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Post by jkjblue on Jan 30, 2014 18:35:02 GMT
Are you smarter than the average stamp collector? Well, now you can prove it.  or not.  This thread is for stamp image "unknowns" where fellow collectors can attempt to identify the stamp by country and catalogue number- or any other interesting bit of information. Any member of TSF can submit an image "unknown". To play fair, the stamp needs to be in the Scott (or other major) catalogue, or at least mentioned in the notes. (The real reason?...I know nothing about Cinderellas. ) The reward? An acknowledgment that, for the moment, you are King of "Wait,Wait...don't tell me (Stamp edition)"!!! O.K., here is an "unknown"....  Good luck! |
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Post by stampgeezer on Jan 30, 2014 19:16:45 GMT
It started out as Turkey, scott 426, map of Dardanelles with pic of sultan Mohammed, issued in 1916 or so, but it has an overprint, so perhaps the armistice issue of 1919, scott 554?  |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 30, 2014 19:29:56 GMT
Doesn't look like a 1919 overprint to me. The Arabic text is different, although the dates look the same. My guess is that it may be an Angora issue of 1921 [Turkish Nationalist Government] but I do not have a list of the overprinted types. So only a pure guess. After the reign of Sultan Mohammed V Off for a Turkey sandwich !  Londonbus1 |
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Post by stampgeezer on Jan 30, 2014 19:36:11 GMT
I guess my guess was a real turkey!
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Post by cjd on Jan 30, 2014 19:56:53 GMT
I'd go with Turkey 571 in Scott.
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Post by jkjblue on Jan 30, 2014 20:23:00 GMT
I think cjd is right- but I'm not 100% sure. The problem is Scott doesn't illustrate the overprint for Scott 571, and I am puzzled by the "blackout" of Sultan Mohammed- why would they do that? For the moment, I am putting the stamp into the Scott 571 space, but Londonbus1 might still have the final word. |
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Post by cjd on Jan 30, 2014 20:38:05 GMT
Aren't they blacking out Mehmed V in favor of the accession of Mehmed VI?
It would be hard to imagine George VI demanding that Edward VIII stamps be overprinted, but one never knows with brothers.
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Post by stampgeezer on Jan 30, 2014 20:40:23 GMT
This is a great idea Mr. Blue!
Theron.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 30, 2014 22:20:48 GMT
I don't have a Scott number but it's Michel 663. 1 piastre 1st Anniversary issue of 1919.
What threw me was that it is not in Gibbons !! There are 3 types of overprints shown and this is not one of them.
So my problem has been solved. I guess the numbers match up.
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Post by cjd on Jan 30, 2014 22:36:07 GMT
Comparing Scott and Michel listings, I'm pretty comfortable saying that Sc 571 equates to Mi 663.
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Post by jkjblue on Jan 30, 2014 23:21:33 GMT
cjd is King of the wait,wait,...don't tell me game show for today! Congratulations cjd! Another one coming up tomorrow. |
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Post by rod222 on Jan 31, 2014 2:40:47 GMT
Interesting stamp, I have queried them for years, so still chasing information. Generally known I think as Angorra Opts (Gibbons specialised only)
Interesting in that it is only the second stamp with the image of the Sultan,
previous stamps had the Tughra only due to Islam preventing graven images.
Perhaps that is why this stamp has the Tughra blockout over the prev Sultan?
Due to being at war, these stamps had no exonyms, which had been previously French in name and value indications.
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Post by 1840to1940 on Jan 31, 2014 14:54:25 GMT
As usual, I'm late to the party. Yvert&Tellier list this as #605 and illustrates the exact overprint (which I would be glad to post if anyone wants). The description says the stamp was overprinted in 1920 to mark the second anniversary of sultan Mohammed VI. Looks like there are some 23 surcharges/overprints marking the anniversary.
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Post by I.L.S. on Jan 31, 2014 15:07:22 GMT
Is this a game or may I submit one? I just don't wanna goof up your thread.
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Post by jkjblue on Jan 31, 2014 15:11:46 GMT
1840 to 1940 (Bob) -if you can show the Y&T overprint illustration, that would be great.   The "Unknown" for today (from me).  I.L.S.- the more, the merrier! Anyone can contribute! |
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Post by 1840to1940 on Jan 31, 2014 15:34:50 GMT
1840 to 1940 (Bob) -if you can show the Y&T overprint illustration, that would be great. Vis-a-vis the Turkey, here's the scan from Y&T. On closer inspection, I can see some minor differences between the catalog and your stamp. Hmmm. ![]()  |
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Post by cjd on Jan 31, 2014 15:52:00 GMT
Is this one a trick, and not Greece 397?
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Post by cjd on Jan 31, 2014 15:53:15 GMT
It is a trick...413, corrected inscription?
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Post by jkjblue on Jan 31, 2014 17:33:19 GMT
Yes, 1938 Greece 413 10 l blue & red brown "Lady of Tiryns" with the corrected inscription. The 1937 Scott 397 had "TYPI" for the first four letters of the third word, rather than the corrected "TIPY" in the 1938 version posted as the "unknown". Congrats cjd! |
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Post by jkjblue on Jan 31, 2014 17:41:25 GMT
There are some differences in the blot over the portrait. Important? I don''t know.
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Post by cjd on Jan 31, 2014 17:56:28 GMT
Here is a little palate cleanser before Mr. Blue posts another main course:  On your mark(s), get set, GO! |
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Post by stampgeezer on Jan 31, 2014 18:35:39 GMT
cjd- it looks like scott #11 of the Czech legion in Siberia. The overprint is supposed to be green but I can't tell if your is green or not.
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Post by BC on Jan 31, 2014 18:38:09 GMT
Stampgeezer you beat me. Those guys hung around Siberia, including the Far Eastern Republic, during the Russian Civil War. Used stamps are very rare.
Nice stamp CJD.
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Post by cjd on Jan 31, 2014 18:40:57 GMT
That is it. I crown thee King Theron the First. #11 was overprinted in green on #5, which was itself overprinted in black (1920) on #4...in this case, a Type I #4, I believe.
Congratulations.
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Post by cjd on Jan 31, 2014 18:44:47 GMT
Bee, I don't think I've ever seen a used example of ##5-14 in person. I've seen a couple of fours that purported to be used.
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Post by stampgeezer on Jan 31, 2014 18:45:32 GMT
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Post by cjd on Jan 31, 2014 19:00:06 GMT
You're lucky to be king of this thread. On some boards their idea of 'royal treatment' is Louis XVI.
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Post by jkjblue on Feb 1, 2014 15:37:50 GMT
 ? And a bonus point for anyone that has the stamp in their collection. |
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Post by stoltzpup on Feb 1, 2014 18:54:42 GMT
Guadeloupe #11.Got it.
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Post by jkjblue on Feb 1, 2014 20:59:41 GMT
Congrats Stoltzpup (Bud). I bestow on you "King of Karukera" (The island of beautiful waters) |
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