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Post by rod222 on Apr 1, 2024 3:01:48 GMT
Great Britain Postmarks Can any members solve TUETON ST BO W1 (London Postmark) (Tueton Street, Branch Office W1) Dashed if I can find any Tueton street in London? Steel coiled rope counter pmk Stanley Gibbons 1413 1988 5 pound block of 4  |
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Post by daniel on Apr 1, 2024 4:28:45 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Apr 1, 2024 10:52:51 GMT
Dear me  Thanks Daniel ! Tufton Street, the northern part of which was known as Bowling Alley until 1870, was built by Sir Richard Tufton (1585–1631), an English lawyer and politician who sat in the House of Commons at various times between 1614 and 1629. What is Tufton Street famous for? 67 Tufton Street, originally a Post Office, was subsequently occupied by the Cabinet Office. It is now an apartment complex. Today, the street is best known as a centre for Brexit-related eurosceptic and right-wing aligned think-tanks. These groups are primarily based in 55 and 57 Tufton Street. Colonel Blood, best known for his attempt to steal the Crown Jewels from the Tower of London, lived in Tufton Street. One of London's notorious cock-fighting pits was located here until as late as 1815. Google maps fail to show any post office in Tufton Street ...... very strange.....My Postmark is dated 1989  |
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Post by daniel on Apr 20, 2024 3:42:37 GMT
There is much going on with this cover, Paquebot, North Western Federation of Philatelic Societies and Post Restante. It is the latter for which I am posting it here. This cover has a nice Poste Restante, P.R., Manchester postmark for 22 May 1971 plus Paquebot, another Manchester postmark, a Convention handstamp and a Posted on the High Seas mark.  |
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Post by rod222 on May 4, 2024 4:36:41 GMT
Fylde of Lancashire   link |
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Post by daniel on Jun 5, 2024 23:33:30 GMT
Colliery Postmarks are a subject unto themselves. A colliery is described as a coalmine and its associated buildings. Here are two examples from County Durham, a postcard from Bearpark Colliery shown as a separate handstamp and a Durham cancelled postage stamp, from July 23rd 1908. The red George V stamp has ben cancelled with a New Brancepeth Colliery postmark dated February 12th 1913.   |
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Post by daniel on Jun 5, 2024 23:38:33 GMT
Here's a catalogue for Colliery Postmarks by F W Taylor  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 13, 2024 0:57:09 GMT
Another Colliery postmark on a pair of of 1960 1/6 Europa stamps. This time from Newstead Colliery in Nottingham (which would show at the bottom of the handstamp) and the information inside the inner ring would be A/ 14 10/60.  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 17, 2024 0:43:53 GMT
Relating to the above posts on Colliery Postmarks, here is a Colliery Token for Bevercotes Colliery in Nottinghamshire. It also shows N.C.B., the National Coal Board which was formed in 1946 to control the nationalised coal mining industry. It existed up until 1987. Tokens or Checks or Tallies were originally assigned to each underground worker. At the start of each shift the token would be exchanged for a similarly numbered lamp. At the end of the shift the lamp would be handed in and the token retrieved. This was an important safety measure. Later 3 tokens were used , one exchanged for the lamp, one kept by a 'banksman' and the third kept on the miner.
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Jun 19, 2024 23:14:31 GMT
This cover, sent from Yokohama, Japan to Brighton, England in 1912 has a handstamp with 4D and 132 underneath. Are any of our members who specialize in Great Britain postal markings able to offer me more information about this hand stamp? Is it a postage due marking? It is unusual or fairly common for letters received in GB at this time? Does the 132 designate a specific post office or city/town? Edit: I went back to the start of this thread and found the following link: redirect.viglink.com/?key=713b9e171d0c70c534903850e38fda93&subId=5386724&u=http%3A//www.gbps.org.uk/information/po-numbers/I was able to identify the number 132 as the number of the Brighton post office which makes sense. I am still curious about the 4D and what it represents.  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 20, 2024 0:05:15 GMT
Darrin, darkormex , it is, indeed, a charge/postage due mark applied in Brighton (132), as you say. The charge is 4 denarii (derived from ancient Roman currency), that is 4 (old) pence. Daniel |
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Post by darkormex on Jun 20, 2024 0:28:20 GMT
daniel , thank you for your help. This brings up another question...as far as I can tell from the charts I am referencing in the Japanese Stamp Specialized Catalogue, this 2 sen rate is the proper rate for this letter to be sent to England at that time. This would have been the rate for printed matter which sort of implies business correspondence. However, one could argue, based on the fact that there is a message on the front of the cover and no pre-printed business address, that this should have been sent at the overseas letter rate which was 4 sen. How would it have been determined that this cover was postage due by the Brighton post office? Edit: I am getting answers from multiple sources and pulling my understanding of this together. Here is from comments from the Japanese Philately FB group: The correct rate would have been 10 sen (2-1/2 pence). Since the cover was franked with only 2 sen(1/2 penny), the cover was short 8 sen(2 pence). Hence recipient was charged 4 pence, the equivalent of twice the shortfall.
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Post by daniel on Jul 5, 2024 23:20:26 GMT
The 1894 Coded Time System in English Provincial Offices A time code system based on the Telegraphic Time Codes was trialled in Liverpool in 1892 and introduced nationally in 1894. The following table shows the basic coding that was used:  In addition, there was a new symbol, shown in the examples below (I've used the letter x since the actual symbol doesn't appear on my keyboard), which was used to separate the code from am and pm. Midday was represented by M x P and Midnight by M x A. Here are some examples, all from1894:  Taunton I x P is 9pm, Hastings FxP is 6pm, Gravesend LLxP is 11.55pm, Nottingham GCxP is 7.15pm and Budleigh Salterton is 7.30pm. The second row shows Bradford 1.45 pm but I'm unsure as to what the the number 3 means. The final one, from Brighton, may or may not be a time code and I cannot decipher it. Daniel |
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Post by rod222 on Jul 5, 2024 23:36:59 GMT
daniel Lovely collection of S.O.N. postmarks with Time codes ! Super. Would that be a broken asterisk, after B3 ? * 
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Post by daniel on Jul 5, 2024 23:57:43 GMT
Hi rod222 , the final stamp has B, what looks like a 3 but with a couple of straight lines followed by a cross on a line? My reference is The Use of The 1894 Coded Time System in English Provincial Offices by John A E Moy. In this book, he shows the symbol to be a large X with a dot in each segment. He further shows, that with wear, this can look like a large asterix, my word, there are similar variations that were used. None of which match the symbol on the last stamp. Thanks, Daniel |
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Post by rod222 on Jul 6, 2024 1:20:39 GMT
daniel Yes I see, I was thinking it was the cross without the dots, but it is a cross, not an X (shucks) I do have problems with that postmark though, it appears to me, to maybe have been repaired at some time, the "3" is like no other I have seen, and sundry characters seem either light, or heavily inked. We shall never know. I was only reading yesterday, (and immediately forgotten) That Perkins Bacon made the postal hammers for one country I failed to record it in my perkins bacon file.  PS my time code was courtesy of Alan (The philatelic web) which has now disappeared.
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Post by Hugh on Jul 6, 2024 11:56:17 GMT
A time code system based on the Telegraphic Time Codes was trialled in Liverpool in 1892 and introduced nationally in 1894. Hi daniel rod222 ... would you happen to know how long this system was in place? If I've got the date right, I see from the following cancel that the standard time stamp was being used, at least in London, by the end of 1901. When was the swtich made? Or was it that the Telegraphic Codes were only used in the counties outisde of London?  |
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Post by daniel on Jul 6, 2024 14:14:59 GMT
Hugh , in December 1894, the Post Office authorised the use of plain time. This would be subject to recutting handstamps and so, in some cases, was done gradually. Time codes can be seen up to 1910. Daniel
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Post by daniel on Jul 13, 2024 1:52:42 GMT
London District initials were introduced on duplex postmarks in 1857. This would be of great help when you consider that there were about 50 King Streets and 50 Queen Streets, for example, in London. There were ten districts: East Central, West Central, Northern, Southern, Eastern, North-Eastern, South-Eastern, Western, North-Western and South-Western. Here is an example of one from the Western district with a sideways date stamp stating London, the time, 10 in the morning, the date, January 27th 1860 and the obliterator showing the district and a handstamp number on a penny red. The letter was sent to a solicitor on New Broad Street, East Central in the City of London.  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 1, 2024 1:04:39 GMT
 The "AZEMAR" Cancellation of G.B. (1869-1872)
M.R. Hewlett, B.A.William Ree of Hamburg (Unable to offer source / Ownership, this is from 2008, when I was beginning, I was gobbling up info as it came to hand) From "Stamp Collecting" May 20th 1976   |
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Post by gbcc on Aug 1, 2024 4:39:54 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Sept 21, 2024 14:44:17 GMT
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It's a pity the cancellation on the front is unclear. Fast service in those days though??
Hi It has stumped me, I have checked England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland dashed if I can crack it. Something like "GREAT  ??FIELD" It is one of the longest Pmk names on record, surprised I cannot crack it First Letter could be a "C" or "G" The second letter may be an "H" rather than an "R" ie "CHESTER" ? OR "GREATER"    
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Post by Hugh on Sept 21, 2024 17:04:53 GMT
drblade Quote
It's a pity the cancellation on the front is unclear. Fast service in those days though??
 Hi It has stumped me, I have checked England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland dashed if I can crack it. Something like "GREAT ??FIELD" It is one of the longest Pmk names on record, surprised I cannot crack it First Letter could be a "C" or "G" The second letter may be an "H" rather than an "R" ie "CHESTER" ? OR "GREATER" The numbered obliterator on the front looks like '112' which is the assigned number for Braintree. [Hendy Vol 2, p. 156] So, was the obliterator used when it got to Braintree when it was noticed that the stamp had not been 'cancelled'? Or (more likely in my view) was it actually sent from Braintree? A sub-office perhaps? That would explain the speedy service. In which case it might be GREAT BARDFIELD -- a village near Braintree. [Edit: Now closed, the Old Post Office in Great Bardfield (6730 High Street) is listed on the National Heritage List for England. It now serves as a restaurant and an apartment.] |
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Post by drblade on Sept 21, 2024 17:43:13 GMT
drblade Quote
It's a pity the cancellation on the front is unclear. Fast service in those days though??
Hi It has stumped me, I have checked England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland dashed if I can crack it. Something like "GREAT ??FIELD" It is one of the longest Pmk names on record, surprised I cannot crack it First Letter could be a "C" or "G" The second letter may be an "H" rather than an "R" ie "CHESTER" ? OR "GREATER" The numbered obliterator on the front looks like '112' which is the assigned number for Braintree. [Hendy Vol 2, p. 156] So, was the obliterator used when it got to Braintree when it was noticed that the stamp had not been 'cancelled'? Or (more likely in my view) was it actually sent from Braintree? A sub-office perhaps? That would explain the speedy service. In which case it might be GREAT BARDFIELD -- a village near Braintree. Hi Hugh rod222 I think the last name GREAT BARDFIELD seems to be the best option. I've just had the cover under a uv lamp ( ) & there seems to be a bigger gap than usual between the E & A of GREAT + the B of BARDFIELD seemed to be more apparent when under the lamp. |
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Post by rod222 on Sept 21, 2024 20:53:45 GMT
Hugh You are a legend !  I was only lying in bed this morning, thinking about microplastics, my "burgoo" (Navy : Rolled Oats) and that blessed postmark. It dawned on me, due to the same date, it had to be a local missive, so I should, on getting up, search Essex postmarks. You saved me all that. What this has really done, is to expose the tragedy, of the loss of "The Philatelic Database " Allan Oliver's tour de force of Brit Postmarks we could have solved that in seconds, now all that brilliant work of Allan's, appears to have been lost  I checked all my pmk data, some 6000 post offices, the only BARD came up was LOMBARD St so, it highlights just how many pmks are missing from modern lists Hugh, I would like to know how you solved it, It is not in HENDY or ESTRANGE EWEN etc Well done my man! So, was the obliterator used when it got to Braintree when it was noticed that the stamp had not been 'cancelled'?That was my interpretation. Variety GT BARDFIELD PMK ebay 
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Post by Hugh on Sept 21, 2024 22:18:44 GMT
I was only lying in bed this morning, thinking about microplastics, my "burgoo" (Navy : Rolled Oats) and that blessed postmark. It dawned on me, due to the same date, it had to be a local missive, so I should, on getting up, search Essex postmarks. You saved me all that. Hugh, I would like to know how you solved it, It is not in HENDY or ESTRANGE EWEN etc First, oatmeal yumm! It's still summer here. I look forward to waking up to rolled oats (and Maple Sugar ... Canada, eh?) in another couple of months. Second, I just did what you were about to do. If it arrived that fast it had to be nearby. And, if it had the same numbered obliterator as the destination PO, it seemed logical it might be a sub-office. So, I just did a search of all towns in Essex ... found it right away. It was nine miles from the main PO. Cheers, |
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Post by rod222 on Sept 22, 2024 3:13:21 GMT
"Every stamp, tells a story" Postmark : "GREAT BARDFIELD" This man........  Is said to have given, this young lady.........  Great Bardfield, as a divorce settlement Henry Vlll and Anne of Cleves She outlived all his other wives. |
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Post by daniel on Nov 9, 2024 2:42:44 GMT
Various Scottish postmarks on Royal Mail Collection Lists from 1995 Inshes, Inverness; Aviemore, Inverness-Shire; Carr Bridge Inverness-Shire; Newtonmore, Inverness-Shire; Kinggussie, Invernessshire and Lochluichart, Garve, Ross-Shire. Daniel  |
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Post by daniel on Nov 9, 2024 3:33:19 GMT
This is the cover and a sample page of a Post Office 'Date Stamp Impressions' booklet. I believe that it was used in Post Offices to ensure that the date of all handstamps was correctly moved on each day. This particular booklet was used by Turriff Post Office in Aberdeenshire. They only had four date stamps, two general handstamps plus one for parcels and one for Registered mail.   Daniel |
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