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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 1, 2024 15:25:04 GMT
Lets try the image again.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 2, 2024 19:11:14 GMT
Looking at Francon & Storch Catalogue Specialise des Timbres Poste de France , 1900-1940, 1973. They do not provide any detail as to any differences between plate and rotative. However, if am reading htis correctly, the plate printing was from 01/9/1925 until 11/14, 1925 and was only as the Type I
The Type IA rotative was in print for just over 10 years, 11/21/1925 - 11/25/1935
The Type 2 rotative followed from 11/1935 until 11/1938
The only varieties listed seem to focus on th eletter T or E on the overprint (raised T or a Hook E)
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 2, 2024 21:36:09 GMT
The only block I have I received from Beryllium Guy. It lacks selvedge or the coin date, but is a nice example of the type I, which is determined by the lower loop and ball of the 5 and thickness of the top bar. (thicker on right (before serif) than on the left) I have not found anything detailing how one might determine rotative versus plate when there is no date. the block is darker than the single reagular issue below, but the uploading has shifted colors, so despite looking almost the smae color, they are not.  Below is a regular issue Type II. It was only plate printed (as best I can tell), and measuring the height of the image frame, it looks to about the same  |
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Post by gstamps on Apr 3, 2024 6:51:41 GMT
stainlessb , I don't know for sure but I think in 1922 rotary printing was introduced - all 15c were rotary printed, so there is no need to look for the difference in their height. The 2 types (rotary and flat) of pre-cancel are well described in YT and wvgm3's 2 examples are clear  Your block of 4 has a thick pre-cancel and you don't need the print date.
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 3, 2024 14:12:57 GMT
gstamps do you have a reference you can cite for the printing by rotary? Looking at Francon & Storch- They have a lenghty discussion, but they mention Mar 22, 1929 as the date intaglio changed over to rotary from plate. Thnere is some mentionof earlier rotatry, but seems specific to coin dates (and prior to the above issue). The discussions on the 15 c Semeuse has some varieties as rotative and some as not (perhaps it was a typo omission?) I will work on getting the entire section translated. Also, for wvgm3 - there is a section on papers and preoblitres. I will try and post later today. iam about to leave for the morning.
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Post by gstamps on Apr 4, 2024 5:20:48 GMT
Hi Stan, stainlessb, I have the same problem with the information in German. I recommend you to search on google with words in French - you can find a lot of information and the translation is much easier. In 1929, the first stamps printed in "taille-douce" appeared (that's what I think); the previous prints were lithographed or typographed. Regarding rotary typo printing, you can find information on: semeuse.blogspot.com/2018/10/numero-de-presse.html |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 4, 2024 14:55:02 GMT
I spent some time yesterday trying to find any references (French, English or otherwise) with little success beyond a description of the process, but nothing specific (date-wise) to the printing use with stamps. I do find an instance in Maury that Yvert # 252 Types I, II, and III were the first printing of intaglio (taille-douce), per the Institute de Gravure. a google search of "Historie Institue de Gravure" brings up a number of items, but I'll need some time to sort thru. If you do not include Historie, most sites seem to be sites offering stamps for sale..... I found mention of the Chambon press yesterday as I started translated Francon and Storch. It is slow going as my French is not remotely fluent and Google Translator comes up with sentences that do not make sense, so I have spent time with my French-English dictionary (thank you Beryllium Guy ) to try and find a usage that makes sense. I will post once I have more done. |
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Post by gstamps on Apr 4, 2024 16:03:18 GMT
stainlessb , you are right about YT#252. I was referring to the first "rotating taille-douce" stamp. I found this information on : www.phil-ouest.com
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 4, 2024 18:52:06 GMT
Nice new addition, won this at auction this morning, but won't see it for a few weeks.  |
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