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Post by rod222 on Feb 13, 2015 4:15:47 GMT
1966 WHO =world health organisation Palestine and victims abd-el-kader (Remember the tobacco cover?) UNESCO = united nations educational scientific and cultural organisation Miniatures by Mohammed racim  1967 wall paintings Bardo Museum, La kalaa Minaret, ruins at Sedrata  |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 13, 2015 4:18:07 GMT
1967 Dancers International Tourist year Animals (Including our Fennecus Zerda) 5th Mediterranean Games Grenoble Winter Olympics  |
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Post by Jen B on Feb 17, 2015 0:48:46 GMT
Rod, What a beautiful Algeria collection you are putting together!
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 17, 2015 14:24:37 GMT
Rod, What a beautiful Algeria collection you are putting together! Thanks Jen.  |
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Post by rod222 on Mar 5, 2015 2:21:03 GMT
1962 Independent State Etat Algeriene "EA" Opt  |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 10, 2017 0:49:50 GMT
Thanks to Steve ( tomiseksj ) and "The Mostly French Colonies Giveaway" (http://thestampforum.boards.net/thread/4522/french-colonies-giveaway ), I have added some very nice stamps to my Algeria collection. Yes, these particular stamps are post-1930, but I still have my old Scott International Part I, so whenever I get nice 1930-1940 stamps like these, I put 'em into ol' Big Blue! Thanks again, Steve!  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 23, 2018 16:42:56 GMT
Mirroring the issues used in the French territory regained by the Allied armies coming from the South (shown here), the National Liberation Movement based in Algiers had issued stamps for use in Algeria in 1944-45: YT#218-223:  YT #209-217:  |
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Post by brightonpete on Oct 23, 2018 20:51:10 GMT
Xavier! How many stamps do you have? It seems never ending!
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 24, 2018 4:59:30 GMT
Xavier! How many stamps do you have? It seems never ending! France Libre is one of my interests, so quite a few. For the "London series", I have them all. And was intending on posting them all. |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 27, 2018 15:39:12 GMT
Two of the France "1944 Broken Chains" stamps were also overprinted for use in Algeria (YT #225-26):  |
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Post by blaamand on Mar 24, 2019 23:06:43 GMT
Nice thread! I've been working on my DIY pages for Algerie, starting with the forerunners on stamps of mainland France. Not exactly 'stamps of Algerie' - however it was the stamps actually used in Algeria non the less. A quick Postal history lesson: Many French numerals postmarks with small numbers ('PC') between #3710-4448 were used in Algeria between 1849-62. Similiar most of the large numerals ('GC') between #5000-5177 were used in Algeria, between 1862-79. Later French stamps used in Algerie will be identified by CDS postmarks with Algerian place names.    The cover on this page was part of a great give-away from Beryllium Guy. Though unknown to him the cover was posted in Alger and brought by a steamer to Marseille, as evident by the 'ALGER BAT A VAP' postmark. Postmarked again upon arrival in Marseille with GC2240, and Marseille CDS on the reverse. Thanks a lot Chris - it certainly brightens up my album!! |
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Post by blaamand on Mar 24, 2019 23:57:08 GMT
The marvellous Steiner pages for Algerie have already been shown previously in this thread. My DIY pages are based on Steiner, but 'deepened' a bit to include spaces for varieties, pre-cancels and other stuff. I am also preferring a more compressed layout than Steiner, which is in my opinion often spreading the series on unecessary many pages. Example given, I have consolidated all the first issues of Algeria on the first page rather than spread across 2 pages. To each his own.  Here's my page no.3, with spaces for some of the varieties listed in Yvert. When I can I like to include images or illustrations to remind me what the varieties look like, like for instance the 'cut tree' variety below. I found an image of the cut tree from a specialized reference collection on the web, which then later helped me to find 2 examples of this particular variety in my own dups   Close-up of the same:  |
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Post by blaamand on Mar 25, 2019 0:02:48 GMT
Algeria do have some stunning pictorial stamps, like most other French Colonies. Unfortunately I do not have a scanner I can use right now, and my mobile phone doesn't manage to capture the beauty and splendour of these stamps.   |
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Post by blaamand on Mar 25, 2019 0:17:34 GMT
Observant readers might have noted I use quadrille pages and hand-written notes for the forerunners and standard pre-printed pages for general issues. That is simply to allow more freedom for the forerunners as well as these are hard to find so no need to have empty boxes for each single French stamps that could potentially have been used in Algeria. I end up with quadrille pages in the end after the general issues as well, to allow for some extra stuff, curiosities, varieties etc. Amongst other varieties, I found 2 copies of the 25c sowers with doubled overprint, however cannot find these mentioned in Yvert. Does anyone have a more detailed reference for Algerie?  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 19, 2019 8:24:36 GMT
Algeria, Sc 7b, (France, Sc 185 overprinted)
Full Booklet Pane of 20I acquired this item a few weeks ago at the Aix market. Question to TSF Members: Scott has two listings for 7b: one is for a pane of 10 stamps, which seems to me as technically a half-pane, and then for a "complete booklet" of 20 stamps. So, I am wondering if this is considered a complete booklet, or if that would have to include the cover as well. Any and all comments welcome! 
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Post by renden on Jul 19, 2019 13:01:45 GMT
Chris Beryllium Guy - Scott Classic 2019 catalog mentions you have the complete booklet at a val of $300 - 7b Congratulations - René |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 19, 2019 13:08:45 GMT
Very sweet pane Chris, nice find - congratulations!!
I think a complete booklet normally includes a protective cover? Often with commercial print.
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 19, 2019 13:37:40 GMT
Here is a listing for two booklets from Kelleher's Sale 638. I think what you have is best described as a pane of twenty from an exploded booklet.  |
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Post by renden on Jul 19, 2019 13:43:22 GMT
I totally agree - but you have the full pane of 20 stamps !! as mentioned by tomiseksj |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 19, 2019 14:23:26 GMT
Brilliant tomiseksj, that's just what I was thinking of. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 19, 2019 15:16:47 GMT
Many thanks to blaamand, renden, and tomiseksj for your responses to my earlier post. Steve, I am pleased to learn the terms "exploded" and "unexploded" to describe booklets.... never heard those terms before. So, back to my original question then. If mine is an exploded booklet and not a "complete booklet" which is what I imagine corresponds to the Scott CV of $300 for this item (thanks, René!), then any ideas at how to value one of these exploded booklets? René, in my 2013 Scott Catalogue, it lists under 7b the booklet pane of 10 stamps, but for unused value, it just shows "--". Is there anything new in the 2019 edition? Any other thoughts on valuation? I am considering that I may trade or sell this pane, so trying to get a feel for how it might be valued. Thanks, all! |
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Post by renden on Jul 19, 2019 17:33:01 GMT
René, in my 2013 Scott Catalogue, it lists under 7b the booklet pane of 10 stamps, but for unused value, it just shows "--". Is there anything new in the 2019 edition? Any other thoughts on valuation? I am considering that I may trade or sell this pane, so trying to get a feel for how it might be valued. Chris, textually, 2019 Scott Classsic e-catalog: 7 A23(a) 10 c green .80 NH on cover 2.25 b. Booklet pane of 10 ------- Complete BK #7b $300 I am not impressed with this at all as no price given for the pane of 10. With an e-catalog, you cannot print anything René |
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 19, 2019 17:55:32 GMT
Chris,
My 2015 Classic Specialized values a complete booklet (2 Scott 7b) at $250. No value is given for the pane of 10 (7b).
My suspicion is that much, if not the majority, of the value to a booklet collector resides in the cover being intact.
The two booklet lot listed in the 2013 Kelleher auction sold for $200 ($100 each); 41% of the then single unexploded booklet CV of $240.
I could find no other record of a sale of the 7b pane of 10, which likely explains the absence of a valuation in the Classic Specialized.
If you apply the 41% of CV factor, I think a reasonable assumption is that you might realize about $125 for a booklet at auction.
That would place a valuation on your double pane at somewhere below that number -- how much so remains the question.
Were it mine and I was trying to sell it, I'd offer it at about 25% more than I paid and entertain "best offers."
Sorry I couldn't provide a definitive answer.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 19, 2019 20:15:08 GMT
Thanks for your additional replies, renden and tomiseksj. I agree that the Scott Catalogue does not provide anything definitive, but here is something I thought of: Using 2013 CVs, France Sc 185 = $0.55 and Sc 185a, booklet pane of 10 = $15.00, while Algeria Sc 7 = $0.65 (Algeria Sc 7 is the overprinted version of France Sc 185) So, applying a little algebra, using the value increase ratio from the non-overprinted stamp and applying it to Algeria Sc 7, the Sc 7b pane of 10 = $17.27, and since the full pane is twice the material, it seems to me that Sc 7b pane of 30 = at least $34.50 in CV, with perhaps a small premium (10% ?) for being fully intact. My personal CV estimate based on 2013 Scott is roughly $38.00. Does this sort of logic make any sense at all? |
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Post by renden on Jul 19, 2019 20:18:52 GMT
Thanks for your additional replies, renden and tomiseksj . I agree that the Scott Catalogue does not provide anything definitive, but here is something I thought of: Using 2013 CVs, France Sc 185 = $0.55 and Sc 185a, booklet pane of 10 = $15.00, while Algeria Sc 7 = $0.65 (Algeria Sc 7 is the overprinted version of France Sc 185) So, applying a little algebra, using the value increase ratio from the non-overprinted stamp and applying it to Algeria Sc 7, the Sc 7b pane of 10 = $17.27, and since the full pane is twice the material, it seems to me that Sc 7b pane of 30 = at least $34.50 in CV, with perhaps a small premium (10% ?) for being fully intact. My personal CV estimate based on 2013 Scott is roughly $38.00. Does this sort of logic make any sense at all? It is higher Chris.....let's see what Steve thinks - Cheers René |
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 19, 2019 20:45:27 GMT
I agree with René that your valuation is likely low. The 2019 price of the Scott 7 has increased by 24% since 2013 (then $0.65; now $0.80) so I'd raise your estimate at least by that percentage.
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Post by renden on Jul 19, 2019 22:02:45 GMT
I agree with René that your valuation is likely low. The 2019 price of the Scott 7 has increased by 24% since 2013 (then $0.65; now $0.80) so I'd raise your estimate at least by that percentage. Thanks Steve for your input and rationale/expertise René Chris will be happy ! Beryllium Guy |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 20, 2019 5:40:05 GMT
I had the chance to see the actual booklet pane yesterday. It is in perfect condition, apart from the cover missing obviously. My Yvert&Tellier French Colonies catalog only list "booklet pairs" (i.e. a vertical pair with margins) and quotes them at 11 Euros apiece.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 20, 2019 5:40:46 GMT
Many thanks to Steve ( tomiseksj) and René ( renden) for the continued dialogue on my question. Based on your comments, and revising to the 2019 CV, that suggests a value around $47.00, which is nice indeed. In addition, thanks to some help from Xavier ( hrdoktorx), I was able to determine that there is an overprint variety of "ALGÉKIE" listed in Yvert & Tellier versus the normal one. In the digitally cropped image from the larger one shown below, there seems to be an overprint variety on the right, as the R is clearly broken, although it does not really resemble a K. It is perhaps some other minor variety. So, all in all, perhaps an estimated CV of $50 or so wouldn't be too far off. Thanks again to everyone for engaging on this subject and helping me get an idea on the CV of this item.  |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 20, 2019 12:35:11 GMT
Beryllium Guy - I am at home now, so checked up my Yvert. Was expecting to find info on the carnets in there, but surprisingly there was no more info than what's already offered by hrdoktorx.
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