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Post by PostmasterGS on Aug 19, 2013 2:25:17 GMT
The tape is thicker than regular Scotch tape, but I wouldn't describe it as "thick". It's about twice as thick as regular Scotch tape.
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Post by cjd on Aug 19, 2013 2:29:51 GMT
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 19, 2013 3:05:53 GMT
The tape is thicker than regular Scotch tape, but I wouldn't describe it as "thick". It's about twice as thick as regular Scotch tape. That's true. It's the backing paper that makes it thicker. The backing paper makes it harder to rip than regular scotch tape. I think I need to use scissors to cut the tape, rather than use the dispenser. Overall, it's an improvement over glue sticks.
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Post by cjd on Aug 19, 2013 3:15:33 GMT
You may find a small sheet of glass and an X-Acto hobby knife work well for cutting tape...
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 19, 2013 4:00:21 GMT
Under no circumstances ever use Crystal or Buxton mounts. If you have any, throw them out before you do something stupid, like using them Ok, I know what Crystal mounts are, since I used to have a bunch of them. The only thing that made me stop using them was the fact that I liked black Showgard mounts better. Even the stamp store I bought the Showgards from didn't warn me about them. Having my mounts yellow at the glue strip taught me what a bad idea they were.... But what are/were Buxton mounts? Never heard of those things.
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Post by I.L.S. on Aug 19, 2013 9:31:39 GMT
Oh man the crystal mount conversation again! I have seen and heard horror stories about these mounts!
Mounts are a bit prohibitive for me at the moment and also wouldn't fit my needs but that may change soon. Tomiseksj turned me on to the guillotine cutter as it cuts straighter edges better than the scissors can.
I collect used so hinges work great for me at the moment but I am looking to buy a mystic heirloom hinge-less album and move all my better stuff into it. I only need Vol. I. and possibly Vol.II if the mood strikes. Just depends on what years Volume II. covers. Anyone have this and can tell me what years Volume I. and volume II. go to? Also, are the mounts in it top loading? Thanks!
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Post by Cal on Aug 19, 2013 10:53:18 GMT
So, with modern self adhesives, anyone mounting sans mount, using the adheisive directly to the stamp backing? I suppose one would have to worry about the long term impact on the backing paper. Also, readjusting might threaten the backing paper bond to the stamp.
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Post by antoniusra on Aug 19, 2013 16:15:53 GMT
HOGWASH! With over 300,000 stamps in my collection. I've tried everything. Yes, you need scissors to cut the tape which makes it another step and then have to worry about it folding over on it's self and then aligning it to the mount. Oh yes that is much faster than just taking a swipe with a glue stick. You are trying to tell me it's much better and you are not even sure if you use scissors when you cut the mounts??? The tape is thicker than regular Scotch tape, but I wouldn't describe it as "thick". It's about twice as thick as regular Scotch tape. That's true. It's the backing paper that makes it thicker. The backing paper makes it harder to rip than regular scotch tape. I think I need to use scissors to cut the tape, rather than use the dispenser. Overall, it's an improvement over glue sticks.
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Post by Philatarium on Aug 19, 2013 16:42:31 GMT
So, with modern self adhesives, anyone mounting sans mount, using the adheisive directly to the stamp backing? I suppose one would have to worry about the long term impact on the backing paper. Also, readjusting might threaten the backing paper bond to the stamp. I remember reading a few years ago that Post-It's left a small residue on the surface it was attached to, so I've always veered away from any kind of adhesive directly on the stamp. I figure if there was a breakthrough and a product was suitable, that it would be big news in the philatelic community that I would hear about it. (Too bad the crack team at 3M isn't all over this!) -- Dave
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Post by PostmasterGS on Aug 19, 2013 16:51:17 GMT
HOGWASH! With over 300,000 stamps in my collection. I've tried everything. Yes, you need scissors to cut the tape which makes it another step and then have to worry about it folding over on it's self and then aligning it to the mount. Oh yes that is much faster than just taking a swipe with a glue stick. I've tried both, and the tape is far and away the better choice. The adhesive is perfect -- not too sticky, not too light -- allowing you to perfectly position the mounts, and allowing you to remove and reposition them without leaving any residue on the mount or the page (and often without even having to replace the tape). It takes a few seconds longer to apply than glue, but the flexibility it gives you is unmatched.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 19, 2013 16:52:53 GMT
HOGWASH! With over 300,000 stamps in my collection. I've tried everything. Yes, you need scissors to cut the tape which makes it another step and then have to worry about it folding over on it's self and then aligning it to the mount. Oh yes that is much faster than just taking a swipe with a glue stick. You are trying to tell me it's much better and you are not even sure if you use scissors when you cut the mounts??? That's true. It's the backing paper that makes it thicker. The backing paper makes it harder to rip than regular scotch tape. I think I need to use scissors to cut the tape, rather than use the dispenser. Overall, it's an improvement over glue sticks. I'm a huge fan of glue sticks. I've been using them to mount stamp mounts to album pages since around 1997. BUT, they do NOT come off clean. The paper almost always tears. Having moved my collection from White Ace albums to Mystic Heirloom, even the really nice thick White Ace paper got pretty beat up in the move. So, though I like glue sticks a great deal, I like the tape slightly better. And if you use the tape runner, you get all the benefits of tap with the convenience of a glue stick, in theory. The tape runner will be my next experiment.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 19, 2013 16:54:46 GMT
HOGWASH! With over 300,000 stamps in my collection. I've tried everything. Yes, you need scissors to cut the tape which makes it another step and then have to worry about it folding over on it's self and then aligning it to the mount. Oh yes that is much faster than just taking a swipe with a glue stick. I've tried both, and the tape is far and away the better choice. The adhesive is perfect -- not too sticky, not too light -- allowing you to perfectly position the mounts, and allowing you to remove and reposition them without leaving any residue on the mount or the page (and often without even having to replace the tape). It takes a few seconds longer to apply than glue, but the flexibility it gives you is unmatched. Having now tried it, I have to agree, though I am going to grab a tape runner instead, since that will probably speed the process up significantly.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 19, 2013 16:56:03 GMT
Just got back from the local stamp store around the corner. Need to buy some 33mm mounts, and with shipping, I would end up pretty close to Global Stamps price anyway.
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Post by PostmasterGS on Aug 19, 2013 17:13:07 GMT
Cons: 1. It's kind of hard to rip the double stick tape with the backing paper on it. 2. When moving a stamp, the tape stays behind on the page and not on the mount. This is good if you're tossing the page. But if you're re-positioning the mount, you risk the tape going across the split back opening. 3. It's a little slow going, cause you need to put the tape on the back of the mount and then you need to peel the backing paper off. Andy, I've found that the mounts stay securely attached with only a small strip of tape across the top (I cut the tape into strips 1/3 the width of the roll). This also helps avoid getting anywhere near the split back opening unless I'm doing a massive repositioning. To get the tape to come off with the mount more often, I apply the tape first to the page, then peel, then firmly apply the mount. On a side note, that's also part of the reason my stamp boxes are doubled -- the inner border is the same size as my mounts, allowing me to perfectly position the tape on the page, then perfectly align the mount.
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Post by antoniusra on Aug 19, 2013 18:19:59 GMT
Perhaps I am using a different type of glue stick (any I find at the Dollar store or Walmart) but I have never once had a mount take with it the slightest trace of paper from the page when using them. Sure there is the slightest little bit of residue left behind but pretty much all my stamps have spaces for them, so if a mount came off a space it will certainly be covered up again. The reason I started using glue sticks was because the glue on the mounts did tear the pages. I'm glad all of this makes sense to me because I am the only one I have to please and I am. I have nothing more to add on the subject
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 19, 2013 18:30:02 GMT
Perhaps I am using a different type of glue stick (any I find at the Dollar store or Walmart) but I have never once had a mount take with it the slightest trace of paper from the page when using them. Sure there is the slightest little bit of residue left behind but pretty much all my stamps have spaces for them, so if a mount came off a space it will certainly be covered up again. The reason I started using glue sticks was because the glue on the mounts did tear the pages. I'm glad all of this makes sense to me because I am the only one I have to please and I am. I have nothing more to add on the subject I use Elmer's glue sticks. Perhaps they hold to the paper better?
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Post by Cal on Aug 19, 2013 20:17:28 GMT
I remember reading a few years ago that Post-It's left a small residue on the surface it was attached to, so I've always veered away from any kind of adhesive directly on the stamp. I figure if there was a breakthrough and a product was suitable, that it would be big news in the philatelic community that I would hear about it. (Too bad the crack team at 3M isn't all over this!) -- Dave I'm not sure this is worth the old debate ... on self-adhesive stamps, is the backing paper part of the stamp? And, with few exceptions, since they will never be rare, do we care? I've frequently thought about using a few of the dispensed glue dots on the back and be done with it. ... Cal
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Post by rod222 on Aug 19, 2013 20:18:15 GMT
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Post by Philatarium on Aug 19, 2013 22:38:35 GMT
Cal: The only reason I think it could matter is this, from the Scott catalog:
Based on that, and it's just my opinion, but I would think for a self-adhesive stamp to be truly "never hinged", it shouldn't have any indication of any disturbance of the back side of the backing paper.
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Post by antoniusra on Aug 20, 2013 0:10:39 GMT
Under no circumstances ever use Crystal or Buxton mounts. If you have any, throw them out before you do something stupid, like using them Ok, I know what Crystal mounts are, since I used to have a bunch of them. The only thing that made me stop using them was the fact that I liked black Showgard mounts better. Even the stamp store I bought the Showgards from didn't warn me about them. Having my mounts yellow at the glue strip taught me what a bad idea they were.... But what are/were Buxton mounts? Never heard of those things.
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Post by antoniusra on Aug 20, 2013 0:12:40 GMT
Oops forgot those infamous Buxton mounts:
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Post by antoniusra on Aug 20, 2013 0:23:56 GMT
Sheesh, you can forget what I said about the Buxton mount it's clumsy but not the one I was thinking of and at least better than the Crystal. I just tried using one and it works differently than I thought. I don't know what the mounts are called that I'm trying to talk about. They have a Black piece of thicker backing paper and a seperate clear piece that wraps around all 4 edges and is glued down all around. I probably have afew around on pages that were just not worth tryin to get the stamps out of but able to drag threw boxes right now. Sorry for the confusion on my part.
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Post by antoniusra on Aug 20, 2013 0:28:17 GMT
Cal: The only reason I think it could matter is this, from the Scott catalog: Based on that, and it's just my opinion, but I would think for a self-adhesive stamp to be truly "never hinged", it shouldn't have any indication of any disturbance of the back side of the backing paper. -- Dave The only way that seems proper to deal with these is to remove and use the stamps surrounding the stamp you are going to keep. Then cut around stamp without damaging seperation cuts on the stamp leaving the backing paper attached
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Post by Philatarium on Aug 20, 2013 3:26:36 GMT
Mitchell: I think that's pretty accurate. I don't have much modern self-adhesive material, but that's pretty much how it's been handled. Most of the time, though, I've just gotten the full sheet of something, in order to put off that decision. -- Dave
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Post by Jerry B on Aug 20, 2013 14:03:32 GMT
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Andy Did your store still have PM mounts? Those were supposed to be the answer to Crystal Mounts but they were also horrible. In breaking down collections I cannot tell you how many stamps have the tell-tale sign of PM Mounts, fuzzy little black things on the stamp back. Most collectors sealed all 4 sides and some left the top open. The open top ones fared a little better than the sealed. With those mounts there was no way to remove them from a page.
The most ingenious, and probably the most expensive, solution was one I came across a few years back. The collector cut off the bottom corners of glassine envelopes, mounted that to the album page and put the stamp in the glassine corner. Stamp collectors can get pretty creative.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 20, 2013 15:33:14 GMT
Hi AndyDid your store still have PM mounts? Those were supposed to be the answer to Crystal Mounts but they were also horrible. In breaking down collections I cannot tell you how many stamps have the tell-tale sign of PM Mounts, fuzzy little black things on the stamp back. Most collectors sealed all 4 sides and some left the top open. The open top ones fared a little better than the sealed. With those mounts there was no way to remove them from a page. The most ingenious, and probably the most expensive, solution was one I came across a few years back. The collector cut off the bottom corners of glassine envelopes, mounted that to the album page and put the stamp in the glassine corner. Stamp collectors can get pretty creative.
Jerry B I was hoping that if the guy had Crystal mounts, he might have Dennison hinges. No such luck...
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 21, 2013 3:48:50 GMT
Just picked this up this evening at AC Moore Says it acid-free and photo safe. I'll be testing it tomorrow. Cost me $5.80
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Aug 23, 2013 3:53:56 GMT
Tape runner is the way to go! The speed of glue sticks, with the convenience of removable tape. I'm quite happy using the tape runner.
Of course glue sticks are cheaper, so price-wise they'll always win.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 27, 2013 11:00:46 GMT
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Post by Zuzu on Aug 27, 2013 18:46:24 GMT
Rod, do you have a craft/hobby store near you? Any place that carries scrapbooking supplies would likely have the removable adhesive.
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