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Post by michael on Oct 5, 2021 20:17:51 GMT
My favourite reprints are these:
 In 1950, a book, The Postage Stamps of New Zealand Vol 2, was published by the Royal Philatelic Society of New Zealand contained proofs of the six stamps.
These were printed by Perkins Bacon Limited in London. The original dies were used for the 2d, 4d, 6d and 1s values and the 1d and 3d values had new dies created from the original transfer rollers owing to the state of the originals.
2,000 copies of the book were produced and the 6 stamps appeared on separate pages with the colours changed to ensure that they were different from the originals.
Unfortunately dealers/philatelists vandalise the book by removing the pages and sometimes cutting round the stamps in the shape as above! I couldn't do this so mine are still in the book and I have photocopies in my album  |
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Post by DK on Oct 6, 2021 2:02:05 GMT
Unfortunately team it appears as though we have 'lost' a few images when the posts were split off to form this new thread.
Could everyone please take a look at their posts and add back any images that should be there please :-)
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Post by DK on Oct 6, 2021 2:03:31 GMT
Beautiful images above Michael.
Very nice
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 6, 2021 7:23:33 GMT
Unfortunately team it appears as though we have 'lost' a few images when the posts were split off to form this new thread. Could everyone please take a look at their posts and add back any images that should be there please :-) Thank you for the comment, Dave. Please accept my sincere apologies for this, as it is completely my fault, and it was unintentional. I am sorry for the inconvenience to all. |
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Post by DK on Oct 7, 2021 20:01:10 GMT
No worries Chris - the pictures for some posts were missing when I checked last - but seem to be back again now!
If any are found to be missing going forward I am sure we can resolve that between ourselves.
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Post by skid on Oct 13, 2021 1:39:59 GMT
Hi all Unfortunately I don't have any large Hausburg blocks of the 1d or 2d plate 1. However I do have these blocks of 108 ( sorry my scanner is too small and part of the bottom is cut off ). I also have a complete sheet of 240 of the 2d plate 11 The back scan is the back of the large one shilling block I have also attached a block of 9 I sold last year which was on thin paper. Cheers Grant       Grant, What rows are these? I want to compare the "spots" in the value tablets with the illustrations in the postage stamps of new zealand Vol I pages 35-39 on the re-entries to see if these illustrations were taken from the card or paper versions of the Hausburg reprints. |
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Post by gc on Oct 13, 2021 4:24:50 GMT
Hi Mark
The bottom block of 9 is from Rows 16-18, No's 7-9
The large 4d block I have no idea sorry.
The large 6d block I also have no idea sorry.
The lathe 1/- block I also have no idea sorry.
The large 3d block I would guess Rows 4-12, No's 1-12 ( based on the central guide line between Rows 10 and 12 )
Regards Grant
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Post by skid on Oct 13, 2021 14:30:08 GMT
Thanks Grant. Fortunately, the 3d is the easiest to see the "spots" in the value tablets. Page 39 of the Postage Stamps of New Zealand Vol. I has Row 4 No. 2 and Row 5 No. 2 illustrated as re-entries. These clearly show the "spots" where your card versions do not. That means that the PSNZ probably used the paper versions to make their illustrations. Here is a block from the 3d reprints on paper Rows 13 and 14. If you compare this to the reprints on card you can see the difference. Unfortunately, Grant's block does not have these rows.  
Here is the text on re-entries which might help to plate the block
To me it looks like the top row is actually row 4 as you can see the doubling of the left frame line in the bottom half of the stamp. Interestingly, row 6 has a line through the value tablet of many of the stamps. |
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Post by skid on Oct 13, 2021 14:34:03 GMT
Here is a comparison of the paper "Hausburg" prints (the blocks of 4) and the card Hausburg prints (singles). Note that the card prints are better quality than the paper ones.  These are from a previous post for further comparison |
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Post by gc on Oct 14, 2021 6:05:08 GMT
Thanks Grant. Fortunately, the 3d is the easiest to see the "spots" in the value tablets. Page 39 of the Postage Stamps of New Zealand Vol. I has Row 4 No. 2 and Row 5 No. 2 illustrated as re-entries. These clearly show the "spots" where your card versions do not. That means that the PSNZ probably used the paper versions to make their illustrations. Here is a block from the 3d reprints on paper Rows 13 and 14. If you compare this to the reprints on card you can see the difference. Unfortunately, Grant's block does not have these rows.
Here is the text on re-entries which might help to plate the block
To me it looks like the top row is actually row 4 as you can see the doubling of the left frame line in the bottom half of the stamp. Interestingly, row 6 has a line through the value tablet of many of the stamps. Hi Mark Yes the top row is Row 4 I have added two more scans. The single image really does show the re-entry. With the first impression being a whopping 10.5mm low. You can clearly see the curved lines across the body Cheers Grant   |
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Post by skid on Oct 14, 2021 14:51:41 GMT
Thanks Grant Here is Grant's Card Hausburg beside the illustrations in the NZPS Vol I. The NZPS images are not good, but I think it still shows more spots in the value tablet.  |
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Post by gc on Oct 19, 2021 6:37:21 GMT
Hi Mark ( and others )
One thing I note Mark is the lack of ink defining the bold outline of the letters "NEW ZEALAND" and also the lack of a complete black back ground to the letters "THREE PENCE"
Reading Robert Odenweller' book ( The Postage Stamps of New Zealand 1855-1873, pages 217, 218 and 219 ) he states:
"Examination of the complete sheet perforated 12.5 in the lilac shade from the Te Papa Tongarewa / Museum of New Zealand shows no evidence of the existence of the extensive corrosive changes that are evident on the complete sheet of the Hausburg reprint, indicating that this damage occurred some time between 1873 and 1906, and presumably led to the the copper and nickel electroplating. All of the impressions of the Te Papa sheet show a uniformly smudged appearance, which limits the ability to see fine detail and suggests that the lilac ink itself is responsible"
Mark could it be that the images in the NZPS Vol 1 were taken after 1906, after further corrosion had taken place ?
Was the ink used for NZPS Vol 1 different to that used for the Hausburg reprints, and thus offering a less defined image ?
Sure is a mystery.
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Post by skid on Oct 19, 2021 15:10:03 GMT
Hi Grant,
I compared the NZPS Vol 1 with scans of the reprints held at Te Papa (thanks to Pat Brownsey) and they show the same flecks of white in the value tablet. The paper is rough and the same as the paper "Hausburgs". My hypothesis is the rough paper causes the white flecks. The card makes better prints (Jolliffe paper and original proofs was even better). If I compare my paper Hausburgs with the reprints held at Te Papa they both have white flecks, but in different places. Therefore, my hypothesis is that the images in NZPS Vol 1 were taken from the sheets held in the GPO reference collection, which are the same sheets now at Te Papa.
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Post by DK on Oct 19, 2021 18:51:18 GMT
Speaking of 'blurry' prints and 'corrosion' on the 3d plate, I have shown this one before around the boards but think it may be relevant to your discussion. It is an oddity as can be seen the print on the LHS is pitted and blurred. What do you make of this one Mark?  Dave |
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Post by skid on Oct 19, 2021 23:01:32 GMT
The ink is smudged on the left outside the margin of the stamp. My guess is another sheet or something else was placed on top of it before the ink was dry and moved a bit to smudge the impression. In the reprints there are specks of white in the value tablet, here there are specks of color in the value text.
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Post by DK on Oct 20, 2021 22:00:17 GMT
As to the 3d SG40 I show above - My thoughts are that the specks of color are from pitted areas on the plate (corrosion) where the ink has accumulated. Anyway, I was looking at a 'dry' print of a Chalon in the Rhodes collection and thought to myself 'hmmmm .... could Marks white flecks on the 3d reprints above have been caused by a 'dry' print run!! IE not enough moisture on the printed sheets before applying the ink? As can be seen with this example there are white 'specks' all over the stamp caused by a lack of ink.  Dave |
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Post by skid on Oct 20, 2021 22:24:24 GMT
Interesting theory Dave. Thanks. All the Hausburg paper prints of all plates show this to some degree and all sheets of the same plate (i.e. the Te Papa sheets and the examples in circulation, which are from different sheets). But that might be because it is a different paper type (the others are on card) and did not soak the water as much or dried out quicker.
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Post by gc on Oct 21, 2021 4:52:54 GMT
Hi Dave and Mark Yes interesting copies. I have a couple to add. The first is SG117 Bluish-Lilac described by Robert Odenweller as "blurred" or "wet" print due to over inking.  The second is my copy of a "dry print" on SG9  Cheers Grant |
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Post by skid on Oct 21, 2021 5:36:52 GMT
Here are some of mine with some over inking or smudging. There may be a difference between over inkked and the paper too wet when printing.    |
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Post by skid on Oct 28, 2021 2:10:15 GMT
Hausburg on card  How would you describe the card used in the Hausburg reprints? It is slightly cream toned card about 0.01 inch thick as stated by Stanley 1972 and Lee and Watts 2009? Is it wove or laid? does it have a vertical mesh? I am new to describing paper and would like to get a better idea of the term to use. Thanks, Mark |
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Post by skid on Oct 28, 2021 3:40:51 GMT
On my website, the section on the reprints I have a variety of different proofs and reprints. First are the " London" proofs and this has a cert from Bob Odenweller where he states medium white wove paper I show a scan of the back as a reference. Secondly is the example of the 1864 reprint of the plate I, worn state on very thick white wove unwatermarked paper. Bob Odenweller cert. Next the 1884 reprints which were printed on a star watermarked paper also shown on my website. The 1906 Hausburg prints were on a medium card.These were never produced on wove paper maybe the way I mentioned the 1864 printing on the Hausburg first page is confusing. There is difinitely a couple of card varieties as I have varying thicknesses in my examples. The 1907 HPS "Proofs" are on a thick white card. The 1913 Jolliffe reprints are on white wove ungummed paper example of both plates A and B are on the website. Regards Andrew Andrew, Are your London proofs on soft paper or stiff paper (like the Jolliffe reprints)? Wilson (1952) lists a pair of the 2d. Plate II plate proofs on soft wove paper in the Royal collection. Regards, Mark |
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Post by murfz1 on Oct 28, 2021 23:56:27 GMT
I will get it out of the collection and have a look. I actually brought the pair off Grant a couple of years back as it was surplus to his collection.
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Post by DK on Nov 30, 2021 7:52:05 GMT
Whilst searching for some articles on the 1882 'Provisionals' (use of Stamp Duty stamps for postal use) I came across this article from 2010. From the NZSGB Website - The Kiwi, Volume 59 No.4, July 2010 - WILDE ABOUT HAUSBERG?
Introduction:
Surely, there can be few more worthy of remembrance for their dedication to Philately than the
late Leslie L Hausberg. ' Hausberg", I hear you say - who? It is probably true to say that he would
not have been well remembered were it not for the reprints of the Chalons (or the Full Face
Queen 's, if you prefer).
Hausberg is first mentioned in the London Philatelist in 1896 when he is listed as an attendee at
the 25th meeting of the Royal Philatelic Society of London during the 1896/7 season which was
held on May 11, 1896. He is next mentioned in an account of the Manchester Exhibition of 1899
when he was awarded silver medals for his displays of Grenada, Jamaica and Hong Kong.
Hausberg was undoubtedly a man of means. Interestingly, in his play, The Importance of Being
Earnest (1895), Oscar Wilde mentions a Baron Hausberg who dresses as a beggar for his portrait:
' My dear boy ', said Trevor smiling, 'that old beggar, as you call him, is one of the richest men in
Europe. He could buy all London tomorrow without overdrawing his account. He has a house in
every capital, dines off gold plate, and can prevent Russia going to war when he chooses', Is it too
much of a coincidence to suppose that Wilde based his character on our Hausberg? As we will see
Hausberg undoubtedly had considerable wealth at his command as well as time on his hands.
Further mentions in the London Philatelist suggest that his main interest was in identifying the
causes of retouches, re-entries and the result of worn plates, particularly as related to the stamps of
India and New Zealand. He set off to India and thence to New Zealand, arriving there in February
1905. Following discussion with the New Zealand Postal Authorities inspected material in their
archives. On the pretext that The Royal in London was planning to publish a book detailing the
early issue of Australasia, he requested (on behalf of the RPSL) 1000 prints of the 2d Plate II in
black for inclusion in this book.
As Mr. Hausberg undertook to pay the cost of the work and to supply the paper, the request was approved.
Hausberg then requested a supply of paper from Perkins. Bacon and Co. and Mr. J M. Heath selected an
unwatermarked white wove sheet which was despatched to New Zealand.
In April 1906, the Government Printer ran off 1,020 sheets of the 2d Plate II and 26 sheets from plates
for the remaining values, l d, 3d, 4d, 6d, and Is. In August of the same year, 26 sheets were also
printed from the 2d Plate I. One thousand sheets of the 2d Plate II and 6 sheets of the other values
were sent to Hausberg with the Postal Authorities retaining the remaining 20 sheets of each value.
The sheets sent to Hausberg were all printed on card.
The planned publication never saw the light of day so the 2d Plate II was not used for the
purpose for which it had been produced. Of the 20 sheets retained in New Zealand, one of each
was entered into the Reference Collection in Wellington and the remainder destroyed in 1936.
What to Look for in a Hausberg Reprint:
The 2d value from Plate II is by far the commonest and is often to be seen on eBay. A single
copy may be purchased for about £2 and a block of 4 for about £15. Larger multiples are less
common with a block of 36 selling for around £50 and the last complete sheet to appear in auction
fetched just under £500.
To obtain a complete set of the other values is less easy. The best way seems to be to look for a
set in pairs and hope that other readers of the catalogue do not realise how scarce they are! Prices
usually start at around £50 but may go as high as £100+ for a clean set of marginal pairs. My
experience is that none appears for years and then 3 or 4 sets appear very close together at
different auction houses. Complete sets in blocks of four are rare and highly desirable. Baillies set
in blocks of 4 sold for £368.
I have only seen the 2d in a block of six. From discussions with other
members of the Society, it appears that the 1d is particularly problematic.
From my observations over the last few years, I doubt if more than about two hundred complete
sets exist. One may quite often see odd single values at auctions.
A Word Of Warning:
There are forgeries of the Hausberg reprints. The 2d as singles or multiples is sometimes seen
with a photocopy in blue on watermarked paper being the most common. I have yet to see the
other values similarly treated. I have also had the pleasant experience of finding other items that
purported to be Hausberg reprints but were, in fact, the much scarcer original plate proofs. It pays
to keep your eyes open!
In Conclusion:
The significance of the Hausberg reprints cannot be overstated. They have made it possible for
philatelists to study the final state of the printing plates and to position copies on the plate. The
quality of the 4d and 1s plates is obvious because of the smaller numbers of stamps printed
originally. The fact that they were printed on card has also ensured their survival and continuing
quality and will ensure their availability in the future.
Thanks, Mr. Hausberg.
Thanks to Paul Moorcroft and Caroline Bossowska at the RPSL for their help with this article.
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Post by gc on Feb 4, 2022 1:28:05 GMT
Hi all Check this out ( found it in my archives ) Talk about make you go dizzy ( very nice double print ) Cheers Grant  |
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Post by DK on Feb 4, 2022 8:04:09 GMT
That is headache material Grant.
Not nice to look at at all.
I think that a warning needs to be placed on this before people view the hi-rez image - makes you think that you need glasses - on top of your glasses!!
Anyways, when was this 'Green' reprint made again ? and by whom?
I thought that these were much later printings - ie 1970's or '80s - or was that just the 'Blue' reprint ?
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Post by gc on Feb 4, 2022 20:55:22 GMT
Hi Dave
I actually have no idea who / when these were printed / photocopied.
I had thought Jolliffe, but hopefully Mark will know
Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Feb 4, 2022 21:11:57 GMT
Hi Grant
I have looked at this in the Ken Lynch books - he lists these as :
From 1906 'Hausburg' reproductions. Produced late 1970's - probably early 1979
No other info provided by Lynch!
I gather from this that these may have been printed from a photo copy of a Hausburg sheet.
For the Blue version of these he states:
From 1906 (Archives) reproductions. Produced in the 1980's ? A much lower grade product than the above.
No other info provided by Lynch!
He catalogs these at NZ$20ea for the green and NZ$1ea for the blue ones
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Post by skid on Feb 7, 2022 4:55:56 GMT
Hi Grant, It is probably these reproductions from Arnart advertised in the New Zealand Stamp Collector, Vol 059 No 01 Mar 1979  |
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Post by gc on Feb 7, 2022 20:21:41 GMT
Thanks Mark
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Post by skid on Feb 22, 2022 3:55:14 GMT
What is your opinion on whether these paper types are the same or different. The top is a known Jolliffe (from the full panels included in the book). The left is from the top half of plate II, so not a Joliffe from the book, but could be from a full Jolliffe sheet or another print, the right was considered a London proof of Plate II when the plates were created (I have not found the plate position, but it is probably from the middle of the plate, which I currently don't have access to). The paper thickness is very similar if not the same for all three (but it is also the same as the 1d plate proof, which I have a copy of and is easy to identify due to no wear) Thanks, Mark   |
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