JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 10, 2022 20:14:01 GMT
My interest in these is an offshoot of my Oranges Philately collection.
This is a very complicated issue, along with all the other values. I've been trying to get mint pairs of the various 6d printings as well as noted plate flaws. This is an example of the Molehill Flaw, attributed to the Third Issue (Die 1, 1st Printing, Rotogravure, if my notes are correctly transcribed) with Hyphenated SUID-AFRIKA.
Printed in sheets of 240 subjects, 12 wide, 20 deep. SG61b It comes from Row 20, stamp 11 and I chose this pair with margin selvage over a regular pair, as this shows potentially the plate position.
Others to follow
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 16, 2022 20:53:02 GMT
A second example of plate damage to the green plate leaves a green smear/streaking on top of the 6d value on the left image.
It is well-documented as a constant plate flaw of SG47, lacking a clever nickname as with the previous "Molehill" variety.
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Post by kgvistamps on Jan 17, 2022 14:03:52 GMT
This won't help you with the flaws, but many collectors have a real hard time determining which catalog number is assigned to each of the variations in this stamp. I put together this graphic that I use to show how to identify them.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 17, 2022 15:56:22 GMT
kgvistamps - thank you for posting your 6d Comparison Chart. I think most general collectors will find it to be a great help. While the 6d a bit of a complex issue, it is nothing when compared tp the 1/2d Springbok printings which you tackle in detail. I did go to your www page and want to compliment you for all the subject postings. I have bookmarked it for future reference. Jeff
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Post by paul1 on Jan 17, 2022 23:31:27 GMT
thanks to both JeffS and kgvistamps - both posts very interesting. Regret I'm only a part time collector who normally keeps to Europe only, so very ignorant of the continent of Africa, but am aware of what seem like reams of plate damage/flaws on the stamps of S.A. from the first half of the C20 - the fallen ladder and molehill are striking flaws on this particular low value. I have a pair of mint unmounted 6d.(hyphenated) oranges where the r.h. stamp (South Africa) carries a strong horizontal orange coloured bar in the upper right quarter of the stamp. This flaw runs from the perfs. almost to the middle of the stamp - stopping only where it hits a fruit, and as a bonus there's a thin green line that drops down from the top perfs. - bisects the orange bar - and terminates half way down the stamp. Similarly, there's another fine green vertical line on the other side of the tree. This isn't as spectacular as either of the flaws mentioned, but wondered if in fact it's a known aberration. I also have this same low value - in an un-hyphenated mint pair - with over-print of OFFICIAL (vertically), but in orange base colour rather than red as the standard 'orange tree'. I'd like to know the SG No. for this one if someone can advise - many thanks. I can send pix tomorrow some time if of interest.
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Post by JeffS on Jan 17, 2022 23:57:02 GMT
paul1 Pics are always of interest. Looking forward to seeing them.
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Post by paul1 on Jan 18, 2022 10:08:49 GMT
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 18, 2022 21:06:20 GMT
paul1 I've been too busy on house matters to get back any earlier. I am not familiar with the orange and green marks on the first stamp. Certainly a subject for further research As to the pair of officials, that is the correct orange for the first printing. The orange changed "shades" numerous time over the life of the design. See the 6d color comparison chart posted earlier to get a feel for them.
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Post by paul1 on Jan 18, 2022 22:42:47 GMT
thanks JeffS - I can't off-hand see any listing of my variety in SG, but will hunt around for more information. As you've commented earlier, these 'orange trees' are a minefield - IIRC, and I could well be v. wrong, my pair of the OFFICIAL orange - without stops after OFFICIAL (which run down the stamps), and with a horizontal gap c. 14 mm between the two Opt. words, appears to be SG 09 - issued 1929 - 31 - and lacking the hyphen. Unfortunately, that runs counter to the fact that my pair have the long, extended curved foot to the R for 1926. So, I'm possibly wrong and mine may not be SG 09 .......... but looking at the distances quoted for the gap between the words OFFICIAL then all rather confusing. Anyway, a good pair.
I have many other S.A. flaws on a variety of values so will post one or two in due course.
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 18, 2022 23:01:44 GMT
The timing of the postings of the Orange Trees is timely as today I am going through a South Africa envelope looking for anything I might want. There was a dozen single orange trees but there is also a block of 4 of the late 1940's printing that I may keep. I do have 5 pairs of various periods as well as 2 pair of Officials. I did not share photos at this time but can if there is interest. As mentioned this is a complicated stamp.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 23, 2022 14:17:19 GMT
Split Tree or White Line in Tree
The right hand (English text) stamp shows a white line from the top of the tree canopy, extending downward toward the center. I haven't found universal acceptance of a name for this flaw. Perhaps something evocative like "Lightning Strike" would give this more respect.
None the less, I was happy to find this postally-used on cover, and the Insufficiently paid for Air Mail beyond New York auxiliary marking is a bonus.
I regret I don't know the correct air mail rate for such a cover to the USA in 1936.
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 23, 2022 19:45:52 GMT
I have a single on airmail cover 6d seems to have been enough S.A to GB. Obviously as US was outside the Empire it would not qualify at that rate, possibly
I guess 1/- was enough for NY. I have a similar period cover from France which had to have an extra US 5c stamp added for onward airmail once it had landed in US .
Maybe your cover had to walk the rest of the way to Chicago .
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 23, 2022 21:34:37 GMT
This thread is still active so I thought I would share my orchard. There are several eras represented but they have not been checked for odd varieties. The photos are in order of issue.
Scott 25 - I like the Dock's Capetown postmark Scott 59 and 60 Scott 61 mint pair Recent addition block of four from stamps I am going through now. Appears to be Scott 61 The last 2 photos are mint and used Official pairs of the later printings I believe.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 25, 2022 17:00:52 GMT
hdm1950 One can have a lot of fun with South Africa, much on a budget too.
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Post by JeffS on Jan 25, 2022 17:04:51 GMT
vikingeck - airmail rates changed frequently over the life of the 6d printings. A couple months ago I began recording airmail covers by destination and year to try to make some sense of them. To answer your question (which I sense is tongue-in-cheek) the cover traveled by ordinary first class surface to its destination.
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 25, 2022 18:32:25 GMT
hdm1950 One can have a lot of fun with South Africa, much on a budget too. Don't tempt me JeffS. I have amassed large collections of many countries by just buying old collections and box lots. The past 20 years I have only bought individual and sets for British America countries including Canada and provinces. I have pretty well exhausted affordable items in that area so am thinking I may have to tackle another country or area. My Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain and USA are down to the expensive stuff too. The Malaysian States and South Africa have come to mind as places I could switch to.
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Post by JeffS on Jan 28, 2022 18:26:59 GMT
"Falling Ladder" Variety
I believe the most notable of the Orange Tree printing plate varieties is this one called the Falling Ladder. From the Third Issue, first printing. English text only. It is also the priciest. This single stamp was purchased for about 45% of a similar quality pair.
Serious collectors of South Africa suggest that these stamps should be saved in pairs showing both Afrikaans and English text. I have yet to encounter a technical description of how this occurred, but I'm sure it exists.
My intent for this solo item is for my Oranges Philately collection included with the page (s) showing harvesting oranges using ladders to reach heights (sometimes reaching 40 feet or more.)
This will be included to show the perils encountered.
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Post by JeffS on Feb 15, 2022 20:30:32 GMT
A corner block with printing cylinder numbers 32-orange and 85-green This identifies this as examples from Issue VI per the Union Handbook which I understand is the preferred reference..
The UL stamp also shows a minor plate flaw, a deformed R in AFRIKA
I also like marginal pieces that so nicely show the watermark. Not all printings offer this clarity.
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Post by JeffS on Feb 16, 2022 16:58:07 GMT
A used block of 4 of Official stamp SG o46. No particular philatelic significance other than tidy readable postmarked blocks are not common.
Of personal significance, August 6 1953, the day I turned 7 years old.
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Post by JeffS on Feb 24, 2022 16:37:48 GMT
New this week:
Block of 8 with Jubilee Lines in right selvage. Later overprinted for use in South West Africa. Note that the horizontal perforations extend into the selvage at right. This indicates a London Waterlow stamp printing which were perforated from the left end of the sheet to right.
The later Pretoria printings were perforated beginning with the right side, leaving perforations extending into the left selvage.
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Post by JeffS on Mar 17, 2022 15:59:24 GMT
I recently added a pair of orange trees with perfin E.A./C. of the East Asiatic Company of Durban according to
which is a page from the online listings of South Africa perfins.
Interesting to me it the tête-bêche arrangement of the perfins as well as the strong vertical mesh of the paper which I don't recall previously noting.
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Post by JeffS on Mar 19, 2022 22:52:28 GMT
Received unexpectedly from Alex @vikingeck a pair of orange trees, from the rotograph hyphen printing referred to as ISSUE 2. Identification is that the SUID-AFRICA measures 16.25mm and the stamp image measures 18.5mm x 22.5mm.
The left stamp in the pair, the SUID-AFRICA caption, shows an extended green line beneath the foliage on the right side of the tree.
My only reference is the Union Handbook which does not mention this variety with this printing.
Thank you Alex. I appreciate your kindness. Jeff
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Post by paul1 on Jun 1, 2022 16:24:57 GMT
very impressed with your acquisitions JeffS - particularly that block of eight. Have just dug out this overprint variety, but as with most overprints never entirely sure whether it's logged under the stamp name or the overprint, but will include here for now - the complexities of the Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika group can bring tears to the eyes. German occupation was replaced by the U.K., and currency changes occurred too, so on the face of it there seems to be an anomaly insofar as these three named areas weren't Sterling (I stand to be corrected), whereas S.A. was - hence the 6d. on the orange trees. This is the only example I have of this overprint, and what I assume was originally a joined pair, though I don't recall splitting them. Anyway hope of interest, and it's likely others will be able to add some facts and information. thanks.
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 1, 2022 16:49:32 GMT
Don't fret Paul , these were never a pair, so you were not guilty of splitting them . The postmarks are different, one cancelled NAIROBI and the other MOL..... also the Overprint positions are at different heights so they were never joined
KUT used the East African Shilling as the currency unit 100c= 1/-
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Post by paul1 on Jun 1, 2022 17:49:23 GMT
thanks vikingeck - I should have looked at the cancellation - you're quite right of course and these two could never have been joined, I got rather carried away with the fact that the printed text made it appear they might have been - Africaans and English- and ignored the ink. They're a good couple to have and condition v.g. for used:-)
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Post by JeffS on Jun 1, 2022 22:40:15 GMT
Have just dug out this overprint variety, but as with most overprints never entirely sure whether it's logged under the stamp name or the overprint, but will include here for now I think general country collectors would include them in the country named in the overprint. I include them with the printing order of the base stamp.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 2, 2022 8:06:06 GMT
Thanks JeffS - Oh gosh, In that case I sense another album revamp coming .............. ;-);-) I'm keen on overprints, so I've been clumping them together, but jokes aside I imagined it might be easier to locate a given example if they were all in on place. I think my problem is not uncommon ........ I'm trying to do too many countries, so must have a thin out. Anyway, thanks for the advice.
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Post by paul1 on Apr 29, 2023 17:51:16 GMT
another example that may possibly be SG 61d - the 1946 printing - die III. This caught my eye initially with a plate flaw that for want of a better description is along the lines of a fracture/break in the white shading down the left side of the trunk - I don't see this flaw anywhere, but that's not to say it's not already known by the experts - it's a noticeable variation. Equally interesting is the likelihood that this example may have been 'cut' from a sheet (to convert to a coil stamp possibly) - it has an imperf. appearance, and although the margins are narrow, there is an absence of any sign of perforation, and it's known that some of the values in this series were scissor cut rather than perforated. Pix attached, and included is an example with a normal trunk. Thanks for looking, and would very much appreciate comments from the experts on this one, please - sorry pix are a tad poor. P.S. looking again at this one, the thickness of the paper/card suggests that it's not a stamp per se and is more likely to have been sourced from a prepaid postal letter/card item, which explains the thicker material plus the imperforate condition. No idea if the same dies were used on such non-stamp material, though the design does look to match die III.
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 30, 2023 9:42:19 GMT
Hi paul1 that crack in the tree is interesting, However is that a white hairline cutting across the foliage into the two lower oranges on the right? And another following the curve of the postmark line at the top of the tree, is it surface damage due to a heavy handed canceller? Can I ask you to take a closer look at your stamp…..there are two tiny white marks in the left side Top corner and again near the 4th bar up from POSTAGE. Can it have once had perforations trimmed with scissors or do my eyes deceive? If so is it really printed on card or is it a stamp still adhering to paper which might soak off ? Yours in puzzlement. Alex
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Post by paul1 on Apr 30, 2023 14:30:58 GMT
thanks for your thoughts vikingeck (Alex). Initially, I'd hurriedly assumed this was a stamp, but of course not everything is a straightforward stamp, and it does now seem that this is possibly an item of postal stationery - which certainly accounts for the 'cut with scissors' appearance. The 'white hairlines' across the foliage have been caused, I'm sure, by a rather heavyweight physical cancellation - this looks to have been produced by pressure from the front of the piece, and in the attached picture you can see how this has caused a raised pattern on the back of the piece, and slightly breaking the front surface in those areas of 'white hairlines' corresponding to the pressure cancellation. I don't know if the same dies that were used to produce the stamps were used on postal stationery. This material is thicker than a stamp, and the new picture shows the appearance of card - rather opaque for a stamp - it also looks as if someone in the past has assumed it was a 'stamp' stuck to envelope material, and tried to peel the back of the 'stamp'. I will now give it a soak and come back should anything untoward happen.
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