France: Stamps

Since receiving the recent 1928 set of overprinted stamps I decided to get a page done and get them mounted... this was also driven by a 'senior moment".... I have one copy of  #252 (used Type I) somewhere, but at the moment, where that might be is a mystery. 

this is not the first time I have put something somewhere other than where I might find it again <sigh>.

Are they all like that? I had to look through a few to find one without the obliteration going right across that area...

stainlessb
I think so, from the one's I have looked at this morning
Yep. All Values

I think it is relative to the rest of REPVBLIQVE (V being the letter U)

Another question which I hope someone can shed some light on.

Often- roulette cut issues (definitives) are often characterized as a separate Type. (Maury, Ceres & Dallay, Storch & Francon) - (Yvert & Tellier in many are not even listed)

I have found, and continue to find stamps which show the traits specific to the Type which is roulette cut, but the side perforations are clearly not machine cut. I have also come to accept that the different traits are not always consistent, nor do they necessarily appear on every stamp from a sheet.

The most detailed description I have found are by Storch, Francon, and  Brun (either in collaboration or separately), and I have not found an example where rouleted stamps and those with 'standard" perfs share the same traits (dies)

This also seems to hold true for Carnets (booklets)

Does anyone have information indicating that a rouletted "Type" was also issued as stamps from printed sheets??

Good morning gstamps

My Y&T has the same information - 2021 catalogue on page 1342

here's a translation for those in need:

Certain consumer stamps intended for vending machines were made in “endless bands”. They are then presented in the form of reels initially of 600 (flat draw) or 1200
(rotary printing) and, since 1929, in reels of 500 or 1000 copies and exceptionally of 2000.

The stamps from these reels, say “Casters”, are generally collected in bands vertical of 6 or 11, in order to be able to differentiate them with certainty (*).
These stamps generally come with the teeth cut on one or both sides. Roulette sheets were sometimes used to supply the Offices, which detailed them in the public.

(My thoughts - detailed - perhaps means they were cut apart.... and it does not say if the coils were perforated? Would the local offices have the ability to both perforate and "slice"?)

The exist in horizontal bands of 6 Roulettes stamps n' 11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19,31,
37,39, 42, 43, and 47.

(*) From roulette n° 53, the band of 11 is no longer essential to differentiate with certainty the roulette stamps, with the notations of 1962 (NOS on the back of one stamp out of 10) and of 1976 (unperforated vertically); some collectors now make do with a strip of 10; the odds are to be reduced by 15%. With the numbering every five stamps, from 1986, it is also possible to collect a strip of 6 or 5 stamps: the odds are to be reduced by 50% or 60%. Since 2002, roulette n° 101, all have in black number on the back unless there is an anomaly.

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For those not familiar- Yvert assigns a separate series of numbers for the roulettes, whereas Maury includes them with the issue. Yvert notes the Type of the roulette, but seems to offer little detail.

If the rolls were sent to offices and they chose to simply remove stamps as needed by customers, then that would explain the traits detailed by Maury, Francon & Storch, et al.

My 'guess' as to the need for longer "strips" is to rule out carefully cut stamps (with scissors) and/or the stamps came from something greater than a 5 x 5, 5 x 10, however, this would discount that roulettes had specific traits.....  and horizontal strips of 5 could still come from the sheets......

I am still hoping to find something concrete.

gstamps

thank you for your comments. it would seem quite helpful if the catalogues (any of them) would mention that the rouletted issues are of a specific Type which also exist as standard punch perforated stamps.

A rouletted example would be 'proof positive" of the Type

Placing this 2024 sheet among the stamps previously posted just doesn't seem to square. Anyway, I purchased it for my niece along with a Lancome product. I read a bit about La Poste collaborating with French heritage companies over the years to issue these heart shaped stamps for Valentine's Day. Pretty cool.

rod222, I don't think this abrasion perforation technology appeared in 1922.
I'm sorry, but I can't find what the cylinders looked like on which the embossing and abrasion of the holes between the stamps was done.
I found a reference to abrasive perforation in the EPIKOS TD215 press (without explanation)...but it's a start.

Very interesting pages.

I have several stamps from France in my World box I got at Christmas. Going to look into them latter for pages, and see what happens.

I found another entry describing "endless strips of gummed paper", which I take to mean the rolls of paper used for rotary printing

Here's a newly issued souvenir sheet from France celebrating 500 years since the first European sight of what is now New York City. Beautifully engraved view of my hometown!

The smell of fresh bread with your morning post !! 


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