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Post by tallanent on Jan 31, 2016 19:06:24 GMT
The 8 Nt 8 CDS and the hand struck 2 are now both listed in the database
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Post by zipper on Jan 31, 2016 21:33:41 GMT
Allan, would you like me to list the back folded properly?
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Post by tallanent on Jan 31, 2016 21:52:41 GMT
Would be great if you could scan the mark as applied with the letter folded .... I will then update the scan in the DB ...
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Post by zipper on Jan 31, 2016 22:18:05 GMT
You got it, Alan.  |
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Post by rod222 on Jan 31, 2016 22:36:17 GMT
Fabulous Zipper, you have quite a collection, storing them in Polypropolene? Typo suggestion 1838 Cover. Cover to a lady..........let's talk about ladies in 1838 Feb 16th 1838 : Kentucky passes law permitting women to attend school under conditions Whatever were we thinking in those days? |
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Post by zipper on Jan 31, 2016 22:50:30 GMT
Storing them in Cover Albums.
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Post by tallanent on Feb 1, 2016 1:28:54 GMT
Thanks for the additional scan.
This better version now used for the entry in the database
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Post by tallanent on Feb 5, 2016 2:37:00 GMT
Update on the Postmark database ...
More have been added ... some scans for places already listed, updates for listed items and new entries.
The number of British marks is now at 15,943, with 13,189 illustrated - this being about 82.7 percent
Along with additional details for marks already listed, (codes, date revisions etc), I have also added the office details for some places. This means that the information available to collectors has now been extended, which I hope will assist in further study.
If you are searching for an office and want me to add the office details for a particular entry, please just shout and I will search it out and add in what I have ...
As mentioned earlier my target for this year is to get 85 percent of the listing so this batch of updates brings that number a little closer
Happy hunting / searching ... Allan
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Post by rod222 on Feb 11, 2016 2:23:43 GMT
One of the great TSF threads,
8 pages and counting.
A great resource for GB students, highlighted by Allan's postmark link
Thanks to Zipper for some fabulous, expensive material.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 11, 2016 10:29:05 GMT
tallanent Hi Allan, note : Zipper has found another one , see DRUMREE (Ireland) you need an image on this one, the % rise 
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Post by rod222 on Feb 11, 2016 10:36:46 GMT
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Post by zipper on Feb 11, 2016 10:51:36 GMT
Drumree and numbered postmarks  |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 11, 2016 12:18:55 GMT
Drumree and numbered postmarks  (30) number in diamond added --- this being 12 a different number of bars Llandudno added - new type Central Telegraph Office - details updated Drumree (Ireland) - now added SWDO parcel mark now extended to cover use in the KEVII period London Parcel Section - new entry and added The others I am sure are part duplex marks and are filed for later when I get full versions Now at 83.02 percent with some others I have added in Allan |
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Post by zipper on Feb 11, 2016 12:21:34 GMT
Glad to be of service, Allan. I thought the '30' was 50, BARNSTAPLE (in Devon).
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Post by tallanent on Feb 11, 2016 12:32:12 GMT
Glad to be of service, Allan. I thought the '30' was 50, BARNSTAPLE (in Devon). Number within a diamond = London Inland Section Just enlarged the scan and you are correct (50) ..... this now put right |
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Post by zipper on Feb 11, 2016 12:40:45 GMT
When I first saw it, leaning back in my chair, I thought it was 30, but when I leaned forward and looked closely at my monitor, I thought it was 50. Need new glasses, so I'm never sure.
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Post by tallanent on Feb 12, 2016 0:04:02 GMT
Well, 11:40pm here and I just had a thought .... (It happens sometimes and often late ... ) This thread has provided a lot of information for the database, however, this is a great deal of me taking and not giving .... I know the database has been developed to aid collectors, but thought that it may also be nice to post examples on this thread. These will generally be taken from the recent updates list for the day on the date of posting and will show an item and some related details. In this way I add something back to the board and hopefully give readers some insight into what the database can offer to their collection. With that in mind ... tonight's item is Peterhead .. [Moderator edit - image link is broken and irretrievable]  This is the earliest item / type I have for Peterhead in Aberdeenshire, Scotland There are three other types also listed ... The details for the Post office are as follows ... Post Town by 1715 Money Order Office 1 October 1792 Numeral 281 allocated 1844 Savings Bank 2 March 1863 Telegraph Office 1870. Code used PJ Changed from a HO to Salaried Sub-Office 5 July 1969 Changed to a Franchise Post Office - date unknown Changed to a Main Office 2 April 2015 --------------------------------------------- If you search the database and the office details are not yet added, and you want then, just let me know the office name (and if possible the reference number), and I will see what I can dig out and add in. These details are added generally as requested, and I am happy to take a break from the scans and search this out. I hope this will prompt a few more users to post up some images and keep this thread alive whilst sharing our knowledge GBU all ... Allan |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 12, 2016 0:10:19 GMT
tallanentAllan, I think your link is gratitude enough, for us, we are fortunate to have you as part of our forum. A few questions, although I visit your link often, can you advise if you. Searchable ID for "killer" numbers of the duplex cancels on your site. Postmarks of printed matter (eg : Curt Furnau type catalogue cancels) ? Thanks.
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Post by tallanent on Feb 12, 2016 0:39:45 GMT
printed matter marks / meter marks are generally no included, although I think there are a few in there from the early days ...
With regards to searching for the 'killer' numerals, either as a stand alone device or as part of a duplex mark, the following will work ...
(1) - this will find all the numeral 1 killers. Maltese Cross, London Inland, London Suburban, England / Wales, Scotland and Ireland (naturally, this applies only to those I have scans for and that are listed ... hence the earlier post as much more remains to be done)
In the same way, using the bracket system for the numeral, this can be used to get ranges. Thus (1 without the closing bracket will return all those starting with the number
1) - will return all those where the numeral ends in the number
A few other points on the numerals are also worth a mention ...
Firstly, these may have also been used at the bottom of double ring CDS cancellations. In these cases they are part of the normal device entry and thus not in brackets
An example of this is 281 which will bring up one of the other Peterhead devices
Second, sometimes the numbers were used in a triangle for census counting. In these cases, again, they are not contained within brackets
Thirdly, some numbers were used by the telegraph system and again these are shown without brackets
Dependent on what variation you are looking for, the basic structure should allow for things to be found and the search options are as follows ...
General search - match to the text as it appears on the postmark
Special Pmks - these are the FDI, events etc etc
Multi-search - this allows two strings to narrow the field or for harder to locate marks
Notes search - ch the notes section. Useful for Telegraph etc etc
Starting with - useful for where the first part of the mark is known. But be aware that some marks have the place name at the base such as Exchange Liverpool
Archive search - this will return results from the P O Archives records. Where I have them in place
Year search - this returns a list of all marks in use during the specified year
Picture search - this will return only those marks that have a picture of the office allocated to the entry.
Hope this helps and covers the points ....
Anything else, just shout .. Allan
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Post by tallanent on Feb 12, 2016 23:25:23 GMT
Tonight's items is .... Plymouth To Bristol T P O [Moderator edit - image links are broken and irretrievable] This mark is recorded and known to railway / TPO collectors, however the mark is recorded as no having any code at the top. This example clearly shows the star at the top, and is one of the latest entries in the database Below is shown the already recorded version without the code at the top  Only a single date recorded for each of these marks at the moment, as this is all I have had sight of. If other turn up, I will naturally update the records ... Hope these little snippets are of interest and encourage collectors to check out the postmarks on their stamps as well as the stamps themselves ..... There is still a great deal to be discovered in the philatelic world ... Allan |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 13, 2016 0:06:46 GMT
Tonight's items is .... Plymouth To Bristol T P O Nice to see this Postmark, I was surprised when researching Packet routes sometime ago, that in the early days Plymouth barely raised a mention, most of the packets docked at Falmouth, and they must have had coaches up to London from there. (The coach at 7 miles an hour would beat the Ship and mail to London, hands down) Must have been in the 19th century that Plymouth gained prominence. |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 13, 2016 0:29:11 GMT
Falmouth is interesting for the early packet routes ... chosen as it was a natural harbor Also interesting from the postal history view .... [Moderator edit - image links are broken and irretrievable] Early horseshoe type - 1800  A few years later - 1810, and a straight line type  By 1837 we have the standard CDS  and by 1845 this was still in use with the slight modification - the addition of a code letter at the base The list continues ... but this shows how just one location changed over a short period of time and continued to change through the Victorian period and beyond .... Allan |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 13, 2016 23:47:12 GMT
Tonight's offering is two items ..... Firstly, Wantage duplex with numeral 4 [Moderator edit - image links are broken and irretrievable] Not the greatest impression, but was an early item I listed and have just found the scan. At least something to start the record off .... When I first listed the place names in the database, I thought that I had covered all the Victorian offices .... I was wrong A number of new places are turning up and being added to the database, and two that appeared today were Roath, Cardiff This was made better by the fact that there are two new entries for this place with hammers numbered 1 and 2   The details for the office are as follows ... TSO under Cardiff. Money Order Office 1 April 1865 Savings Bank 1 July 1865 Money Order & Savings Bank discontinued 2 July 1866 Money Order & Savings Bank services re-established by 1871 Telegraph Office 31 July 1876. Code used REC Telegraph code used CBU 28 October 1884 Renamed ‘Castle Rd.,Roath’ 1 January 1890 Changed to BO 1 December 1894 Renamed ‘Roath’ again April 1906 Closed 1 February 1985 It will be seen that although the name was changed to Castle Rd.,Roath on the 1st January 1890 and then later returned as just Roath in April 1906, the remained in use for at least part of this period I have no idea how long this went on prior to a new hand stamp being delivered, and the first Castle Road strike I have is shown below, just prior to the name changing back  Hope this provides some insight to members .... Allan |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 14, 2016 0:04:54 GMT
Tonight's offering is two items ..... Money Order & Savings Bank discontinued 2 July 1866 Money Order & Savings Bank services re-established by 1871 MO&SB Money Order and Savings Bank Briefly explained here (Gold Coast) thestampforum.boards.net/post/8936 |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2016 0:42:05 GMT
Tonight's offering is two items ..... Money Order & Savings Bank discontinued 2 July 1866 Money Order & Savings Bank services re-established by 1871 MO&SB Money Order and Savings Bank Briefly explained here (Gold Coast) thestampforum.boards.net/post/8936Rod .... Super information Any one with an interest in postmarks should click the link and read the text. Some great stamps there also ... |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2016 22:50:44 GMT
Only managed to get a few items listed tonight as I spent most of the day at the local heritage railway helping out with stock inspections and movements of wagons etc to other parts of the railway. From the limited additions, tonight's offering is High St Tunbridge Wells [Moderator edit - image links are broken and irretrievable] There is an earlier version from 1893 already listed with a single code letter at the top and also the addition of the letter BO, (Branch Office), in the place name These coded types with letter(s) - star - letter are time coded and the chart below gives details for the codes used ...  For the office, the details are as follows ... Town Sub Office under Tunbridge Wells 6 February 1853 Money Order Office & Savings Bank 1870 CDS issued 5 February 1870 Changed to BO 1 February 1884 Telegraph Office August 1885. Code used TWH Closed 28 November 1896 Allan |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 15, 2016 23:08:00 GMT
Tonight's item from the database is something a little different .... As some may be aware, when you search the database of British marks, (and for the record, the following also happens when Australian marks are searched), a second table appears at the bottom of the listing that shows foreign marks applied to British, (or Australian), stamps. thus the database is not just a listing of British postmarks but also postmarks known on British stamps. For those that like the early stamps from the reign of Queen Victoria, the Penny Lilac is one of the easiest to acquire and offers a great variation on the postmarks that can be found. So tonight's item is Fremantle, Western Australia [Moderator edit - image links are broken and irretrievable] The only details I have on this office are ... Post Office 4 December 1829 I have no other details ... These types of items provide a great visual variation in a collection and provide a link that allows other items to be included to enhance the story. Within the database, this will show in either the British or Australian search sections as it naturally fits both areas I hope this is proving of interest to some readers and I am not boring the membership ... Allan |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 16, 2016 0:04:35 GMT
tallanentHi Allan, Talking stamps? ..never boring. I need to identify the killer. It may be a barred numeral, but looks like a barred "P O" without a ring Can you supply a better scan, or advise please?
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Post by tallanent on Feb 16, 2016 0:14:44 GMT
tallanent Hi Allan, Talking stamps? ..never boring. I need to identify the killer. It may be a barred numeral, but looks like a barred "P O" without a ring Can you supply a better scan, or advise please? This is the best scan I have as much of the database entries are supplied to me by other users. I have it listed as PO in the killer section, but stand to be corrected on this if anyone can show what it is ... Currently listed as ... Fremantle W A (PO) Regards Allan |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 16, 2016 0:43:20 GMT
tallanent As an aside: This Postmark format (the thick heavy font) is one of my favourites, worldwide. I find it, (and the Queensland Sunburst) handsome indeed. OK. Fine. Let's assume PO in a 9 bar killer. I have it as 1890's The Duplex appeared at this date, CDS (Circular Date Stamps) appeared 1882. 9 bar PO Killer Duplex, 2 line date, no inner circle, cancel hammer number / fleuron. Sorry cannot give a specific catalogue number, as the postmarks were too numerous. Yours is closest to (left to right, down) #5 Source: Western Australia / The Stamps and Postal History / Western Australia Study Group 1979 isbn 959647600 
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