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Post by spain1850 on Aug 28, 2013 16:00:05 GMT
Here is another type of mount, pretty much the same as Crystal mounts, and with the same yellowing effect at the adhesive strip. These were my first venture into mounts, many years ago, when I decided to get "serious" about my collecting. I still keep this unopened package around to remind me.  |
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Post by ncbucki on Jan 31, 2014 23:10:56 GMT
Showgard mounts have been around for a long time. I started using them in 1962. With my first order I received this handy measuring gauge. Notice that at that time there were 19 different sizes.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Feb 1, 2014 2:56:31 GMT
Some interesting facts about mounts. Showgard mounts are just Shaufix mounts from Germany rebranded by Vidiform for sale in the US. Scott mounts are Prinz mounts rebranded by Amos for sale in the US.
Washington Press, the makers of White Ace albums, make their own mount, which are basically little pockets, closed on all 3 sides and open only on top. I have no idea if the mounts are someone else's rebranded.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Feb 1, 2014 3:19:37 GMT
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Post by ChrisW on Feb 2, 2014 13:26:36 GMT
Interesting history about Hawid mounts Andy. I have decided to use clear Hawid mounts for my WW classic collection (the ones that I mount, the majority I use hinges). With all the variety of sizes, it is a real benefit to be able to trim down to any size instead of having to keep so many different sizes on hand. Clear mounts are so much more forgiving to not-so-straight cutting...I cut my mounts with the stamps in them using scissors  I have never had any problems with the stamps falling out using these mounts, which is one of the main criticism I have heard about using these mounts. |
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Feb 15, 2014 16:38:23 GMT
To bring an old thread back....
The Tombow removal adhesive is not standing up to the test of time.
I'm using 65 lb Staples cover stock, and when I open my albums back up, mounts were popping off the pages. But I also having problems with toner coming off these pages also, so it could be the paper. I'm going to switch to PostmasterGS's solution and see how that holds up. I'll report back in a few weeks.
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Post by Cal on Feb 15, 2014 17:57:21 GMT
Andy ... and his solution is ... ?
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Feb 15, 2014 18:29:04 GMT
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Post by mark on Jun 2, 2014 7:58:14 GMT
I have a lot of mini-collections in binders that do not involve album pages. One example is my proof collection, many of which are Roosevelt small die proofs. I use Hagner sheets with Mylar pockets to display my proofs. But I still put the proofs in Scott mounts. This lets me handle the proofs without worrying about stains and fingerprints. Whenever I get a new addition, I'm constantly moving items around. Sometimes the different proof thicknesses (cardboard P4s vs india paper P3s) allows the thinner P3s to fall out of the pockets. With each proof protected in its own mount, there is no need to panic if it falls on the floor. (Just slide a piece of paper under the mount and lift it up. With bare stamps, this could easily damage the perfs.) The added cost of a few cents for the mount is nothing compared to the replacement cost of the proofs. With only about 100 Roosevelt proofs in existence for each variety, replacement is not an option
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Post by mark on Jun 2, 2014 8:25:32 GMT
But I also having problems with toner coming off these pages also, so it could be the paper. Andy, you should be very careful using Xerographic album pages.. Photocopies use an oil to keep the toner from adhering to the fuser rolls that melt the toner into the paper. This oil is absorbed by the paper and can attack your stamps, particularly over long times and pressures. The toner on the paper can also cause pages to stick together, particularly if you store your albums horizontally and put any significant weight on top. The toner coming off the pages can also be an indication of a humidity problem. When paper gets wet, it expands but the toner, being plastic, doesn't. Too much humidity and the toner will pop off the paper. These machines are designed for the office environment and don't work as well at home. Finally, the card stock does not work well with the Xerographic process. The stiff paper tends to be smoothly finished and does not hold onto the toner too well. It also absorbs a lot of heat from the fuser rolls, allowing them to run cooler than desired in long runs of any more than a few sheets. This degrades the toner fix to the paper. (For thick papers, a slower machine works better because the fix performance is related to the dwell time in the fuser. The slower the process speed, the more time the toner has to melt and stick to the paper.) Having worked as an engineer at Xerox for over 30 years and dealing with these issues, I would never use Xerography to create album pages. Stick with inkjet, relatively cheap 20# paper, and a good mount to protect your stamps. |
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 2, 2014 14:20:27 GMT
I learned that if I crank up the heat on the fuser, the toner sticks like a champ. 20 lb paper is way too thing for me, especially with mounts. I tried to use 32 lb all cotton paper, but the ink bleeds too much and doesn't seem to want to make nice crisp lines and images.
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Post by jimwentzell on Dec 6, 2018 1:27:19 GMT
Just thought I'd revive this old but useful thread; I never saw it before today! Probably not the only one.....
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 6, 2018 2:23:46 GMT
I hadn't seen this thread either, jimwentzell. There is a lot in here! So here is what I have. The green pack is what I have been buying for a while. Trajan had the blue packs on sale recently, so I bought a pile of them. Aside from the obvious differences in length (green: 217 mm / blue & yellow 210 mm) and numbers (green 25 strips / blue & yellow 20 stripes (sic)) I don't know what the differences between them are. I still have a number of green packages left, so I'll use them and that one yellow pack. Then I'll rip open the blues. I had ordered 3 packages of the yellow Uni-Safe's at the stamp club. It took 7 weeks to receive them, and on top of that, I had ordered & paid for 3 packages, but only one came. I guess the go-between's needed some too! |
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Post by jimwentzell on Dec 6, 2018 13:16:21 GMT
Seven weeks to receive one pack of mounts, wow! Maybe held up in Customs...? Either way a major headache.
I use mounts, but RARELY buy any at retail, as our local stamp club ALWAYS seems to have odd lots of new (unopened) and also opened packs of Lighthouse Hawid or other better type. Often they are around a dollar or two a pack, unopened! I prefer the black, German-made. If they are not split-cut, I mount them with the open side UP rather than down, to avoid stamps falling out while handling albums. I will now try a glue stick, rather than moistening the back (Sometimes I use archive tape, but often don't have a roll handy).
Also quite often I bid on (and only sometimes win) auction lots / collection remainders (at our local stamp club, bourse, online, and through StampAuctionNetwork) the albums quite often have VERY useable mounts. Especially when larger items like souvenir sheets (sometimes called sheetlets) are mounted.
My preference is to UNMOUNT cheaper stamps and souvenir sheets from any acquisitions, preferring to put them in black Vario pages. These handy pages, including shipping, cost way under a dollar each, as I buy packs of five or twenty five, usually the seven or eight row pages. This leaves me the larger mounts to down-size using my paper cutter. Saves me money so I can mount more expensive, especially older (pre-1920 or so) stamps that are more fragile than newer issues.
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 6, 2018 13:51:41 GMT
The yellow pack took seven weeks, as I bought it at a discount at the Trenton Stamp Club. I had to wait because the club "agent" had to go to the Oshawa club, which hold their meetings on Friday mornings. He gets there once or twice a month. Then hand the order in to their "agent", who then moseys around and eventually gets the order. Then it has to make its way back to our agent, who then has to a) remember to bring it to the club, and b) tell me it is in! And hopefully not come up short with the order.
I vowed never to do that again.
I thought the dealers they get at the club would bring in supplies, but none of them did. All stock books & more stockbooks and envelopes of album pages.
They have silent auctions of stuff, but again, it is just cast-off stamps or once there were ½ size cards for mounting stamps to put in their auction. Meh...
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Post by dgdecker on Dec 6, 2018 17:47:02 GMT
Brightonpete,
I too use the green and blue packages. I found that measurements on the blue packages are not the same as green ones. It says 24 mmbut a 24 mm stamp is too big. I have found this with all packages I bought. I think I has read in a post on a forum that the size difference is determined on whether it is the actual width of the strip. Or is the width from the inside “ display” area inside the mounting area. It has created a bit of frustration for me.
David
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Post by angore on Nov 8, 2019 0:11:31 GMT
I purchased a Great Britain collection on Scott pages and this is a typical page. This is where black mounts and not enough attention to cutting comes into play. Clears are far more giving to less than perfect cutting and stamp orientations. Getting stamps centered is important and can get askew.
Why did the prior owner write the catalog numbers down adjacent to stamp when they are printed in the space under the stamp? The entire back mount was moistened so you cannot lift them up.
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Post by philatelia on Nov 8, 2019 0:18:21 GMT
Looks like they were getting the collection ready to sell judging by those catalog numbers. Sheesh! Sloppy mounting, eh? But you never know. The previous owner may have had Parkinson’s or poor vision.
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 8, 2019 0:58:47 GMT
I use black split backs to mount my U.S. collection in a National album and have been using clear mounts, selectively, when mounting in the Scott Internationals. When I first started, I used scissors and a homemade template. Life changed, for the better, when I started using a guillotine.
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Post by Jerry B on Nov 8, 2019 11:29:38 GMT
Hi philatelia
Or was just plain sloppy.
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Post by angore on Nov 8, 2019 12:14:53 GMT
If you use black mounts and do not have a guillotine, ask for one for your birthday or religious holiday if it involves gift giving.
Some may have heard of the USMC's "Toys for Tots" so now we can have "Cutters for stampers".
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Post by gmot on Nov 8, 2019 14:03:52 GMT
I"m very fond of my little Lighthouse guillotine. Easy to use, cuts nice and makes a satisfying "shick" sound too Plus my stamps appreciate being mounted so well, I'm sure of it. |
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Post by brightonpete on Nov 8, 2019 14:19:15 GMT
I have a Fiskar's guillotine cutter. The blade run on it is 9-½". Very sharp replaceable blade with guide wire. Very easy to use and won't fall apart like that mini Lighthouse cutter did on me! See it here: Fiskar message |
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Post by philatelia on Nov 8, 2019 14:55:04 GMT
As expensive as mounts are, I can't imagine not buying a cutter! They aren't THAT pricy, eh? And, Jerry B , you're probably right! But you never know. I DO know I wouldn't be entering that mess into any "beautiful collections" contests. Ugh! Makes me glad I use Hagnars and Varios. I don't have to pay for and cut mounts. I've seen too many stamps with mount damage. A common one is wetting the back of the mount so heavily that it moistens the gum creating a line of gum disturbance across the back of the stamp. ick! Or forcing a too large stamp into a too small mount compressing the perfs. again, ick! |
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Post by Jerry B on Nov 8, 2019 15:16:10 GMT
Hi Regarding using mounts, see: thestampforum.boards.net/post/1847/threadRegarding Cutters: I still have (30 years) the Showgard original Excal cutter and it still as sharp as day 1. Unfortunately, the new Showgard cutters do not have an extension bar for measuring the mount length. However, Lighthouse has one similar to the old Excal: Mount CutterPersonal observation: Has anyone else noticed that NEW is not necessarily better. Old proverb: "If it ain't broke don't fix it.". Jerry B |
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Post by renden on Nov 8, 2019 16:29:02 GMT
Now we have 2 threads on Mounts !
I think that this one should be "grafted" to Jerry B.'s thestampforum.boards.net/post/1847/thread (>The Basics of Stamp collecting 101>Tips for using Stamp Mounts - this thread has 3 pages of good info, up to Dec 2018 - I will be asking our ADMIN if it is possible to put this one in the mentioned thread.
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Post by daveg28 on Nov 8, 2019 16:41:18 GMT
The mount cutter I use I pirated from my mom's old scrapbooking supplies that she no longer uses. Works great, and can accommodate up to 12". I can't imagine that it was very expensive.
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Post by darkormex on Nov 8, 2019 23:46:09 GMT
I have a guillotine cutter that I purchased many years ago that is not sturdy, the blade is not sharp and/or does not meet the metal edge of the board surface properly and hence, does not cut well. This was really disappointing because it was this way when I bought it. My mother, however, introduced me to her olfa rotary cutter and mat and I have used it for years now, to cut all my mounts. I measure how much I want to cut based on either the square on the page I am mounting on or the stamp itself and then use a metal straight edge to cut my mounts with the rotary cutter. This has always been really successful for me. OlfaHere is how a typical page looks after mounting:  I am not a fan of crooked mounts on my pages. |
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 10, 2019 8:28:00 GMT
My "mini" Hawid guilliontine cutter along with T-mounts by Scott have served me well over the years. I realize it is a personal preference or choice whether to use clear or black mounts, but I have chosen to design my pages and use the clear mounts as they tend to be more forgiving when it comes to alignment and their visibility.
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Post by Doe on Nov 10, 2019 16:14:45 GMT
Looks like they were getting the collection ready to sell judging by those catalog numbers. Sheesh! Sloppy mounting, eh? But you never know. The previous owner may have had Parkinson’s or poor vision. |
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I have never had any problems with the stamps falling out using these mounts, which is one of the main criticism I have heard about using these mounts.
