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Post by philatelia on Dec 29, 2023 12:41:57 GMT
Here we go - the final mystery stamp challenge of 2023!This is your last chance to get your name entered into the monthly prize drawings, so don’t be shy! Join in the fun!What is the catalog number for this stamp and what does it celebrate? Cheers! Rules; Answer must include a catalog number or similar citation. Naming country of origin is not sufficient. Answer must be sent in a private message to me, philatelia. Kindly do not post answers on the board. No spoilers please.
Do you enjoy this fun Stamp Forum feature? Would you enjoy helping to keep it going? You could volunteer to host a challenge once a week picking either every Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday or Sunday. Suggestions for the mystery stamps are needed. Additional prizes are also very welcome. “Likes” greatly appreciated! Message me if interested. Thank you!
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Post by philatelia on Jan 1, 2024 13:00:48 GMT
Happy New Year Stamp Sherlocks!
We had a great response identifying the New Years Baby stamp including responses from FOUR new Sherlocks! The first response was from clever mberry from who wrote;
The last challenge for 2023 is US Scott 3369 released December 27, 1999 to celebrate the New Year - 2000.
Other correct answers were provided by; swvl scub renden carabop hrdoktorx david mberry daveg28
WELL DONE, clever sleuths! Here is your trophy hat! Wear it with a cheesy grin, eh?
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Post by philatelia on Jan 1, 2024 13:20:26 GMT
Welcome to the first Mystery Stamp Identification Challenge for 2024!
As the weekend challenge was a bit easier, today’s challenge will be the more difficult stamp that would have been the weekend toughie. Let’s see if our experts can identify this one! I’ll be in awe and amazed if more than two or three can figure it out. Answer will be posted on Wednesday. Good luck!
Rules; Answer must include a catalog number or similar citation. Naming country of origin is not sufficient. Answer must be sent in a private message to me, philatelia. Kindly do not post answers on the board. No spoilers please.
Do you enjoy this fun Stamp Forum feature? Would you enjoy helping to keep it going? You could volunteer to host a challenge once a week picking either every Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday or Sunday. Suggestions for the mystery stamps are needed. Additional prizes are also very welcome. “Likes” greatly appreciated! Message me if interested. Thank you!
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Post by philatelia on Jan 3, 2024 10:54:10 GMT
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Post by philatelia on Jan 3, 2024 11:08:36 GMT
Wednesday Mystery Stamp - can you identify this overprinted stamp? Good luck, clever Sherlocks!Wednesday challenge aims for easy/medium difficulty. Answer will be posted on Friday.
If you have this stamp, let’s see a pic of your copy!Rules; Answer must include a catalog number or similar citation. Naming country of origin is not sufficient. Answer must be sent in a private message to me, philatelia. Kindly do not post answers on the board. No spoilers please.
If you have a suggestion for a mystery stamp that would be awesome!
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Post by rod222 on Jan 3, 2024 11:09:49 GMT
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Post by philatelia on Jan 4, 2024 14:29:32 GMT
Mystery stamp update - one day left! No one seems to have a copy of the mystery stamp to share - this must be a scarce item!
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Post by rod222 on Jan 5, 2024 2:11:21 GMT
Mystery stamp update - one day left! No one seems to have a copy of the mystery stamp to share - this must be a scarce item! Surely that is a conundrum ? You want a picture of the stamp, but we are not supposed to reveal the answer before Friday's reveal.
(Yes, I have a pic of the stamp, (for forgery ID)) and others in the set.
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 5, 2024 2:34:13 GMT
Mystery stamp update - one day left! No one seems to have a copy of the mystery stamp to share - this must be a scarce item! Surely that is a conundrum ? You want a picture of the stamp, but we are not supposed to reveal the answer before Friday's reveal.
(Yes, I have a pic of the stamp, (for forgery ID)) and others in the set.
She is wanting examples sent to her by messenger that may then be shared when the list of those that correctly solved the mystery is posted.
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Post by philatelia on Jan 5, 2024 11:08:33 GMT
hdm1950, rod222 Exactly right, Hugh! I thought it would be fun to see how many Sherlocks actually have a copy of the mystery stamp and perhaps share a pic along with the identification information.
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Post by philatelia on Jan 5, 2024 11:10:09 GMT
We did it! We now have a group best of ELEVEN responses! It looks like many folks were right - our forum members are more motivated by curiosity and the love of knowledge and don’t necessarily need to have a prize offered to make the game entertaining. Bravo team!
The picture actually showed a variant of the issue, but it can be difficult to measure differences from a picture so either catalog number was accepted. This is supposed to be a friendly, fun game so I’m going to opt for inclusion and “close enough” when accepting answers.
rod222 correctly identified this as Anjouan, Scott 21 1912 Type A1 surcharged 5c on 4c, and sent the following information posted on another forum on how to identify this variety.
Correct answers were also provided by these clever folks;
scub greaden hrdoktorx rednaxela salentin david franoise TimG hdm1950 rod222 renden
Here is your trophy hat, a Kufi, modeled by a cute Anjouan boy;
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Post by philatelia on Jan 5, 2024 11:13:05 GMT
Weekend Mystery Stamp Challenge!This one is a bit of silly fun - the comical cancel made me laugh and I hope you grin, too.
For an extra tough challenge, bragging rights to anyone who can identify the cancel. I don’t know the answer to that question.
Good luck! Rules; Answer must include a catalog number or similar citation. Naming country of origin is not sufficient, but this rule is waived for stamps that are not listed in the major catalogs (Michel, Gibbons, Yvert, Scott) Answer must be sent in a private message to me, philatelia. Kindly do not post answers on the board. No spoilers please.
If you have a suggestion for a mystery stamp that would be awesome!
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Post by greaden on Jan 6, 2024 3:30:01 GMT
The picture actually showed a variant of the issue, but it can be difficult to measure differences from a picture so either catalog number was accepted. This is supposed to be a friendly, fun game so I’m going to opt for inclusion and “close enough” when accepting answers.
rod222 correctly identified this as Anjouan, Scott 21 1912 Type A1 surcharged 5c on 4c, and sent the following information posted on another forum on how to identify this variety.
This particular stamp is a bit more complicated. Scott lists it under Anjouan and gives a letter for the wide-spaced overprint variety.
It should really be listed under Madagascar. During the period it was issued, the island colonies around Madagascar including all the Comoros, were merged into Madagascar and Dependencies. Unused stock from now obsolete colonies such as Anjouan were overprinted with the 5 and 10c values and were valid throughout Madagascar. All postmarks on them that I have seen were not from Anjouan but from major cities on the big island such as Tamatave.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2024 6:26:22 GMT
It should really be listed under Madagascar. During the period it was issued, the island colonies around Madagascar including all the Comoros, were merged into Madagascar and Dependencies. Unused stock from now obsolete colonies such as Anjouan were overprinted with the 5 and 10c values and were valid throughout Madagascar. All postmarks on them that I have seen were not from Anjouan but from major cities on the big island such as Tamatave.
Anjouan was attached to Madagascar and Dependencies on 23rd February 1914 ( 2 years after the overprints) Thence to the Comoro Islands on 1st January 1947 Stamps of these groups were used in Anjouan as they became available
So when you get Scott to alter the listings, you need to change Stanley Gibbons as well Good luck with that
Gibbons
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Post by gstamps on Jan 6, 2024 7:04:55 GMT
I think I have posted this pair of stamps with different distance between the digits of the overprint 05. The stamps are original (drawing, comb perforation and tropical gum) The 05 overprint appears to be a typo (see the embossed marks on the back)... and yet I'm not sure it's original, since all the pairs I saw online had the stamp on the right with the 05 spaced (2 mm). rod222 I don't think that the sizes 1.5 and 2.5 mm in the catalog are correct.
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Post by gstamps on Jan 6, 2024 7:23:23 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2024 7:31:40 GMT
gstampsFabulous monograph! (of an area that is a favourite of mine, but lacking in information) Thank you.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2024 7:35:33 GMT
I think I have posted this pair of stamps with different distance between the digits of the overprint 05. The stamps are original (drawing, comb perforation and tropical gum) The 05 overprint appears to be a typo (see the embossed marks on the back)... and yet I'm not sure it's original, since all the pairs I saw online had the stamp on the right with the 05 spaced (2 mm). rod222 I don't think that the sizes 1.5 and 2.5 mm in the catalog are correct. gstamps I can only go by info I have from author "Perf 12" He cuts the numerals in half by a line, then measures between the lines for the spacing Is that your method? Your stamps look genuine to me, not that means much though. I'll have a bo peep in "Billigs" see if he lists anything
Nothing in Billigs under Anjouan, Comores, Madagascar, that I can see Vol 3 has French Colonies Madagascar, just opt examples
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Post by gstamps on Jan 6, 2024 7:35:51 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2024 7:39:26 GMT
click to enlarge Wow! thanks for the other monograph, brilliant!
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Post by gstamps on Jan 6, 2024 8:15:24 GMT
rod222, I also tried the "perf12" measurement method. Unfortunately, I can't find the measurement method explained on a 5x10 panel (I think) where it is explained rather complicatedly how the numbers 0 and 5 were mounted and how many "typographic dots (of 0.38 mm?) between them. I measure like this: 2mm -variety "chifres espaces" 1.5 mm - normal distance There is also a very rare distance of 1.75 (?).
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Post by philatelia on Jan 6, 2024 11:46:59 GMT
rod222, gstamps - Thank you bunches for these informative posts about this mystery stamp issue. Fascinating history - something I certainly was unfamiliar with. Conversations like this are exactly what I was hoping to see as all of us benefit from the wealth of knowledge you’re sharing. Excellent stuff!
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Post by greaden on Jan 6, 2024 14:03:49 GMT
It should really be listed under Madagascar. During the period it was issued, the island colonies around Madagascar including all the Comoros, were merged into Madagascar and Dependencies. Unused stock from now obsolete colonies such as Anjouan were overprinted with the 5 and 10c values and were valid throughout Madagascar. All postmarks on them that I have seen were not from Anjouan but from major cities on the big island such as Tamatave.
Anjouan was attached to Madagascar and Dependencies on 23rd February 1914 ( 2 years after the overprints) Thence to the Comoro Islands on 1st January 1947 Stamps of these groups were used in Anjouan as they became available
So when you get Scott to alter the listings, you need to change Stanley Gibbons as well Good luck with that
My source is Maury's DOM-TOM volume from 2009.
1911 is listed as the date for the "rattachement administratif (administrative attachment) d'Anjouan (and the other islands) a Madagascar".
The surcharged Groupe type were to use up the remaining stocks of stamps, and were valid throughout Madagascar and all its dependencies.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2024 16:43:33 GMT
The surcharged Groupe type were to use up the remaining stocks of stamps, and were valid throughout Madagascar and all its dependencies.
I don't see any 1911 mentioned anywhere,
I still see 2014 as the ratified date of transfer
wikiThe Order of the Star of Anjouan (French: Order de l'Étoile d'Anjouan), also known as the "Order of Said Ali" was instituted to reward foreigners with an appropriate decoration in the European style.
On 14 April 1892 Said Ali bin Said Omar became Sultan, but in that year he was banished to Réunion. On 9 April 1908, France declared the Comoros a single territory (Mayotte and Dependencies) and attached it to the colony of Madagascar.
On 25 July 1912, the Protectorate was abolished and Ngazidja, along with the three other islands, was annexed by France and the entire archipelago was constituted as a province of Madagascar. This was ratified on 23 February 1914.
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Post by daniel on Jan 6, 2024 17:33:07 GMT
The surcharged Groupe type were to use up the remaining stocks of stamps, and were valid throughout Madagascar and all its dependencies.
I don't see any 1911 mentioned anywhere,
There does seem to be some evidence in this Wikipedia link supporting the argument that these stamps were used throughout Madagascar but gives the year as 1912. Daniel
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2024 17:50:05 GMT
daniel So, going forward, do we have a reason (or suggestion) why Scott, Gibbons, Stamp Albums, constantly have them under their own listings? I don't have a modern Gibbons, to see if they have changed. (Thanks for the link)
If France decides to append the territories, does the post automatically transfer? or is ratification required first?
Seems belligerant to me. (but I would understand the wider use for convenience sakes)
I would like to see the UPU's opinion on this.
"Moheli joined to Madagascar 1914"
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Post by greaden on Jan 6, 2024 19:01:59 GMT
The surcharged Groupe type were to use up the remaining stocks of stamps, and were valid throughout Madagascar and all its dependencies.
I don't see any 1911 mentioned anywhere,
I still see 2014 as the ratified date of transfer
wikiThe Order of the Star of Anjouan (French: Order de l'Étoile d'Anjouan), also known as the "Order of Said Ali" was instituted to reward foreigners with an appropriate decoration in the European style.
On 14 April 1892 Said Ali bin Said Omar became Sultan, but in that year he was banished to Réunion. On 9 April 1908, France declared the Comoros a single territory (Mayotte and Dependencies) and attached it to the colony of Madagascar.
On 25 July 1912, the Protectorate was abolished and Ngazidja, along with the three other islands, was annexed by France and the entire archipelago was constituted as a province of Madagascar. This was ratified on 23 February 1914.Note the merger of all 4 Comoro islands in 1908 (with a capital in Mayotte) and attachment to Madagascar.
Yvert also gives the 1911 date for "rattachement".
I think what is going on is step-by-step integration of the Comoros with Madagascar. Postal integration must have happened prior to final formal union.
In this scan, top left 15c stamp shows the distinctive octagonal Anjouan postmark. Top right 10c is postmarked Tamatave, Madagascar. I wish I could make out the year. I recall reading that all the Madagascar-area groupe-type stamps became valid throughout the enlarged colony.
Middle Left: a surcharged stamp. The postmark reads Madagascar. The town, if I read it correctly, starts with an S. Middle right: Anjouan stamp used in Mayotte
Bottom row: se tenant surcharge from French Guyana showing the narrow and wider spacing between the numbers. The difference is obvious at a glance, and so is helpful for comparing to other surcharges.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2024 19:12:22 GMT
"I think what is going on is step-by-step integration of the Comoros with Madagascar. Postal integration must have happened prior to final formal union."
Beautifully phrased, I think that is the nub of the history.
As an aside, I have an image of an MOHELI stamp, postmark reads MAYOTTE ET DEPENDENCIES (Top arc) and MOHELI bottom (1908)
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2024 19:20:51 GMT
"The postmark reads Madagascar. The town, if I read it correctly, starts with an S."
Madagascar postmarks beginning with "S"
SADJOAVATO SAHASINAKA SAINTE-MARIE SAKAHARA SAMBAVA SERINAM SOALALA SOANIERANA SOAVINANDRIANA
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