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Post by blaamand on Jul 8, 2020 9:17:13 GMT
I saw this nice 'Mauritius Stamp' thread first time today, and appreciate all the nice stamps already shown, thanks to all  I've just started my next project, creating custom pages for Mauritius and transfer my collection - and expect I'm gonna hang around in this thread for the next weeks  |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 8, 2020 9:34:05 GMT
renden - I'm sorry I've missed your previous posts concerning your 'B65' Rodrigues postmarks until today.  Seems your posts haven't fetched the response such a rarity could deserve! Mind you, few are aware of the curiosity added by the 'B65' cancel, so most fail to appreciate them. Stanley Gibbons list the 'B64' of the Seychelles (with significant premium), however SG only briefly mentions the 'B65' without actually listing prices for them, hence most collectors don't realize what the 'B65' signify. In fact they are much less common than the sought-after 'B64', both because the population on Rodrigues was very limited and also because of the Rodrigues remote location away from the commonly used shipping routes, so much less ships stopped for supplies/bunkers etc at Rodrigues compared to the Seychelles. Fortunately the auction result you shared from Spink shows that some collectors appreciate these as the true curiosities they really are, example given that 1859 6d stamp sold for 10 times catalogue value. For anyone curious to get yourself a 'B65', they are very hard to find by chance!! Quite conveniently Michael Hamilton has a dedicated 'shelf' (LINK) in his store for 'B65' Rodrigues. But you must be prepared to pay, the asked prices is from 20 to 225 times that of cataloge value!  Example given this SG. #134 / Sc. #113: The catalogue value of the stamp itself is minimal at only £1,- - offered by Hamilton at no less than £225,- Conclusion - Your 'B65' is much less common than it appears to be Rene! 
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Post by blaamand on Jul 8, 2020 10:35:43 GMT
Hopefully someone knowledgable can assist on a puzzle. I came across some Mauritius stamps yesterday that I cannot identify. My regular 1902 'Postage & Revenue.' overprint set looks like this:  Mauritius 1902, SG #157-162 / Sc. #118-123. With 'Postage & Revenue.' overprint. What surprises me are these 2 stamps below, the 'Postage & Revenue.' overprints are inverted:  I cannot find any reference to inverted overprints for this set, neither in my SG, Scott, Michel or online  Do we have a capacity on Mauritius or Commonwealth that can share some light on this? Forged overprints? Any help appreciated, thanks! |
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 8, 2020 12:37:20 GMT
blaamand , Here is the listing from the 2009 Scott:  I'm certainly not knowledgeable but assume that forgeries likely exist for the 2r50c stamp.
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 8, 2020 13:20:28 GMT
All that Gibbons says about these is " overprinted locally" "to make surplus postage stamps available for revenue (fiscal) purposes also"
So, and here I speculate,
1. Quality control was less rigorous in Mauritius than it might have been in London
2. a number of sheets were fed in the wrong way round.
3 if intended for Fiscal use principally as there was a surplus of postage stamps available , the authorities didn't mind using them up fiscally.
It is however very surprising that none of the catalogues you cite mention the inversion.
This means one of two things a) the catalogue editors have never been made aware of this
or b) they think it is such a common event not worth listing separately .
however if it a common event why have we not seen more of these? Strange !
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Post by renden on Jul 8, 2020 13:37:33 GMT
renden - I'm sorry I've missed your previous posts concerning your 'B65' Rodrigues postmarks until today. Jon blaamand - I am sure you remember that the B65 was given by you.....years back  |
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Post by renden on Jul 8, 2020 17:40:30 GMT
And here is another nice Mauritius Postmark on Scott 142 (1910 issue) dated OC 30 13 from Vacoas - now the twin cities of Vacoas-Phoenix (fused in 1963) in Mauritius René  |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 9, 2020 0:31:31 GMT
All that Gibbons says about these is " overprinted locally" "to make surplus postage stamps available for revenue (fiscal) purposes also"
So, and here I speculate, 1. Quality control was less rigorous in Mauritius than it might have been in London 2. a number of sheets were fed in the wrong way round. 3 if intended for Fiscal use principally as there was a surplus of postage stamps available , the authorities didn't mind using them up fiscally. It is however very surprising that none of the catalogues you cite mention the inversion. This means one of two things a) the catalogue editors have never been made aware of this or b) they think it is such a common event not worth listing separately . however if it a common event why have we not seen more of these? Strange ! Thanks for your knowledgable feedback as always. I am thinking - or speculating  - exactly as yourself. SG in particular has quite extensive listings of inverted overprints and other varieties for classical stamps of Mauritius, so it is strange nothing is mentioned about this set. Just out of curiosity I checked on eBay and Delcampe and didn't find any similar stamps with inverted overprints, so it might not be very common? In addition to the two things a) and b) you ar suggesting I like to add a point c) the inverted overprints I've found might be fake. However normally SG would normally have mentioned that as well (that any inverted overprints are fake) so it is still a little mystery to me. Does anybody else have any insight on these? |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 9, 2020 0:51:57 GMT
Haha, yes indeed I remember. I even recognise the stamp That was not what I was trying to get at tough. I wanted to elaborate on your posts, and make anyone in this forum aware, at least those that are interested in postal history or postmarks, so they can start looking for these hidden 'gems' themselves. Personally I've been on the lookout for 'B65's for about 6 years, and until now I have only found 5 different stamps with 'B65' in regular Mauritius lots/items. I was lucky to get 4 of them 'for nothing' - but lost the 5th item to another bidder. Most likely the buyer recognised the 'B65' himself, because the item in question container 4 very common Mauritius stamps, but sold for 80USD! I am quite sure the seller was shocked and thrilled, he was probably expecting no more than 2-3 USD. |
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Post by darkormex on Jul 9, 2020 1:43:59 GMT
This spurred me to look through my meager selection of Mauritius stamps in my stock book and unfortunately I could not find any B64 or B65 cancellation strikes but I did find this two cent Queen Victoria, Scott 70, cancelled in Curepipe.  |
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Post by renden on Jul 16, 2020 14:23:07 GMT
A nice S/S of Mauritius (issued 29-8-1979) to commemorate Sir Rowland Hill and the rest is History- Scott 487  |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 21, 2020 15:25:40 GMT
I discovered this little curiosity today:  Mauritius SG #105 - 4c carmine. Variety? Freak? It almost looks like Her Majesty has had something coming out her nose  Not a listed variety in my SG. Does anyone have a more detailed reference for classic Mauritius and varieties? I am suspecting though that it is not a constant flaw, but rather a 'freak' due to debris on the plate. Curious to have others opinions on it. |
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Post by kgvistamps on Jul 22, 2020 13:40:36 GMT
The Mauritius King George VI stamps from the 1938 set can be a complex group to identify. However, there were three dies used in printing these stamps and if you can figure out the dies you can determine the relative time period each stamp was printed. I have an article on my website that will show you how to identify the dies and how to sort the stamps. Included are page scans of the stamps that make up all of the printings (per Frank Saunders of the King George VI Collectors Society). Here is a link you can use to view the site, and a sample page showing the 10R printings.
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Post by blaamand on Jul 24, 2020 15:46:29 GMT
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Post by blaamand on Jul 24, 2020 15:49:14 GMT
 Mauritius Coat of Arms 1895-1904 I love the design! My copy of 2.50R is unfortunately in bad state, and the 5R with fiscal cancellation, but I am happy none the less. Didn't find any of the watermark varieties yet...the hunt continues! |
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Post by anglobob on Sept 22, 2020 16:27:50 GMT
Postmarks from various locations .The stamp is SG321,issued in 1965.  |
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Post by JeffS on Sept 24, 2020 15:54:48 GMT
A rather nice ROSE BELLE, 1909.
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Post by anglobob on Sept 28, 2020 16:29:08 GMT
Assorted postmarks on SG387.depicting a sea urchin,issued in 1969.  |
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Post by anglobob on Dec 13, 2021 17:24:17 GMT
SG 293-306. Issued from 1953 to 1958 with designs previously used for George VI issues but with a portrait of Queen Elizabeth II.Printed in photogravure on chalk-surfaced paper by Harrison. This series has numerous shades and watermark varieties.  |
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 13, 2021 22:28:55 GMT
I Sold these two on ebay this week  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 13, 2021 22:34:53 GMT
Those are nice, Alex ( vikingeck).... too bad they're gone, as I still need those! That's what I get for not paying much attention on eBay this week. You are one of my saved sellers, too, but I have been working so much that I haven't been taking the time to peruse all of the offerings recently. |
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Post by REL1948 on Dec 13, 2021 22:37:32 GMT
Those are some beautiful full margined examples Alex, very nice. Are these SG28 and SG30?
Rob
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 13, 2021 23:12:55 GMT
I guess so Rob . It is intriguing that the redbrown, on blued paper which was never issued , seems to have been prepared around 1858 With the same prussiate inks as Perkins Bacon had used in Cape of Good Hope and GB penny red causing bluing of the paper …….however the blued paper issues of these two countries had ended by 1855 . Were the printers using up old stock for Mauritius?
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Post by racatrien on Dec 14, 2021 17:41:44 GMT
Mauritius 1880 Sc # 61 - 8c bl cancelled "B65" from Rodrigues Island
 January 4, 2019 I added another image from Retroveal.org showing the B65 cancel "better" - René  I go back this post because this B65 amazes me. As far as I'm concerned I seem to see B63. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 14, 2021 17:58:51 GMT
Thanks for your comment, racatrien , regarding B63 versus B65. For what it's worth, I agree that it also looks like it could be a "3" rather than a "5". So, I went to the source for these types of postmarks, which you can see below. B63 is a location in England, whereas B65 is in Mauritius, and the postmark appears on a Mauritius stamp. In that case, it seems highly probable that the ID of B65 is correct.  Source: www.gbps.org.uk/information/po-numbers/provincial2.php |
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Post by michael on Dec 14, 2021 19:44:05 GMT
I guess so Rob . It is intriguing that the redbrown, on blued paper which was never issued , seems to have been prepared around 1858 With the same prussiate inks as Perkins Bacon had used in Cape of Good Hope and GB penny red causing bluing of the paper …….however the blued paper issues of these two countries had ended by 1855 . Were the printers using up old stock for Mauritius?
The red-brown Britannia stamps were actually delivered to Mauritius in 1849 along with green and magenta ones, so the printing predates the printing of the COGH stamps.
In 1857 when they eventually decided to use stamps they ordered different ones, vermillion and blue.
From 1858, the green and magenta from the 1st batch were used along with the vermillion from the 2nd batch.
The red-brown and blue were never used and were sold to collectors as remainders. That's why they are plentiful and cheap.
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 14, 2021 19:46:34 GMT
Thanks michael for the clarification. That makes sense of the print and blueing as seen in the other contemporary Perkins Bacon printings . |
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Post by renden on Dec 14, 2021 20:04:54 GMT
Thanks for your comment, racatrien , regarding B63 versus B65. For what it's worth, I agree that it also looks like it could be a "3" rather than a "5". So, I went to the source for these types of postmarks, which you can see below. B63 is a location in England, whereas B65 is in Mauritius, and the postmark appears on a Mauritius stamp. In that case, it seems highly probable that the ID of B65 is correct. Thanks racatrien and Beryllium Guy for bringing back a good souvenir from 2018 - This stamp was given to me by Jon blaamand , in friendship - he is from Norway and usually quite busy on the Forum - ! B65 from Rodriges Island ( is part of the Mascarene Islands, which include Mauritius and Réunion. Rodrigues is of volcanic origin etc -Wiki) René |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Dec 14, 2021 22:12:36 GMT
I guess so Rob . It is intriguing that the redbrown, on blued paper which was never issued , seems to have been prepared around 1858 With the same prussiate inks as Perkins Bacon had used in Cape of Good Hope and GB penny red causing bluing of the paper …….however the blued paper issues of these two countries had ended by 1855 . Were the printers using up old stock for Mauritius?
The red-brown Britannia stamps were actually delivered to Mauritius in 1849 along with green and magenta ones, so the printing predates the printing of the COGH stamps.
In 1857 when they eventually decided to use stamps they ordered different ones, vermillion and blue.
From 1858, the green and magenta from the 1st batch were used along with the vermillion from the 2nd batch.
The red-brown and blue were never used and were sold to collectors as remainders. That's why they are plentiful and cheap.
Sometime after 1872, quantities of the red-brown and blue stamps were sold back to Perkins Bacon and later used, overprinted, at the first major British Stamp Exhibition* as show souvenirs. Some of the sheets were perforated. * London Philatelic Exhibition, Portman Rooms, Baker Street, London. May 19-26 1890. |
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Post by racatrien on Jan 29, 2022 23:03:11 GMT
A rather nice ROSE BELLE, 1909.
Someone would know what the letter A corresponds to. I happened to find A, B or C but also 1, 2 or 3. Maybe different post offices or different pick-up times for the letters |
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- exactly as yourself. SG in particular has quite extensive listings of inverted overprints and other varieties for classical stamps of Mauritius, so it is strange nothing is mentioned about this set. Just out of curiosity I checked on eBay and Delcampe and didn't find any similar stamps with inverted overprints, so it might not be very common? 
