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Post by skid on Nov 7, 2021 2:29:15 GMT
Dave,
"It is rated a 5 by Wooders." is that a rarity score? Is it from a book or a website?
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Mark
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Post by DK on Nov 7, 2021 2:49:02 GMT
is that a rarity score? Is it from a book or a website? Hi Mark There is a book out there on the marketplace entitled "The 1998 New Zealand Post Offices Cancellation & Postmark Guide" It is quite often found on Trademe selling for NZ$100 (US$68 approx) and contains a lot of good info on all of the Post Offices and other places where postal cancellations were applied in New Zealand. The ratings by Wooders are based upon rarity - 1 being common & 10 being rare. In my opinion anything rated 5 and above is nice to find. Ratings of 1 to 4 are the most commonly come across offices. If you are at all interested in this side of collecting - Closed Post Offices - then I highly recommend it to all. As to that 'Maropiu ' 'A' class cancel I mentioned previously, other info I didnt mention at the time is: Maropiu Whangarei Postal District Opened: 1/4/1890 (1st April) Closed: 29/11/1941 (29 November 1941) Other known cancel types for this office are: Manuscript - rated 9 Dave
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Post by otira on Nov 7, 2021 10:01:47 GMT
I decided to check out my New Zealand collection to see if I had any nice SON’s and the best I could come up with was this New Plymouth on piece dated May 13 1898 not long after the set was issued. I especially like that the stamp has the Wakitipu miss-spelling. A beauty I would say. Specially on the piece of paper. Would go in my collection if ever you like to set it on ebay. Just inform me. I collect those trying to find all the days with the NOS cancellation.
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Post by otira on Nov 7, 2021 10:31:02 GMT
I start with a contribution for this topic. An 1898 Wakatipu cancelled ElaineBay Dated JE 3 (Upside down)0 99 Probably the postman had to much to drink the night before
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Post by otira on Nov 7, 2021 12:37:59 GMT
The 1898 Pictorial Issue 5d. Otira on piece. Fine used 7 AP 98 on (ON) Public Service. 2 days after being issued.
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 7, 2021 19:53:00 GMT
While I have the New Zealand album out I searched and decided this 1897 Paeroa SON was clear enough to share.
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 19, 2021 18:42:35 GMT
Here is SG 195, almost SON with a squared circle cancel. Every time I look at it, I see "JUNEAU!" It must be "DUNEDIN" instead...
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Post by gc on Feb 1, 2022 23:53:29 GMT
Hi Here is a RTPO ( Railway Travelling Post Office ) on a 3d second side face. Coincidentally it is for sale on the New Zealand Trade Me site Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Feb 2, 2022 1:44:43 GMT
Nice one Grant.
That is exactly the kind of image I want to see posted on this SON thread.
Its gorgeous :-)
I saw that you have some items for sale on Trademe currently. I may need to to take a closer look ....
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Post by DK on Mar 26, 2022 2:58:20 GMT
I was about to put these 2 stamps into my albums when I thought that they would look nice on this SON thread: 1/2d Green and 1d Red KGV booklet stamps with tabs Dave
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Post by skid on Apr 17, 2022 21:44:30 GMT
I was going through by childhood stamp collection to see if I could find any interesting town cancelations (e.g. in the Thames Valley), but found very few. Most were slogans or wavy lines. I was a bit disappointed and then I found an few envelopes and it explained why. The later stamps were often canceled with what looks like a duplex, and the slogan, rather than the date stamp, was used to cancel the stamp. Probably because the stamp was attached to the top right of the envelope and the date stamp was on the left of the duplex. Also, the later stamps were more colorful and often glossy, so if there was a date stamp, it was often hard to see. This is probably why SONs are easier to find on the early stamps. Also, the size of the stamps obviously influences the likelihood of getting a SON, with it rare to find a good one on a small stamp.
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Post by DK on Apr 17, 2022 23:19:30 GMT
Your slogan cancellation above, Mark, is a product of a machine. A mechanized sorting/cancelling machine used for high volume mail centers - in larger towns & cities for example.
The ideal combination to get a lovely SON with is with an 'A' class coin cancellation on a stamp larger than the cancellation. I have shown many on here already and really want to keep it that way really.
This hobby is about visual appeal as much as anything else.
Dave
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 18, 2022 21:49:20 GMT
All right, Dave ( DK ), I have been wanting to participate in some meaningful way in one of these classic NZ threads, but for the most part, I just don't have the right material. When I was back in California over Christmas, I scoured my collection for SON cancels, I found a few that I hope will qualify. I agree with your comment that ideally, the stamp should be larger than the cancel to make it possible to get the full strike. Ironically, the clearest SON strike I could find happens to be on one of the smallest size stamps from the era, but I will post it anyway, as I think it should be close to fitting the desired criteria: Stamp: New Zealand, SG151 ½d Bright Rose, Wmk. NZ & Star, issued May-1892 Cancel: Gore, 12-Jun-1894, Squared Circle 'F' Class Type CDS
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Post by DK on Apr 19, 2022 23:36:07 GMT
Thanks Chris. Yes, that 'F' class cancel (squared circle) is extremely difficult to get 100% on a single stamp. Here is one on a block of 4 of the 1882 1d. But to get back on topic, here are 3 examples of the 1873-95 Newspaper stamp with lovely 'A' class cancels on about 95% of the stamps. Dave
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 20, 2022 21:46:15 GMT
Thanks, Dave ( DK ), I agree that those are beautiful 'A' Class cancels on the newspaper stamps. I understand now that the squared-circle type is an 'F' Class cancel, and I have noted the reference to 'H' Class cancels as well. I will try to learn the types as I go along. As you have supplied numerous examples of the 'A' Class cancels, I am hoping that I have now got this one right: Stamp: NZ SG250, 2½d Blue inscribed WAKATIPU Cancel: Orangimea, 29-Aug-1899, 'A' Class Type CDS Am I close on getting this one right? Also, am I right in thinking that Orangimea is a small place and perhaps a less commonly found cancel?
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Post by DK on Apr 21, 2022 5:07:26 GMT
Yes. Well done Chris :-)
Interestingly with the 1898 'Wakatipu' above, it appears that there is some evidence of another cancel under the 'Orangimea' cancel.
Orangimea Whanganui Postal District 4th March 1899 - 24th February 1922 'A' class is rated a 6 in Wooders - well done. A not common office as you state.
The postmark on yours is also from 1899 - the same year the office opened!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 21, 2022 6:30:32 GMT
Thanks for your response, Dave ( DK). It's nice to know that I am still trainable! Very observant on your part about the faint, underlying cancel. Truthfully, I was so focused on the Orangimea strike that I had not noticed it myself. I wonder what all those Ms are? It looks something like MMMM and then part of another M a bit further away. I wonder if it could have been multiple strikes with an under-inked device or something, as the Ms seem to overlap one another. It seems a bit odd, the more I look at it. Anyway, I am glad that at least I was finally able to contribute a decent 'A' Class SON cancel to the thread. I will keep looking to see if I have any others that qualify. I know that I have some other nice CDS on pre-1940 stamps, but I think they are not necessarily the 'A' Class types.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 21, 2022 22:27:37 GMT
OK, Dave ( DK ), I am ready to give this thread another go. This may be the only other 'A' Class SON postmark that I have. I think that the others may all end up being later types. Stamp: NZ SG278 1d Carmine (this is a guess, as I do not have the stamp with me to check perfs or wmk) Cancel: Port Chalmers, XX-Jul-1908, 'A' Class Type CDS I note that the cancel abruptly stops toward the left side of the stamp, which leads me to believe that perhaps another stamp was affixed overlapping this one on its envelope, so when the stamps were soaked off, the top stamp left the overlapped portion of this one uncancelled. That's my best guess. Doing a web search on Port Chalmers indicates a 2021 population of 1,460 people, which sounds like a small community. I wonder if this could be another less-common cancel?
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Post by DK on Apr 21, 2022 22:50:33 GMT
Port Chalmers is the name of the main port servicing Dunedin. It is probably just 10kms from the Dunedin CBD. Port Chalmers is quite 'famous' in the world of early New Zealand postal activity. It was one of the early offices opened in the new colony (circa 1848) and is famous for the 1/- 'bisect' Chalon - SG3a & 6a. The population figure would be just for that suburb I assume, although it is a part of the wider Dunedin City (pop. @120,000) Port Chalmers is not a rare office and therefore without referring to my books I would think would rate a 1 or a 2 in Wooders book - so quite common. I agree that there was probably another stamp (or another piece of something) stuck over the stamp when the postmark was applied. Dave NZ Post Office HistoryBy 1845 only eight post offices were open – Russell, Hokianga (Rawene), Auckland, New Plymouth, Petre (Wanganui), and Wellington in the North Island, and Nelson and Akaroa in the South Island. Port Chalmers and Dunedin followed in 1848 with the arrival of the Otago settlers, and Lyttelton in 1850 with the arrival of the Canterbury settlers. In 1848 control of postal services in New Zealand was transferred from the British Postmaster-General to Governor Grey and his Legislative Council.
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Post by DK on Apr 21, 2022 23:07:34 GMT
I was just thinking about my trip to Dunedin last year and remembered that I had taken a photo of the Otago Harbor from atop of Larnach Castle. It is a beautiful harbor as can be seen. Port Chalmers is on the opposite shoreline in the distance: Dave
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Post by blackcap on Apr 22, 2022 5:59:23 GMT
Here goes my first attempt. On a half penny Postage Due. Not sure if it qualifies. Never heard of Putaruru.
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Post by DK on Apr 22, 2022 6:25:08 GMT
Of course it qualifies :-) Its a lovely example Arend.
Funnily enough I drive thru' Putaruru quite often. I live in Tauranga but often travel over the Kaimai's to Tokoroa, Taumarunui and Taupo. I go thru Putaruru each and every time I go to those places.
It is 15 minutes north of Tokoroa. Between Tirau & Tokoroa.
Nice 1st effort.
Dave
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Post by blackcap on Apr 22, 2022 6:34:51 GMT
Another one that could be called SON. Thanks Dave for clarifying where Putaruru is.
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Post by blackcap on Apr 22, 2022 7:13:43 GMT
Last one for tonight. A bunch of 1/ Georges from the Victory Series. I picked these interesting items up in a recent Mowbrays Auction (public 40). Unfortunately quite a few are tainted by toning on the back. But an interesting selection none the less.
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Post by DK on Apr 22, 2022 8:22:26 GMT
Now you are into the swing of things Arend.
Great to see some different types of cancels, all SON too :-)
The 1/- Victory is a great stamp to have so many of too.
My favorite one in that lot is the 'H' Class 'Little River' visually wise.
But some interesting others too that I will check in Wooders tomorrow - Mangahao Hydro & Market Cross.
Very nice ....
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Post by DK on Apr 22, 2022 21:46:18 GMT
The Market Cross "J" class cancel is rated a 3 in Wooders - so not uncommon.
Market Cross Westport Postal District 21st Apr 1919 to 4th Aug 1975
But the Mangahao Hydro "J" class cancel is rated a 6 in Wooders - so the best of the lot you show us above, for rarity. The office only open for 8yrs - probably during the dams construction.
Mangahao Hydro Palmerston North Postal District 24th Mar 1920 to 23rd Apr 1928
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Post by DK on Apr 22, 2022 22:06:09 GMT
Here are some of the lower values from the 1920 Victory set. Just a quick random pull from one of my duplicates books. Nothing rare or outstanding here, just good old fashioned 'socked on the nose' Dave
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Post by DK on Apr 22, 2022 22:25:59 GMT
I was about to put my postmark cancels book away when this one popped out at me! Putaruru - as per Arend's one above: It is in a pair so cropped it to show how lovely this one is on its own :-)
1d Universal from a very worn 'Dot' plate Dave
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Post by gc on Apr 22, 2022 23:21:26 GMT
Hi Dave That Universal is a RIPPER Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Apr 23, 2022 9:14:00 GMT
Thanks Grant. Yes it is :-) For my sins, and my Saturday night entertainment, I am looking thru' the Auckland City Stamps next Public Auction - #22 - auction catalog. And in there is this little beauty: Public Auction 22 - Session 2 Description2d Vermilion P12 1/2 Watermark Lozenges CP A2x Very Good Used postmarked ‘Dunedin NO 27 73’. CP Cat $1000 (1) I thought that this needed to be uploaded to this thread as it fits in beautifully. Now this is 'eye candy' Dave
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