marbles
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Post by marbles on Feb 28, 2024 14:57:31 GMT
I would like to know how to arrange the African albums eg. East, west, south, southern and northern. Would you put them in separate albums ie, east etc or try and get a few in a large album. Having inherited a lot of stamp collections I am trying my hardest to organise so we can find it easier to look at and buy the ones that are missing (apart from the ££££ ones).
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 28, 2024 15:09:48 GMT
I'd arrange alphabetically by country.
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marbles
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Post by marbles on Feb 28, 2024 16:08:26 GMT
Thanks good idea instead of br east, west etc. also is Southern Africa the same as South Africa. Silly question I know
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bafletcher
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Post by bafletcher on Feb 28, 2024 16:13:06 GMT
I think it depends on your goal.
I collect the world, and I am a "completist" (goal to have completed albums with all -- at least all affordable -- issues from each country). For my purposes, I have decided to create my own albums (using Steiner templates). Each country has its own album (e.g., "Algeria") and each area (e.g., Africa) has its own font color. So all of my African albums are by individual country and the country name is in green. At a glance I can see which areas are on my shelves (looking for green fonts), and everything (from all areas; e.g., Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Africa, etc.) is alphabetized so I can easily find an individual country as I need it.
That what works for me ... good luck to you!
Bart
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Post by greaden on Feb 28, 2024 16:27:22 GMT
I've divided mine by region, and then by colonizer and historical period. Neighboring countries often have related histories, or interestingly similar or contrasting stamps.
North Africa, which could be split into the former French possessions and those more oriented to the Middle east: Libya, Egypt, Sudan.
Horn of Africa (Obock, Afars and Issas, Djibouti, French Somali Coast are practically the same place.)
South and East: mostly former British colonies.
West and Central: French zone vs the other colonizers in the area.
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Post by greaden on Feb 28, 2024 16:30:15 GMT
Thanks good idea instead of br east, west etc. also is Southern Africa the same as South Africa. Silly question I know Southern Africa includes all the territories that were united as South Africa as well as a few that stayed separate such as Botswana, Swaziland/eswatini, Lesotho. Zimbabwe, Mozambique (and its components), Angola, Malawi, and Zambia are also part of the region.
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marbles
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Post by marbles on Feb 28, 2024 16:36:04 GMT
Some really good ideas I am going to seriously think about this and ask hubby as they are his stamps do to speak. We started with the As and this one I find horrendous but going to fill in the blanks but not with the high values which are ridiculously priced ££££. If I win the lottery I might consider. Also if you buy an expensive stamp of over £200 would you go to a dealer to see it first instead of trusting eBay
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Post by banknoteguy on Feb 28, 2024 17:22:02 GMT
Buying on eBay can be a crap-shoot. Not every dealer is totally honest and very few describe even major faults in stamps they list. And there are some sellers who are outright criminals. You have to carefully examine photos and return items that are not as described i.e., come with creases or tears or worse that were not visible in the photos posted. Even if the seller is an outright fraud -- eBay & Paypal will make sure you get your money back. I buy on eBay regularly and return maybe 5% of what I buy. Never failed to get a refund although a couple times eBay/PayPal had to eat the cost. And this supposes you can tell if something is a fake -- there are lots of fakes sold on eBay.
But you can find bargains.
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 28, 2024 17:58:21 GMT
I would like to know how to arrange the African albums eg. East, west, south, southern and northern. Would you put them in separate albums ie, east etc or try and get a few in a large album. Having inherited a lot of stamp collections I am trying my hardest to organise so we can find it easier to look at and buy the ones that are missing (apart from the ££££ ones). It is your collection. What you feel most comfortable with is likely to give you most joy. Alphabetical order is an easy way to find where you put them as you look at what it says on the stamp and you know where to find others from the same country. If your stamps are from British Africa and you use a Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth Catalogue, you might consider the same order as the catalogue. But that may involve knowing how countries split or united, and how they changed their names, or drive you mad going through the index of the catalogue and still having trouble finding the section.
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 28, 2024 18:02:13 GMT
Some really good ideas I am going to seriously think about this and ask hubby as they are his stamps do to speak. We started with the As and this one I find horrendous but going to fill in the blanks but not with the high values which are ridiculously priced ££££. If I win the lottery I might consider. Also if you buy an expensive stamp of over £200 would you go to a dealer to see it first instead of trusting eBay Unless it is a reputable dealer who probably has his own website on which the stamp is offered at a lower price, I would be very careful to buy expensive stamps on Ebay. There are all kinds of pitfalls when buying on Ebay. And apart from the crooks, there are a lot of sellers that cannot discern a stamp from a post-it memo.
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Feb 28, 2024 22:05:44 GMT
Great question marbles. Organization is something I obsess over, to the detriment of actually forming a collection. There really are no rules, but as others have mentioned, it depends on your goals. Goals for your collection and for what you need from the organization. If you want to find out what you have for King George VI Bechuanaland, then alphabetical and by set / catalogue order will get you to that stamp quickly. If you want to collect one of each (excluding the rarities), then having room to fill spaces is a good idea. I'm following a different path and trying to tell a series of stories with the stamps I have. For the most part, I'm only buying new stamps to improve the story rather than complete a set. So more thematic in spirit, I guess. So for me, my Africa collection is sorted by UN region (South, Central, East, etc.) and then countries are ordered based on an imaginary route around each region, as part of a Round the World trip. Each country section tries to tell the story of how that area was colonized, gained independence, the people who live there, etc. So I think of colonial stamps as forerunners to the current stamps, much as Nova Scotia stamps are forerunners of Canada. And yes, that imposes some tricky decisions about what to do with Kenya-Uganda-Tanginyka stamps but oh well. If you're looking at filling spaces, completing sets, etc. then organizing everything so you can find what you have/need might take a higher priority. But you can't go wrong so long as it makes sense to you and gives you joy. PS- from a TSF perspective, any method which makes it easy to scan and share pics of what you have is a good system!
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clivel
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Post by clivel on Feb 29, 2024 1:26:20 GMT
Thanks good idea instead of br east, west etc. also is Southern Africa the same as South Africa. Silly question I know As already mentioned by greaden South Africa is a country in its own right, whereas Southern Africa refers to the southern part of the African continent which encompasses a number of countries including South Africa. Similar to how North America includes both the United States of America as well as Canada. South Africa as a collecting area encompasses a number of entities each of which could be a an independent collection in its own right.
South Africa also includes a number of short lived, but postally interesting entities not listed above, e.g New Republic, Pietersburg, Zululand, Mafeking Siege etc.
Clive
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2024 2:11:50 GMT
I am a worldwide collector, Organisation is imperative to the speed in which I can pick an album, to update new stamps
This is how I have approached (A very challenging) Album Location.
Each discrete African postal emission, demands more space in an album (Togo demands possibly 3 albums etc)
I have a database, you may / may not be able to imitate
But it is simplicity itself, copy the list of countries, and alongside write the Album to which it belongs That way you can never lose direction as to where a country lies.
Make it as extensive or simple as you like
Africa
Algeria Angola Azores Basutoland Bechuanaland Protectorate Belgian Congo Benin - Later Dahomey British Bechuanaland British Central Africa British East Africa British South Africa Burkina Faso (Upper Volta) Burundi Cameroon Cameroun Cape Verde Islands Cape Verde Islands Cape Verde islands Central African Empire Central African Republic Comores Islands Comoro Islands Congo (People's Republic of Congo) Populaire Congo Brazzaville Congo Kinshasha (Democratic Republic) Cyrenaica East Africa and Uganda Protectorates Vol 2 Egypt Egypt & UAR Egypt Revenues Equatorial Guinea Ethiopia Fernando Poo France 05 Congo France Anjouan France French West Africa (Occidental) French Equatorial Africa French Gabon French Middle Congo French Offices Abroad~Egypt Ghana Gold Coast Griqualand West Guinea Rep Horta Inhambane Italian East Africa Italy~East Africa Ivory Coast Katanga Kenya Kenya Uganda Tanganyika Kenya Uganda Tanzania Lagos Lesotho~Basutoland Liberia Libya~Tripolotania Morocco (1956 onwards) Morocco Agencies (Listed after Great Britain) Mozambique Mozambique Company Namibia (Was South West Africa) Namibia (Was South West Africa) Natal & Revenue Niger Northern Nigeria Nyasaland Nyasaland Protectorate Nyassa Nyassa Company Portuguese Africa Portuguese Congo Portuguese Guinea Rhodesia Rhodesia and Nyasaland Rio de Oro Rio Muni Rwanda Saint Thomas and Prince Islands Sierra Leone Somali Coast (Afars and Issas) Djibouti Somalia Somaliland Protectorate South Africa 01 (RSA) South Africa 02 Bophuthatswana South Africa 03 Ciskei South Africa 03 Transkei South Africa 04 Venda South Africa 07 South Kasai South Africa 08 South West Africa (Namibia) South Africa 11 Swaziland South Africa 12 Tanzania South Africa 14 Botswana South Africa 15 Cape of Good Hope (COGH) South Africa Chad Tchad South Africa Northern Rhodesia south africa rev Southern Nigeria Southern Rhodesia Spain Melilla Spanish Morocco (Tanger) Spanish West Africa Stellaland Sudan Tanganiyka Tangier Togo Transvaal Tunisia Zaire Zambezia Zambia Zanzibar Zimbabwe
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 29, 2024 6:20:22 GMT
My African stamps are arranged alphabetically by country (at least by starting letter), and for several countries I have enough holdings to devote a full stock-book to it, and then it is the stock-books themselves that are in strict alphabetical order. I did make two exceptions to group all the former states now joined as South Africa together, including the bantoustans and its former dependency of South West Africa, and another for the "Somali" countries which include all countries with Somali in their names, so the Côte Française des Somalis, British Somaliland, Italian Somalia, and current Somalia.
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 29, 2024 6:58:55 GMT
I am a worldwide collector, Organisation is imperative to the speed in which I can pick an album, to update new stamps This is how I have approached (A very challenging) Album Location. Each discrete African postal emission, demands more space in an album (Togo demands possibly 3 albums etc) I have a database, you may / may not be able to imitate But it is simplicity itself, copy the list of countries, and alongside write the Album to which it belongs That way you can never lose direction as to where a country lies. Make it as extensive or simple as you like Africa Azores Horta That is an interesting choice. I would never put them there. The islands are on the junction of the Eurasian, North-American, and African tectonic plates. Geographically there are as many reasons to put them in Africa as there are to put them in North-America or Europe. The nearest mainland is Portugal. The distance to Portugal is about 1,400 kms., whereas that to Morocco is about 1,500 kms. They were uninhabited until Europeans settled on the islands. Anthropologically, they are in Europe. They are an autonomous region of Portugal and have never been a country. Politically, they are in Europe as well. The listing after Great Britain makes sense. These agencies were run first by the post office in Gibraltar and later by the GPO in London. The stamps that retained their Sterling face values became valid postage in the UK.
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clivel
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Post by clivel on Feb 29, 2024 7:37:39 GMT
I am a worldwide collector, .... Africa Not wishing to offend, but I spotted several errors and omissions relating to Southern Africa in your list that I hope you will find helpful.
Bechuanaland Protectorate -> Botswana - and is not part of South Africa British Bechuanaland -> incorporated into South Africa British Central Africa -> Nyasaland -> Malawi British South Africa Company -> Rhodesia -> Southern Rhodesia -> Zimbabwe Griqualand West -> incorporated into into South Africa Inhambane -> Mozambique Kionga -> Mozambique
Mozambique Company -> Mozambique Northern Rhodesia -> Zambia - and is not part of South Africa
South West Africa -> Namibia Natal -> South Africa Nyassa Company -> Mozambique
Swaziland -> Eswatini - and is not part of South Africa Stellaland -> South Africa Transvaal -> South Africa Orange Free State -> South Africa (omitted)
Orange River Colony -> South Africa (omitted)
Union of South Africa (omitted) Zambezia-> Mozambique Tanzania, South Kasai and Chad are not in South Africa Clive
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2024 9:37:17 GMT
No offence taken. (and thanks for your suggestions) I'll use some of your points Clive What is missed, is the intention of the regime, not the perfection, not the tectonic plates, or anything else. The cynosure is for the reader to pick out what emissions are pertinent to their collection make a list, and have an adjoining column where their album carrying that collection is held. It could be South Africa discrete, or French Africa, or whatever The list covers what I use for the continent of Africa, and close countries. It can be segregated as whomever wishes. This was just a quick subset of the 600 or so countries I have to indicate where the album lies For example: My French West Africa Album, lies in a cabinet not far from my France Albums, no where near Africa, but it has it's own location, and shares the album with other smaller African stamp issuers. Perhaps a further explanation, is as follows, I have 5 German Albums Something turns up in a swap, German Ephemera, where do I put it ? Based on my list strategy I may find it (place it) in any of the 5 albums perhaps Album 3 that holds the following
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angore
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Post by angore on Feb 29, 2024 11:13:19 GMT
I do it alphabetically for now but could see organized like French West Africa (colony, independence, etc).
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 29, 2024 11:32:13 GMT
rod222Do you have the plethora of German stamps overprinted for use in WWII occupied countries and territories in the other 'Germany' albums?
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Post by salmantino on Feb 29, 2024 11:46:41 GMT
I do it alphabetically for now but could see organized like French West Africa (colony, independence, etc). Questions that arise with such colonial organisation, eventually, run into trouble when colonies changed hands. Germany lost its colonies after World War I. These became colonies or protectorates of other countries. Cameroon was a German colony. It became a protectorate of France and the UK. Is it German (Central) Africa, British (Central) Africa, or French (Central) Africa? Similarly, where do you put Libya? It was an Ottoman territory, it became an Italian colony, parts were governed by British and by French troops, then it united and became Libya.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2024 12:16:41 GMT
rod222 Do you have the plethora of German stamps overprinted for use in WWII occupied countries and territories in the other 'Germany' albums? Just the normal ones, sometimes just a page, depending what turns up in swaps. I follow William Steiner-who follows Scott east africa ea Belgian occup Berlin China Morocco Turkey Belgian Estonia Latvia Poland Ukraine Zante
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2024 12:24:49 GMT
Quote: Questions that arise with such colonial organisation, eventually, run into trouble when colonies changed hands.
Never. The Scott Catalogue has an entry for all. Ergo William Steiner has an Album Page for all
The only problem lies with the collector, where to place that album page
That was what my list was about, How to place those pages in appropriate albums and list where they lie, and retrieve them at will. Simplicity
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Post by salmantino on Feb 29, 2024 14:36:56 GMT
Quote: Questions that arise with such colonial organisation, eventually, run into trouble when colonies changed hands. Never. The Scott Catalogue has an entry for all. Ergo William Steiner has an Album Page for all The only problem lies with the collector, where to place that album page That was what my list was about, How to place those pages in appropriate albums and list where they lie, and retrieve them at will. Simplicity If someone suggests to put a current country in his 'French Africa' you DO run into trouble when the country was not only a colony of France. William Steiner nor Scott decides which colonial power a collector assigns his country to when it had more than one colonial power.
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Post by Admin on Feb 29, 2024 16:06:31 GMT
It has become apparent, at least to me, that there is no "correct" answer to the question of how a collector should organize his or her collection.
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marbles
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Post by marbles on Feb 29, 2024 16:18:45 GMT
Wow a lot to consider on how to do it. As I am not very good at geology we might just start with the alphabet on each country and put africa at the top ie west Africa etc. such a newbie at this. We do have a lot to sort out. Thank you all for your suggestions
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Post by djcmh on Feb 29, 2024 16:22:56 GMT
Easiest in my opinion is to work from the modern nation states and then include any and all colonial antecedents within the same volume. So for example my album for Cameroun starts with the German colonials, then the British and French occupation in WWI, then French mandate, then the South Cameroon UK mandate issue, and finally the republic.
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 29, 2024 16:53:07 GMT
Or you can just do it alphabetically and forget about the degree in history.
I can understand the reasoning and, probably, would organise it that way. But I would not call it the easiest way.
To a teen who loves the pics and does not care about the background I would say 'Welcome to the hobby. Just do as you like. Enjoy the hobby and do not feel obliged to do what we have been doing for years and have become entrenched in. You are the future of the hobby. With the years, you will find your style of collecting.'
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Post by angore on Mar 1, 2024 11:35:00 GMT
The good news is if you do not like they way it is arranged then you can change it. It can depend. For example, for Malaysia, I could see having Sabah, Brunei, Sarawak, etc with Malaysia. I also keep the Strait Settlements in the same two binders with Malaysia.
Since I use Steiner pages (US Letter size), I also use standard dividers (not the prettiest) to separate countries binders when not in alphabetical order.
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marbles
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Post by marbles on Mar 2, 2024 13:45:16 GMT
I have just finished transferring from old albums to new but have not arranged them yet. Some or most are okay where his dad put them ie, South Africa etc. I think we are going to put them alphabetically though with me not being good at geography etc. I have put them in glass pockets to protect the ones not in. Who thought there was so many stamps lol if anyone is willing to help please let me know lol
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marbles
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Post by marbles on Mar 19, 2024 15:59:47 GMT
Can anyone help as I have put these together but 2 of them the 1d and 2halfd do not have crowns. I have looked in the Stanley gibbons book and it does not say. Many thanks
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