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Post by stainlessb on Oct 19, 2023 22:14:28 GMT
The first of 3 pages I am working on for 1943. A big Thank You to René ( renden ) who generously helped me fill a few holes. I should just about be able to complete all of 1943!  |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 21, 2023 22:42:33 GMT
and finally, the final two pages to complete 1943. (with a little help from my friends!)   |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 23, 2023 23:51:02 GMT
Rather than start a new thread (unless enough comments warrant one) I received some small lots today and in them were the top row below. I already had the bottom row. The 15 centime partially covering the other stamp is stuck to each other.... Is the triangle an obliteration indicating the postage due has been collected? or does it signify soemthing else. I have never paid that much attention to these (probably bgecause I have yet to make pages for them). The 1 Franc stamps have the "B" inside a thinner lined triangle. I've looked through my catalogues, but haven't stumbled on anything. Looking on-line wasn't much help  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 23, 2023 23:59:49 GMT
stainlessb The Triangles were handstruck cancels of Postage Dues.
Source: Marcophilie (current link not known).
The 1 Franc stamps have the "B" iside a thinner lined triangle. We believe this was a Postage Due precancel from Paris
(Source Nigelc 2019)
Supplementary
Triangle with letters A & B inside, exist
Marcophile : exists also as Precancels
Triangle with external "Teeth" sawtooth style, was used in the Seine department
Source : Klasbouer
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 24, 2023 14:22:51 GMT
precancel would make sense as several of these are mint hinged. Nothing in the pre-oblit section in the catalogues about this Thank you! Here is a the link- (scroll down a ways) link Timbre taxes/type Duval I did find one with the external 'teeth" but no other information provided one 30 c triangle on E-Bay.... I can't believe the asking price $59.95 (?!) |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 27, 2023 0:25:01 GMT
Here are some more example sof the Timbres Taxe stamps with their 'unique" obliterations. Top row example sof the Triangle with an A or B inside. Top row right is a 'toothed" triangle. If you look closely you will notice that th eprinting image on the stamp with the toothed triangle is slightly shorter (21.5 mm) that the stamp to it's left ( and it appears the others as well) The shorted printed image frame is a Type I, the taller (22 mm) is a Type II> If a denomination has a Type II, there is also a Type I except for the 3 Franc Lilac-rose (# T-41A) which exists only as a Type II/ The earliest example sof numbers in a circle is the early Type II Sage ( which as seen better days... a pity as it's fairly well centered. I have seen this on later stamps also. The bottom two left i grabbed to show how much the 'triangle" itself varies and I'n not sure the inked black in the center is actually a triangle, but they seem to vary is size and wall thickness. The "T" obliteration is currently 'the mystery"  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 27, 2023 2:56:57 GMT
stainlessb "Number in a circle" was used by the Paris Offices, for registered letters and Insured letters,
and also for New Years Cancellations
Roman Numeral in a circle seems to have been used for foreign correspondence. (XVll etc)
"T" in a Triangle = Taxe = Postage Due (on a cover, not bearing any postage)
Triangles can also appear in Blue (petit triangle 1893 )
Your "Number 1" I believe was struck at the "Place de la concourse 4 or 6" needs confirmation. (incorrect)
From my collection.
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 27, 2023 16:00:48 GMT
stainlessb "Number in a circle" was used by the Paris Offices, for registered letters and Insured letters,
and also for New Years Cancellations
Your "Number 1" I believe was struck at the "Place de la concourse 4 or 6" needs confirmation.
I knew about th e'special date usage". IThe only early reference on France obliterations only goes up to 1876, which is the same year as the Sage Type II was issued.... but not a single circle with number oblitre in it (a few with letters,,,) I have found a later cover with triangle T hand stamps (Marianne du Gandon),, I'll post when it arrives. I didn;t see anything to indicate how mauch postage due. Cover has 60 centimes, but Airmail to US... and I think UPU was 75c (or more). I can't make out the date in the scan, but the Marianne di Gandon puts it from the 40' |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 27, 2023 18:38:39 GMT
stainlessbI found what I had (poorly recalled) about the numerals "place de la bourse" would be the correction. (Marcophilie) I am only a poor student of France, and was hesitant if this was good advice, recalling " a little knowledge, can be a dangerous thing"  
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Post by gstamps on Oct 28, 2023 7:18:46 GMT
stainlessb, Stan In Yvert-Tellier it is mentioned that due to the existence of a lot of correspondence at the end of the year, withdrawn postal cancellations were used (circled numbers, lozenges Gros chiffres et lozenges Etoiles) For the most used stamps (YT 75, 111 and 137) the values for the different numbers are also mentioned:    This is a special use of these postal cancellations and that is why they can be found on stamps issued after the withdrawal date (1876 for Etoiles and Gros Chiffres - if I am not mistaken) For additional details of the numbers in the circle (and their meaning), I recommend the "marcophilie.org" site.  
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 31, 2023 19:20:58 GMT
Still working on the postage due stamps, and while scanning and measuring for Type I or II, I notice ther following . #T37 Type II. Looks to be a somewhat worn plate, or maybe just poorly inked. Top left corner "RF" (Republique Francais), lower/opposite corner BF. Interesting but I'm thinking this isn't a variety (althoiugh I do not have a specialized reference for the postage due (or any other BoB).  |
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Post by renden on Oct 31, 2023 20:46:45 GMT
Still working on the postage due stamps, and while scanning and measuring for Type I or II, I notice ther following . #T37 Type II. Looks to be a somewhat worn plate, or maybe just poorly inked. Top left corner "RF" (Republique Francais), lower/opposite corner BF. Interesting but I'm thinking this isn't a variety (althoiugh I do not have a specialized reference for the postage due (or any other BoB). Stan stainlessb....you are my "FRANCE" idol !!!! and your pages are A+ René |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 31, 2023 22:20:08 GMT
Thanks René, it has been a wonderful learning process I wish (in retrospect) I had started earlier in life. France has gotten so much more involved than I could have imagined (or anyone could have warned me) when I decided that instead of selling them off, I'd collect them.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 31, 2023 22:27:50 GMT
Still working on the postage due stamps, and while scanning and measuring for Type I or II, I notice ther following . #T37 Type II. Looks to be a somewhat worn plate, or maybe just poorly inked. Top left corner "RF" (Republique Francais), lower/opposite corner BF. Interesting but I'm thinking this isn't a variety (althoiugh I do not have a specialized reference for the postage due (or any other BoB). @stanlessb Looks to me like "dry ink" or drying ink. Perhaps become viscous and not adhering to the typeface properly. I can have a look in SPINK and see if anything mentioned there. Maybe your scanner, it should be Brown Violet, or Lilac. Really is an extraordinarily poorly printed stamp.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 31, 2023 23:02:31 GMT
the color is always a bit different from my on-screen scvan to my uploaded image, but this is dark in color. I have found )based on a small study group) that the Type I seem to commonly have the shortened arched leg on the R. I try and get a close-up on the dissecting scopr. It is 'odd" how the bottomopf the leg curves towards the main leg anf then the bridging... which may be the result of dust = which seems a plausible explantion
I have Spinks. nothing noted- except (translation) " on bristol, figured lace", but as close as I can come is this would be a stamp on thick paper (Bristol board)
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 31, 2023 23:27:29 GMT
heres a close-up - this is using a Celestron digital microscope/te;lescpe camera, dso color rendition is typically not as defined as the scanner, plus the lighting is less so as not to 'wash" out the image  |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 6, 2023 23:44:22 GMT
Here is a cover with the "triangle T" stamp on a cover from Paris to Ohio. Not sure what the International Airmail rate was in 1945. The cobver gives no clue. Perhaps it was 60 Francs As I understand it, the Triangle T stamp would have been used to indicate that there was not enough postage applied. It may be that the Triangle T stamp is because there were two print styles of the Marianne du Gandon- typography fro domestic use and Intaglio for international (in which case these would have been blue instead of the dark orange 
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 7, 2023 22:08:26 GMT
Just received 1917 #T-49 20 c surcharge over 30 centimes with "Triangle T" hand stamp  My work here is complete LOL |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 9, 2023 20:58:46 GMT
After much procrastination.... spent an entire morning trying different layouts and efforts to get some detail images that wouldn't require too many circles and arrows. So now I can actually make straightforward pages for the stamps in the series with a single "master page"  I have procrastinated long enough, and just |
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Post by renden on Nov 9, 2023 23:04:45 GMT
After much procrastination.... spent an entire morning trying different layouts and efforts to get some detail images that wouldn't require too many circles and arrows. I have procrastinated long enough, and just Stan, your pages look better than Spink/Maury - so you might go into the business of "publishing"..........  and I will take a % !!! René |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 9, 2023 23:20:02 GMT
all saved a .pdf, and also as Scribus if editting needed. But my methods would not appeal to all (or maybe even many)
But I do thank you!
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Post by renden on Nov 10, 2023 0:18:43 GMT
all saved a .pdf, and also as Scribus if editting needed. But my methods would not appeal to all (or maybe even many) But I do thank you!  |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 10, 2023 0:32:13 GMT
you're in charge of marketing!!!
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Post by gstamps on Nov 20, 2023 8:01:13 GMT
I put some stamps from the picture for sale on a website in my country - I didn't manage to sell anything. I want to try again, but grouped in one batch. All stamps are MLH or with hinge marks. The total value (according to Yvert-Tellier 2018) is over 800 Euros. I have no experience in selling French stamps. A starting auction value of 80 Euro, do you think it will be attractive?   |
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Post by philatelia on Nov 20, 2023 8:41:15 GMT
These are very nice stamps, but to be brutally honest I doubt this lot could sell for €80. There is a massive glut of material available for Western Europe right now, especially hinged mint. You might be able to get 10% of catalog for individual sets and better singles, but not for a mixed group with duplication and orphans. I buy from several European auctions and often pay 10% of catalog for MNH sets. It’s a tough market for sellers right now.
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 20, 2023 10:52:41 GMT
philatelia , this is a bit of off topic, given the France : Stamps topic thread, but given your mention of 'Western Europe", if you care to, please share your European auction houses in a private message. For my own interest, Portugal, I am seeing prices realised starting in the 25-33% range of catalogue value and that is for hinged or mint that has been re-gummed.
Always looking for a bargain and new sources...
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 20, 2023 14:44:39 GMT
gstamps , unless there is something I am missing I would have to agree with philatelia . They are nice stamps , but also fairly common. You might have better success breaking down into smaller groups, perhaps the Semeuse, the 3 pair with color variants, , perhaps approximate years.
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Post by gstamps on Nov 20, 2023 15:44:58 GMT
Thank you,all.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Nov 20, 2023 20:22:33 GMT
New souvenir sheet from France revisiting the classical Samothrace Victory design of 1937:  |
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and I will take a % !!!
