. By owning the vast majority I have taken them off the market.
It was an experiment to see if the company in question who produced the sheet would allow me to buy all the stock. Interestingly as I bought the stock up the price went up. They also did not allow me to buy all the stock even though they told me they had none left and I had bought all their stocks. A year later I see that they have put other stock on sale at a very highly inflated price.
It is also an interesting way to own art. At present if I wanted to own the original piece of art that these stamps came from I would be looking at tens of thousands of pounds. This way i own the art albeit in a different way. Owning the large original piece or a piece developed on a stamp fundamentally is the same. The art collector may state it isn't but the joy i get from finding and owning my copies is the same to me than if I had thousands of pounds and had bidded in an auction and won the piece.
I have also have completed as a long term experiment between scarcity and value, not to make a lot of money but to see what happens. (I previously did this with a coin and was able to give a significant amount of money to charity, give a number of the coins to genuine collectors and use the money in profit to buy up the smiler sheets and other works of art which I wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise.)
This post isn't knocking people for trying to buy stamps as an investment or buying for pure enjoyment. It is trying to show how the system can be manipulated. I buy as I love the research part. The actual stamp, coin, art, sculptor, scarf does not give me such a thrill as actually researching and meeting like minded people and showing what can be achieved with hard work and imagination.
One of the most important things to remember with any collection that it is everyone's own personal journey. I am a perfectionist wanting every single piece of the puzzle. Realistically I know that this isn't going to happen but sometimes I still get frustrated. I hope my collection makes others look at their own collection and to remember to enjoy their collecting and the journey it take you on. Without my collecting I would never have the satisfaction of giving back in a way I never dreamt possible,
At present I am off sick again through exhaustion of trying to be a perfectionist with my job which again in this world cannot be achieved. I have gone back to my collection to try and give me some enjoyment in a time when life is hard. I hope my story and journey of collection helps others. The value of a piece can be measured in monetary terms but it can also be measured in enjoyment it can bring.
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Post by sarah on Feb 2, 2021 17:04:14 GMT
Back to stamps This first day cover shows one of Lord Snowdons portraits of the Queen. He has signed under his portrait.
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Post by sarah on Feb 2, 2021 17:09:19 GMT
Another interesting stamp designer who never seems to be mentioned much is Jeffrey Matthew's. He designed the 1978 coronation anniversary stamps. This consisted of 4 stamps featuring different things associated with the coronation including the state coach,the 2 crowns and the orb. This is a cover of the 1978 25th anniversary of the coronation signed by him.
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