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Post by rod222 on Sept 27, 2013 10:23:57 GMT
Azad Hind Exist both Perforated and Imperf. Author: Mr. Gerhard Reichart
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Post by Philatarium on Sept 27, 2013 19:54:16 GMT
Rod: Thanks for posting these. I have some as well, and once I can get the scanner, the computer, the stamps, and me all in the same room at the same time, I have some hope that I can submit them here.
They are listed in the Japanese specialized catalog, so I've tried to pick them up as available. I understood from some old-time dealers that these were once packet material, but some of them also have catalog value in the Japan catalog, apparently correlating with the Indian catalog values.
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Post by rod222 on Sept 27, 2013 23:32:11 GMT
Happy to hear your interest Dave. Indeed, they were packet material. Perhaps to 1990's Ebay and the internet has killed a lot of "Junk box material" that appeared at auctions and club sales. Collectors are a lot more informed these days, due to forums like this. They can now rummage and "pick" items like these and sell individual items.
I used to go regularly to a local auction guy here in Perth, who held auctions in the back of his washing machine shop, and I would lose out regularly to a guy who bought what seemed to me to buy willy nilly. On asking him what he collected, he would say things like, "Not collecting right now, hoarding. This stuff will be my retirement" and how right he was.
I would see Chinese stock books full of stamps go for $10, now a single mini sheet nearly raises that. I havn't seen an Azad Hind stamp B.O.B. for 10 years now.
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 28, 2013 1:47:40 GMT
My only Azad Hind holdings. Shouldn't this thread be more appropriately located in the Cinderella board?
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Post by rod222 on Sept 28, 2013 2:45:36 GMT
"Shouldn't this thread be more appropriately located in the Cinderella board?" Debatable : First up, I have no issue where you put it, whatever you think best for the forum, (really My argument: I have 500,000 images, and I can tell you, things get awkward when you sub classify away from country of origin. Things tend to get lost under blanket hierarchy. My route has always been a descending order of Importance, Interest, Philatelic or otherwise. My Library goes something like the following (+ more) This, in my view is the leanest, quickest, more valuable approach, having said that, when my allowance is taken up by photobucket, I will not be posting any more images, so how you fellows organise, is up to you, but you all are doing a great job, and you can ALWAYS shuffle my stuff around as you see fit.
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Post by Admin on Sept 28, 2013 4:01:08 GMT
I have open a photobucket account for the forum, 500gb of storage is still very reasonable compare to other options. In time select members will have access to the account and can use it.
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Post by Ryan on Sept 28, 2013 4:38:36 GMT
They are listed in the Japanese specialized catalog, so I've tried to pick them up as available. I understood from some old-time dealers that these were once packet material, but some of them also have catalog value in the Japan catalog, apparently correlating with the Indian catalog value. This made me curious as to how the Japanese might be involved, and I learned that it was due to the semi-postal surcharge being directed toward funding Japanese administration over some Indian islands south of Burma, the Andaman & Nicobar Islands. Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Sept 28, 2013 4:42:23 GMT
when my allowance is taken up by photobucket, I will not be posting any more images I use Google Photos (a rebranding of Picasa's web albums or whatever that was called) for inline linking and their photo storage is only counted for images with a side longer than 2048 pixels. For images smaller than that, storage is unlimited. Ryan
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Post by rod222 on Sept 28, 2013 6:57:42 GMT
They are listed in the Japanese specialized catalog, so I've tried to pick them up as available. I understood from some old-time dealers that these were once packet material, but some of them also have catalog value in the Japan catalog, apparently correlating with the Indian catalog value. This made me curious as to how the Japanese might be involved, and I learned that it was due to the semi-postal surcharge being directed toward funding Japanese administration over some Indian islands south of Burma, the Andaman & Nicobar Islands. Ryan That struck me as odd as well, I am glad you had the verve to follow it through, I had let it pass through to the keeper.
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Post by rod222 on Sept 28, 2013 6:59:18 GMT
I have open a photobucket account for the forum, 500gb of storage is still very reasonable compare to other options. In time select members will have access to the account and can use it. Wow! that equates to about 2,000,000 images, that should do us for the time being.
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Post by jamesw on Aug 18, 2014 13:34:31 GMT
Just found these in my Vancouver stock books. Pretty interesting history. They will be headed for the cinderella book.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 18, 2014 23:59:39 GMT
I saw a set of Azad Hind stamps (amongst others) sell for $32 on the weekend.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 27, 2014 20:21:38 GMT
Has anybody found info on how to differentiate genuine Azad Hind stamps from copies? (Well, as genuine as you get with Azad Hind, that is.) I can't imagine a German perforating a stamp that ends up looking like the upper left stamp in the first post on this thread ... Germany was well away from ugly line perforations and had been using comb perforations for years (the ones where the perf holes line up perfectly on the corners). It took the Canadians a long time to finally ditch the line perfs, and the Americans even longer!
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Post by Philatarium on Aug 28, 2014 0:41:10 GMT
Ryan -- Pure speculation on my part, but perhaps they were not perforated in Germany, especially since they were issued both ways. Maybe they were perfed somewhere closer to the local warfront (or perhaps Japan? or wherever they were printing their occupation issues? -- again, pure speculation). The only stamp of the value is the multi-colored high-value issue (not shown in our thread). I understand from old-time dealers that the other stamps were packet material for many years, which doesn't mean much, except that perhaps there was no motivation to make forgeries (except possibly for the high-value one). So I can't help but think that the perfing happened somewhere away from the Reichsdruckerei. But again, my theory is based on no actual facts whatsoever, so consider the source ...
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Post by rod222 on Aug 28, 2014 2:06:01 GMT
Has anybody found info on how to differentiate genuine Azad Hind stamps from copies? (Well, as genuine as you get with Azad Hind, that is.) I can't imagine a German perforating a stamp that ends up looking like the upper left stamp in the first post on this thread ... Germany was well away from ugly line perforations and had been using comb perforations for years (the ones where the perf holes line up perfectly on the corners). It took the Canadians a long time to finally ditch the line perfs, and the Americans even longer! Ryan Short answer. Not as yet. I agree with Philatarium. All the sets I have seen have been line perforated (often poorly) Two sets sold in the past 10 days, another short set 8 bidders, knocked down at $10. We may be comparing forgeries with forgeries here, but look at the difference in colour to James set he posted (perhaps it may be his scanner) but the neon type inks look different.
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Post by scb on Aug 28, 2014 5:00:57 GMT
Has anybody found info on how to differentiate genuine Azad Hind stamps from copies? (Well, as genuine as you get with Azad Hind, that is.) I can't imagine a German perforating a stamp that ends up looking like the upper left stamp in the first post on this thread ... Germany was well away from ugly line perforations and had been using comb perforations for years (the ones where the perf holes line up perfectly on the corners). It took the Canadians a long time to finally ditch the line perfs, and the Americans even longer! Ryan Well, yes... As stated on my blog www.stampcollectingblog.com/the-unidentifiable-uglies-or-how-i-deal-with-stamps-of-indian-states.php: The originals are printed in photogravure, the forgeries are offset-litho (appearing less sharp/detailed). Also the colors of forgeries don’t match the originals precisely, and the colors appear more or less washed out.
After having seen a set of forgeries, I would not worry about identifying the fakes. The difference in appearance is that obvious. That much said, I haven't put much focus on perforations on these (as all my copies are imperf). But Michel specialized does state the stamps are line perforated (4 different gauges listed)
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Post by rod222 on Aug 28, 2014 10:05:12 GMT
Any new collector wishing to sharpen their understanding / detection of printing methods, (litho engraved photogravure etc) may want to look at Argentina common definitives of 1954-1959 and 1959-1970.
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Post by Philatarium on Aug 28, 2014 21:44:34 GMT
scb Keijo, thanks for ending my idle speculation and supplying actual fact-based facts! Much appreciated! And rod222, I am intrigued. Thanks for the tip! -- Dave
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