JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Feb 23, 2024 0:10:07 GMT
I have only one triangle, for example, but it is a nice one.  Cape of Good Hope, Sc 13, 4-pence dark blue |
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Mar 9, 2024 15:48:43 GMT
I recently added 4 triangulars to my collection. From L to R, top to Bottom per seller descriptions:
1d Brown carmine
6d SG7 Pale Rose Lilac
4d Scott 4
4d Scott 4e Bright Blue
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I bought the 1d as I liked the color and the crisp bank cancel.
The SG7 has what was described as with a crease, which was visible in the listing. It runs from G of POSTAGE through D of GOOD. I thought the "crease" was a bit odd as it was not linear as one might expect but showed some meandering as if created by a foreign object such as a string. I thought I would take a chance. I can find no evidence of such an object although the "crease" is definitely 3 dimensional in depth on the back. A redeeming feature is strong marginal watermark lines (Seller image added)
The Scott 4 had pleasing color and margins as did the Scott 4e Bright Blue.
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All 4 have had a reasonable H2O2 bath.
Take the color reproduction with a grain of salt as My scanner is notvery accurate.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 9, 2024 17:24:48 GMT
Very nice, JeffS ! Congratulations on landing some beautiful stamps there! Just wanted to comment on the seller-described SG7 Pale Rose Lilac. I think this stamp is much more likely to be an SG7c Slate Lilac on Blued Paper. The color definitely has the slate-gray component to it, and there are some spots of bluing evident on the back. It is a very nice stamp, crease or no crease, but I think clearly one of the slate color shades. I will post a side-by-side comparison for you later today. 
Edit: I also forgot to say thanks for re-posting my old first post in this thread from 2019, back when I had a grand total of one Cape Triangle! It has indeed been quite a journey since then! It has been a fun one for me, and I have learned a lot since then, and hopefully still learning. Thanks to you, and Alex ( vikingeck) and Jim ( jkjblue) and Warren ( wm) and everyone else who has spurred me on along the way! It has been the most rewarding philatelic journey of my life to date. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 10, 2024 16:04:56 GMT
COGH Perkins Bacon 6d Color ShadesThanks for your patience, JeffS. I got busy with some other things yesterday, but I am back this morning to show you some 6d color-shade examples from my collection, including one that I have not posted before.  Top left: COGH, SG7 Pale Rose Lilac; Top right: COGH, SG7b Deep Rose Lilac Bottom left: COGH, SG7c Slate Lilac; Bottom right: COGH, SG7d Slate Purple All of the above are my identifications. In some cases, those IDs agreed with the dealer's opinion, and in some cases not. The SG7b is a bit blotchy in color, but I think it illustrates how fading can occur, so I have found it valuable in that regard. Bottom line is that I still think that your latest one looks most like the SG7c and not much at all like the SG7 as the dealer had listed it. Back to my bunch here, the big question is whether the bottom right is a real SG7d or not. The Slate Purple is one of those shades whose existence has been questioned by some of the Cape Triangle specialists. I am still hoping to do a color quantification analysis on this stamp at some point to see if that can shed any light on whether it is different from the SG7c or not.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Mar 10, 2024 16:48:29 GMT
Hi Chris Beryllium Guy and thank you for your romments on my 6d. You wrote, " I still think that your latest one looks most like the SG7c and not much at all like the SG7 as the dealer had listed it." which I certainly concurr with. I was suspicious about the SG7 designation when I saw it online and certainly after receiving it. And it is a seller description error definitely in my favor, not that it matters that much due to the "crease"
I can definitely see a variance in shade from your bottom 2 specimens. However the price difference between SG7c and SG7d isn't all that great or significant as the triangularr SG values seem to be heavily discounted across the board.
Thank you for taking time to post your images of your exceptionally nice examples. In a much earlier post you mentioned that you were especially fold of large margin triangulars, a craving which I too share. I recall a posting by an expert on another site who said that spending money on less than 3-margin examples is a foolish.
At a later time I would be interested in reading a discussion of why the triangulars are so highly discounted fron SG prices. But at this moment I suspect that is so across the board for clasic British Empire stamps.
Thanks again, JeffS
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Mar 11, 2024 22:52:09 GMT
A 26 GBP forgery? Thats what it just sold for.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 12, 2024 18:48:15 GMT
Sorry for my delayed response, JeffS It's hard to tell from your latest image what this is. If it's a forgery, then I think it must be made from a scanned image of a genuine example. The image is very woolly, and the color is a very deep, dark blue. If it is genuine, then I am thinking it is likely an SG19 or potentially SG19b Slate Blue. The problem for me is that the paper doesn't look right. I can't tell if it is stained, foxed, discolored, or photographed in poor lighting (or some combination of all those). In any case, at least to my perception, the image looks like it comes from a genuine Cape Triangle. Without an image of the back or the ability to examine the item, it is quite difficult to draw conclusions. That's just my opinion, and of course, others are welcome!
Edit: I should also add that I recently received a multiple of "facsimile" Cape Triangles in an eBay lot. They looked genuine in the seller's photo, and there was nothing in the lot description about them. When I got them, it was clear that they were printed from scanned images of genuine stamps. I note that there is another eBay seller who is asking GBP 3.50 per copy for such facsimiles. In a photo, these can be tough to differentiate from genuine stamps. |
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Mar 12, 2024 21:39:04 GMT
Beryllium Guy Hi chris, thank you for your insight, I should have posted the back as well which is  which to me looks nothing like the real thing.
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Post by michael on Mar 13, 2024 10:56:22 GMT
Thought this might be of interest on the 'sack of capes' story, from an article by Fred Melville in the 8 March 1913 edition of The Postage Stamp following the death of Edward Stanley Gibbons. 
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 13, 2024 16:28:41 GMT
Thanks for posting that image of the back, JeffSThis would seem to confirm my suspicion that something is not right about the paper. For one thing, there is no hint of a watermark visible, which is certainly an indicator of something amiss, although it is not absolute, as there are known examples without the watermark. The more intriguing point to me is to note that the brown discoloration of the stamp only seems to affect the margins and the back but not the printed image on the front. I would have expected the discoloration to be visible in the lettering and/or the image of Hope. This leads me to suggest that perhaps this stamp has been trimmed and re-backed, which would account for a genuine-looking image but faulty paper. What do you think? |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 30, 2024 16:25:07 GMT
Won at auction recently and arrived today, this SG 2 exemplar: 
And by popular demand, the back of the stamp:  |
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 30, 2024 16:58:59 GMT
Nice clear margins with a light cancel. The cancel looks like the later “barred oval” type used in the 1860s period rather than the usual triangular CGH type . So possibly not SG2. How blue is the back of the stamp? EDIT. following the post from xacs of April 3rd , I guess I was wrong with mis identifying it as a barred oval cancel (BOC) . I can see it is an inverted and incomplete triangle cancel after all .Apologies. |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 31, 2024 7:49:12 GMT
Quite blue. That's the first thing I checked. |
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Post by michael on Mar 31, 2024 9:15:30 GMT
Quite blue. That's the first thing I checked.
I'm trying to understand the bluing effect (see the Barbados thread), could we see a scan of the back please?
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 31, 2024 15:00:28 GMT
I edited the original post to include a scan of the back of stamp.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Mar 31, 2024 16:07:26 GMT
I edited the original post to include a scan of the back of stamp. Very nice bluing! |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 31, 2024 16:13:04 GMT
nice Cameo effect
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 31, 2024 16:50:15 GMT
Very nice stamp, Xavier ( hrdoktorx).... I congratulate you! The bluing looks great. It's a very sharp print, too, with unobtrusive cancel. It's nicer than the one in my collection! |
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Post by xacs on Apr 3, 2024 7:15:48 GMT
Nice clear margins with a light cancel. The cancel looks like the later “barred oval” type used in the 1860s period rather than the usual triangular CGH type . So possibly not SG2. How blue is the back of the stamp? Does look a bit like a BOC but on closer inspection can see it is in fact a light typical cape triangular cancel, inverted when viewing the stamp as shown so no indication of late use. Very Nice! |
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Apr 4, 2024 19:44:53 GMT
A new addition:
I found this piece compelling with the 2 COGH postmarks, WELLINGTON DE 7 1858 and CAPETOWN the next day, cut from a stamped folded letter, with a 2-margin copy of SG6, Perkins Bacon printing.
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