JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 3, 2024 19:02:32 GMT
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wm
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Post by wm on Jan 3, 2024 23:08:23 GMT
Beryllium GuyThank you for your prompt and considered reflections, Chris. Most helpful and also in line with my initial thoughts. As you point out, the submission by mail and return with US customs in the mix would make BPA challenging, although likely the most accurate (and preferable regarding opinion). APEX would likely depend on who is available to make the appraisal. I’m also somewhat nervous about the process of mailing and return, although clearly the system is well set up and works. I also found “The Philatelic Foundation” online – based in New York. One can search their certificates for Cape of Good Hope and see all of those. I'm not sure if I can post the link here, but by selecting Cape of Good Hope and searching, it returns 394 certificates (including some rectangulars). Scott numbers are used, and they seem to have adequately picked up counterfeits/forgeries, and defects are indicated. Watermarks are also mentioned. Pricing is a bit higher than APEX for ‘foreign stamps’. A similar search on APEX shows the opinion date, which is helpful for insights into current appraisals. The “Cape of Good Hope" search yields 532 items, with quite a number of rectangulars. Mostly Scott numbers as a reference and no mention of watermarks. Dates of opinion are included – and a narrower search yields 129 from 2020 onwards. A dealer in South Africa indicated he may be able to assist, and I have a trip there sometime this year. It all comes down to the value add of the appraisal – I have a few that are borderline cleaned fiscals, color queries and sideways watermarks of interest.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 4, 2024 11:29:22 GMT
My Christmas present from and to myself arrived today ! No it is not late as it came from the Iberian Peninsula where gifts are given on "12th Night" which would be tomorrow . ( Note to self remember to take down the lights and remove Christmas tree...) But here is my present SG 20 Bright mauve, pair unused no gum
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 4, 2024 15:15:49 GMT
A beautiful item Alex. I love pairs.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 4, 2024 16:25:41 GMT
Thanks for posting, Alex ( vikingeck). That’s a superb pair of SG20! Congratulations on such a beautiful acquisition!
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wm
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Post by wm on Jan 4, 2024 19:34:39 GMT
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 4, 2024 22:59:51 GMT
Expertizing query: I have a few higher value and/or unusual Cape triangulars that I would like to have expertized. I don't envy your mission but I look forward to your results! Jeff
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 19, 2024 18:05:25 GMT
My first afternoon at York fair after a 5 hour train ride and almost all spent out in the first hour . Robin at Mulready Philatelics asks kindly for you Chris Beryllium Guy . Robin had this as steel blue……maybe yes maybe no but it is a pretty pair Which way round should I mount it on an albumpage ?
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 19, 2024 18:21:59 GMT
My first afternoon at York fair after a 5 hour train ride and almost all spent out in the first hour . Robin at Mulready Philatelics asks kindly for you Chris Beryllium Guy . Robin had this as steel blue……maybe yes maybe no but it is a pretty pair Which way round should I mount it on an albumpage ? For my 2 pence worth I prefer the the lower positioning for album mounting. I had to reorganize and reward that sentence a few times so it could not be misinterpreted.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 19, 2024 18:57:46 GMT
It's a nice pair, Alex ( vikingeck), I congratulate you! Please give Robin my best regards! I recently bought a Cape Triangle from him on eBay. Wish I was there with you in York! Well, I understand why Robin is calling this pair SG19c Steel Blue, as his rationale is likely similar to what many sellers/collectors do. As soon as they see the light patchiness in the engine-turned background, they think it is one of the rare shades. Based on my research and working with SG to get images of certified examples, I think it is unlikely that these are SG19c. Just my opinion, of course, and that does not detract in any way from what a nice pair they are. As for which way to display them on a page, I like the "square orientation" better than the diamond (so, agreeing with Hugh hdm1950), but I would flip it around from the way you have shown it to make the numeral "1" in the barred-oval numeral cancel (BONC) more or less the right way up, rather than completely upside down, as it appears now. Once again, just my opinion, since you asked! Hope you will continue to enjoy the show, Alex!
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 19, 2024 21:59:37 GMT
Regarding the Cape Steel Blue triangles, here is an example of a certified example posted here some 10 years ago and its cert. It appears that such white patchiness is no indication of being a Steel Blue if this certified example is to be considered a benchmark of the shade.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 19, 2024 22:08:31 GMT
"Which way round should I mount it on an albumpage ?"
If I were showing it for the cancellation, I would mount triangular with the numeral right-reading. If for the stamp, I would mount it triangular with Miss Hope visible at the top, letting her breathe.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 19, 2024 22:46:17 GMT
I bought the pair as much for the cancel as the colour, Certainly doesn’t have the green overtones of JeffS certified example…. However it is a decidedly different shade from any of the SG 19 I have already and it is a decent pair, Robin did give me a discount. I also bought this 6d on slightly blued paper Again ‘cos I liked the shade , whatever it is.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 19, 2024 22:51:22 GMT
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wm
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Post by wm on Jan 27, 2024 19:49:45 GMT
On the shades, I've added a few de La Rue's for reflection. My IDs (open to correction/comment) Top left is a Lutz Hefferman certified SG 19b (slate blue), top middle and top right are 19 or 19a (Deep blue/blue). And then the bottom row are 19c (Steel blue). Below are some flaky blues that sit somewhere in the 19 mix.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 27, 2024 23:20:46 GMT
wm Certainly an attractive assemblage. I dare not comment on the blue shades🤐 thank you for showing them.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 15, 2024 11:11:22 GMT
I mentioned on another thread ( what'cha been stamping) that I had been very busy most of January and until last week preparing sheets for the Annual Association of Scottish Philatelic Societies' Congress in April . I had a 5 Frame competitive exhibit taking up much of my time but as Aberdeen is the Host society we are also obliged to fill 60 frames ( NOT Competitive ) to showcase our members' collecting interests. One of these extra frames is my Cape of Good Hope, and JeffS asked me to show my pages. So my friends, bear with me as I put up some 16 sheets over the next few days > Nothing fancy by way of study or writeup , just a page or two for each issue showing what I've got
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 16, 2024 13:10:41 GMT
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Feb 16, 2024 15:18:22 GMT
Hi Alex, thank you for scanning and posting. I can see that you have been at this for considerable time. Needless to say that is a lovely block of the 4d white paper, and the cover quite presentable. I have neither.
I don’t understand the caption on the page of 1d rose shades which reads “brick red.” Can you explain please.
I’m looking forward to the rest, thanks, Jeff’s
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 16, 2024 17:41:46 GMT
Hi Alex, thank you for scanning and posting. I can see that you have been at this for considerable time. Needless to say that is a lovely block of the 4d white paper, and the cover quite presentable. I have neither. I don’t understand the caption on the page of 1d rose shades which reads “brick red.” Can you explain please. I’m looking forward to the rest, thanks, Jeff’s Well I'm ever the optimist . I lifted that from Gibbons catalogue, which lists SG5 as existing, on cream paper without bluing in " Brick red" from 1857 before it goes on to the rose inks .................. I can't find it in Maxwell Joseph sale so does it exist ?
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 16, 2024 22:34:25 GMT
Pages 8 & 9 Page 8 & 9
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 16, 2024 22:37:30 GMT
Sorry to be slow to acknowledge your nice posts, Alex ( vikingeck ). The pages are looking great, and I congratulate you! As for SG5, Brick Red on Cream-Toned Paper, as I think you already know, there are some who doubt its existence, since it does indeed not appear in the Sotheby's Sir Maxwell Joseph Collection Auction Catalogue from 1982. But then some of those same people also question the existence of SG7d, Slate Purple, despite the fact that certified examples are found in that same MJ Catalogue! Personally, I think that SG5 exists. I also think that TSF members wm and Nemo have both already shown examples from their collections that look pretty convincing to me. I also have an example in my collection that I think may be an SG5, although I acknowledge that you and Jim ( jkjblue ) were not convinced by the scans I provided, which is of course, your right. I would also add that if we try using a bit of logic to argue for SG5's existence, I think the reasoning is compelling. I have pointed this out before, but it is stated in Stevenson and in other sources that the 6d Slate Lilac on Blued Paper (SG7c) is well known to have examples on which no bluing is evident. So, if that's acknowledged as possible, then why can't it also be true for 1d Brick Red? Looking at it that way, I must logically conclude that it should be possible. I would further state that I have enough respect for SG and their catalogues to believe that some competent person saw at least one suitable example of the stamp at some point or other before just deciding to include it in the catalogue listings. So, irrespective of the fact that a few people who claim never to have seen an SG5, conclude that it therefore doesn't exist, I can only conclude that they must have pretty high opinions of the comprehensive nature of their views of the world. Stepping down from my soap box now....
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 17, 2024 0:09:37 GMT
"Brick Red" for me, is a fascinating colour, I call it "rusty red" but will always be a matter of opinion for all collectors. I mainly reference it to some of the GB penny reds. Seen here in (for me) a perfect example on an unidentified stamp Note: It does not appear in Stanley Gibbons modern colour swatches It does not appear in the Australian Colour shades of the KGV sideface (but nearest to the famous "EOSIN PINK" (using wiki's example) Wiki's interpretation (which is way off in my opinion)
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 17, 2024 7:32:03 GMT
Keep in mind that modern colour standards like 'Pantone' were developed in the 1960s, whereas catalogue colours for classic stamps are remnants of a long-gone era.
It is funny there is a Wikipedia page showing all these colours. If anything, true colours are very unlikely to show on a monitor. Two people looking at the same entry are likely to see two different colours. At best, such a colour chart serves as an example of how shades approximately compare.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 17, 2024 9:56:03 GMT
The triangles on Page 1 & 2 above have always been described as “brick red “ , which has orange or vermillion overtones, and are readily distinct from the pinker shades called “rose “. I live in hope that an SG 5 may turn up . I have never seen a brick the colour of the Wikipedia illustration rod222 and that illustration in no way resembles the Perkins Bacon ink accepted for 180 years as Brick red
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Post by michael on Feb 17, 2024 17:19:34 GMT
This is what Co-Pilot (some new AI icon that has appeared on my desktop) said when I asked it how to distinguish the colours of COGH triangle stamps. Oh well so much for AI
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 17, 2024 20:03:50 GMT
Only “2 denominations” ?……..you mean all my 6d and 1/- are figments of my imagination😢
Having just spent an hour in my greenhouse tidying old flowerpots etc … the colour of “ terra cotta”; is an approximation to brick red.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 18, 2024 13:35:12 GMT
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 20, 2024 15:23:34 GMT
Page 13 ,14,15 16 Can I emphasise that this is NOT a COMPETITIVE EXHIBIT.. too much white space on several pages and the arrangement not balanced a judging nightmare I would guess. It is work in progress and is being used as a frame filler among 59 others to illustrate the variety of collecting habits in members of the Host society
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Feb 20, 2024 15:36:17 GMT
vikingeck your rightmost 1-shilling emerald is particularly nice as is your 6-penny bright mauve pair, a recent “Christmas present” if I recall correctly.
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