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Post by renden on Dec 31, 2021 19:58:47 GMT
The Viet Minh was a national independence coalition formed in 1941 - created by the Indochinese Communist Party and was established as the only organized anti-French and anti-Japanese resistance group. Some stamps issued under Viet Minh are shown here and might have some historical value but no real CV - René
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Post by angore on Jan 1, 2022 11:21:28 GMT
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 1, 2022 17:02:27 GMT
Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam Ho Chi Minh (Hanoi, 2 September 1945)
"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness”. This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free. The Declaration of the French Revolution made in 1791 on the Rights of Man and the Citizen also states: "All men are born free and with equal rights, and must always remain free and have equal rights." Those are undeniable truths. Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists, abusing the standard of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, have violated our Fatherland and oppressed our fellow-citizens. They have acted contrary to the ideals of humanity and justice. In the field of politics, they have deprived our people of every democratic liberty. They have enforced inhuman laws; they have set up three distinct political regimes in the North, the Center and the South of Vietnam in order to wreck our national unity and prevent our people from being united. They have built more prisons than schools. They have mercilessly slain our patriots. They have drowned our uprisings in rivers of blood. They have fettered public opinion; they have practiced obscurantism against our people. To weaken our race they have forced us to use opium and alcohol. In the fields of economics, they have fleeced us to the backbone, impoverished our people, and devastated our land. They have robbed us of our rice fields, our mines, our forests, and our raw materials. They have monopolized the issuing of bank-notes and the export trade. They have invented numerous unjustifiable taxes and reduced our people, especially our peasantry, to a state of extreme poverty. They have hampered the prospering of our national bourgeoisie. They have mercilessly exploited our workers. In the autumn of 1940, when the Japanese Fascists violated Indochina's territory to establish new bases in their fight against the Allies, the French imperialists went down on their bended knees and handed over our country to them. Thus, from that date, our people were subjected to the double yoke of the French and the Japanese. Their sufferings and miseries increased. The result was that from the end of last year to the beginning of this year, from Quang Tri province to the North of Vietnam, more than two million of our fellow-citizens died from starvation. On March 9, the French troops were disarmed by the Japanese. The French colonialists either fled or surrendered, showing that not only were they incapable of "protecting" us, but that, in the span of five years, they had twice sold our country to the Japanese. On several occasions before March 9, the Vietminh League urged the French to ally themselves with it against the Japanese. Instead of agreeing to this proposal, the French colonialists so intensified their terrorist activities against the Vietminh members that before fleeing they massacred a great number of our political prisoners detained at Yen Bay and Cao Bang. Notwithstanding all this, our fellow-citizens have always manifested toward the French a tolerant and humane attitude. Even after the Japanese putsch of March 1945, the Vietminh League helped many Frenchmen to cross the frontier, rescued some of them from Japanese jails, and protected French lives and property. From the autumn of 1940, our country had in fact ceased to be a French colony and had become a Japanese possession. After the Japanese had surrendered to the Allies, our whole people rose to regain our national sovereignty and to found the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. The truth is that we have wrested our independence from the Japanese and not from the French. The French have fled, the Japanese have capitulated, Emperor Bao Dai has abdicated. Our people have broken the chains which for nearly a century have fettered them and have won independence for the Fatherland. Our people at the same time have overthrown the monarchic regime that has reigned supreme for dozens of centuries. In its place has been established the present Democratic Republic. For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government, representing the whole Vietnamese people, declare that from now on we break off all relations of a colonial character with France; we repeal all the international obligation that France has so far subscribed to on behalf of Vietnam and we abolish all the special rights the French have unlawfully acquired in our Fatherland. The whole Vietnamese people, animated by a common purpose, are determined to fight to the bitter end against any attempt by the French colonialists to reconquer their country. We are convinced that the Allied nations which at Teheran and San Francisco have acknowledged the principles of self-determination and equality of nations, will not refuse to acknowledge the independence of Vietnam. A people who have courageously opposed French domination for more than eighty years, a people who have fought side by side with the Allies against the Fascists during these last years, such a people must be free and independent. For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, solemnly declare to the world that Vietnam has the right to be a free and independent country. And in fact it is so already. The entire Vietnamese people are determined to mobilize all their physical and mental strength, to sacrifice their lives and property in order to safeguard their independence and liberty.
Source: Ho Chi Minh, Selected Works (Hanoi, 1960-1962), Vol. 3, pp. 17-21
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 1, 2022 17:06:31 GMT
I think this chapter should begin with the declaration on Independence proclamed by Ho Chi Minh in 1945 I began getting interested in this issues during a business trip i'vedone in VietNam long time ago, maybe 10 years? i don0't remember actually... I could put togheter three complete collection of the period, maybe not exactly the same, but almost equivalent... Let me came back home and i will post a picture.
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 1, 2022 17:16:54 GMT
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Post by angore on Jan 2, 2022 11:43:23 GMT
Very nice and interesting pages. You actually include scans of catalog pages but little knowledge of Italian. My interest in the region has been due to my interest in the Indochina wars (aka French and US wars). This would be nice in the TSF newsletter.
The words from the US Declaration of Independence were intended to encourage, in part, America's help as FDR was avid anti-colonialist - meaning generally opposed to French, British, and Dutch continuing their colonial presence in Asia. Of course, overall politics came into play - recovery in Europe to prevent Soviet expansion.
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 2, 2022 22:23:33 GMT
Catalogs
From a philatelic and postal history point of view, in what is now Vietnam the following entities have succeeded each other over time, reflecting what has been the history of the country: 1) Cochinchina (1886-1888) 2) Annam-Tonkino (1888-1889) 3) Indochina (1889-1945) 4) Democratic Republic of Vietnam (RDVN, 1945-1976) 5) State of Vietnam (SoVN, 1951-1955) 6) Republic of Vietnam (RVN, 1955-1975) 7) National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NF, 1963-1968) 8) Republic of South Vietnam (RSVN, 1970-1976) 9) Vietnam (VN, 1976 -...) Now let's see which worldwide catalogs cover the listed areas. Michel, Scott and Yvert-Tellier are three among the most popular stamp catalogs worldwide. Alongside these we can include other local or specialized catalogs, listed below for reference. Each catalog has its own numbering system, protected by copyright. 1) The Michel catalog (Germany) is the only one that covers all nine areas. The Michel is also the only catalog to cover the stamps of Sedang, LK4, LKV, and Nga Khe. 2) The Scott catalog (United States) covers 8 areas: Cochinchina, Annam-Tonkino, Indochina, RDVN, SoVN, RVN, RSVN and VN. Scott does not cover the National Front. Beyond any further consideration on this point, it is necessary however, keep in mind that genuine letters with National Front stamps do not exist. 3) The Yvert-Tellier catalog (France) also covers 8 areas: Cochinchina, Annam-Tonkino, Indochina, RDVN, SoVN, RVN, RSVN and VN. The catalog does not cover the National Front. 4) The Dragon catalog of the Democratic Republic of China covers 8 areas: Cochinchina, Annam-Tonkino, RDVN, SoVN, RVN, NF, RSVN and VN. The catalog does not cover Indochina, but covers all postal issues of the state of Vietnam (Bao Dai regime) and the Republic of Vietnam (Ngo Dinh Diem and all subsequent governments). 5) Stanley-Gibbons (England) covers 6 areas: RDVN, SoVN, RVN, NF, RSVN and VN. The Stanley-Gibbons doesn't cover Cochinchina, Annam-Tonkin and Indochina. 6) The Soviet Union CPB catalog covers 4 areas: RDVN, NF, RSVN and VN. In addition, the CPB catalog covers stamps of the LKV. 7) Finally, the Danh Muc catalog of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam covers 4 areas: RDVN, NF, RSVN and VN. 8) We also mention the Nu-Line catalog. This catalog is now out of stock and can only be found in dealers specialized in philatelic literature. Nu-Line Specialized Postage Stamps Catalog of North Viet Nam First edition, 1995 ©1995 Nu-Line Co. Ernest Racz, Publisher These catalogs have been compiled to meet the needs of their reference areas: the Scott for the United States; Michel, Stanley-Gibbons, and Yvert-Tellier for the European market etc. Consequently, the comparison between the different publications is always difficult and sometimes meaningless. Having clarified the content of the various catalogs, it is to the reader to determinate which catalog has limitations "for political reasons". It doesn't seem of much interest why Scott doesn't have to cover socialist countries like Vietnam (or even North Korea) or non-Soviet catalogs doesn't have to cover (unwelcome?) regimes like South Vietnam.
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Post by angore on Jan 3, 2022 11:17:24 GMT
Very useful information - saved in OneNote
As have read it, in the post WWII period Indochina components (Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam) were part of the Associate State of the French Union. During the period of 1948 and 1954, there would be overlap of in the contested areas.
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 3, 2022 15:52:42 GMT
Hmmm, I saved it in Tot.
Thanks for that, ameis33!
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 6, 2022 21:25:18 GMT
Catalogs Cross Reference
I believe stamps should be sorted by their issuing date. This is the most common practice. But for Viet minh overprints there isn't a decree of issue nor a objective date of issue. We can at least speak of a first known date of use. So, missing the date of issue, which generically is listed as 1945-1946, Viet Minh overprints are classified with different criteria: according to the original stamp, according to the type of overprint, according to the currency used, etc. and consequently the comparison between different classifications can be confusing. The following table can be of help. A simple summary of all the stamps with the numbers of the three main generalist catalogs, the Scott (USA), the Michel (Germany) and the Yvert-Tellier (France). docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hhN-q9Xu9Q2SVDK0q2_NpWo1xALf1yik/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=117093763021206511756&rtpof=true&sd=trueBTW! If someone have the Yvert pages for this issues, i would be glad if i could have a copy.
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 6, 2022 21:30:39 GMT
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 15, 2022 15:28:48 GMT
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 15, 2022 15:37:08 GMT
That's my collection. I hope you can see all the images (15 pages) and i hope you'll like them. The presentation follow the Yvert numbering, which seems to me the best, but maybe just because it's the one i started with. Regardless the stamps, there could be something to say... about the level of details (maybe, in this case, the description doesn't add too much) about the font used, about the scans (i have to change my scanner)
But something i would like to underline is about perforations. I put the perforation listed in the catalog (where there are more), but a lot of time, it doesn't match with my measurement. This issue is common also to other area. Poland i.e. There's a measure in the catalog, but when i measure i always get something else. I still haven't got if the problem is in my perforation gauge, if it's me who still haven't understood how to measure it, or the catalog...
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Post by angore on Jan 16, 2022 11:08:03 GMT
Very nice reference collection.
Do you have other countries done in this style? It looks like these were posted directly from your googledrive? How did you do that?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 16, 2022 11:22:49 GMT
Roberto ( ameis33), thank you very much for sharing your North Vietnam collection pages with us. You have done a beautiful job with the pages, and the stamps look excellent, too. Bravissimo!
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Post by renden on Jan 16, 2022 13:48:46 GMT
ameis33Those 15 pages were "brilliant" - enjoyed them very much René
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 16, 2022 20:45:20 GMT
Good that you like what i did... We can speak about "philately at the time of Coronavirus..." Time allowing, i will came back with other subjects...
Let's wait other contribution to the topic... What about (the few!? if any) postal usages?
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