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Post by rex on Dec 19, 2021 13:46:14 GMT
Perhaps I have mistakenly expressed myself using the term 'appraise', I believe that the stamp needs an expert certificate of authenticity of the stamp and of the cancellation. We then have the evaluation from the catalogs.
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 19, 2021 13:58:10 GMT
2200 euro catalog value mean about 200-400 euro market price? more or less, depending where/how do you sell it. Also the stamp is a good quality (i didn't see the back, but you can tell me if there are faults or not). The cost of an expertization in Italy is around 80-90 euro (50 the certificate, maybe less depending by the expert, plus S/H, also consider there is sometime a minimum invoicing value, if i'm right Raybaudi is around 60 euro). Which expert? The older are now retired or close to. Raybaudi died and now there is his assistant going on (Serena Vignati). Sorani now passed all to his daugther (Manuela), the same Carraro with his son Diego. Caffaz is well know and appreciated, and by my side, the few time i needed, i used to go to Antonello Cerruti of the SPR (Studio Peritale Romano).
If you're going to think to an expertization, i suggest you to consider asking to an italian expert, at least try it...
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 19, 2021 14:59:40 GMT
Perhaps I have mistakenly expressed myself using the term 'appraise', I believe that the stamp needs an expert certificate of authenticity of the stamp and of the cancellation. We then have the evaluation from the catalogs. No, I understood exactly what you meant. There are many terms used for the same thing, that being whether the postmark is authentic. For me it is not worth getting a verification unless I planned to sell it. I agree that if I were to get it checked that it would be best done in Italy. The local authenticator I spoke of just does Canada when I checked their website. It is just a fortunate find in a massive lot of stamps a friend has given me to look through and keep what I want. The rest he will sell in a general estate auction. The finds of decent stamps have been minimal. The back of this stamp is clean with no flaws detected. Thanks again for your input. Stay safe. |
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renden
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Post by renden on Mar 1, 2022 15:08:52 GMT
Italy series completed (finally) ! René  |
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rex
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Post by rex on Mar 2, 2022 9:02:10 GMT
'Imperial' series. Hi René renden ... well done you have completed the ordinary series with also the value of 3.70 Lire from 1930 and the value of 1 Lira from 1942. As you may have noticed this 'Imperial' series is a very long-lived series spanning 1929-1946 with overprints and lieutenancy. |
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Post by nick2302 on Oct 2, 2023 1:48:48 GMT
I went and checked out www.ibolli.it/index.php. It is a very interesting site as it mixes history and stamps. It is pretty well organized site. Lucky for me I read and speak Italian so that may have me looking through a different lens. The prices are in Euros which fluctuate almost hourly during a busy day. The stamps are priced as an example for e,40 so near 40 cents. The Scott catalog lists the stamps at 0.55 US. so nearly the same as catalog. I will spend more time checking out this site and determine if it reasonable cost wise. I would have to read the cost of postage and hos the site figures out shipping costs. At first blush not a bad place to look for that elusive stamp. Nick |
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Dec 10, 2023 19:51:57 GMT
A series of stamps showing famous fountains,issued from 1973 to 1979.   |
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 10, 2023 22:26:18 GMT
Fountains of Italy, one of my favorite set.
Nice
The set of Rene is which we call the Imperial issue, with a lot of references to the old Roman Empire
Giulio Cesare
Augusto
The Capitoline Wolf, suckling Romolo an Remo
The Italy Turrita, the symbol of Italy, a woman with an elm made of walls and towers
Vittorio Emanuele the 3rd
And the Lictor Fasces, another symbols of the Roman Empire
very widely used reused and overprinted
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Dec 11, 2023 14:48:20 GMT
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 10, 2024 2:47:55 GMT
Academia
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mccloughlin
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Post by mccloughlin on Jan 16, 2024 19:42:24 GMT
Colleagues, any thoughts about the post-mark on this 50c Italy stamp? Also, can you confirm it is a postmark and not an occupation overprint? Thanks for any advice. Thomas  |
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Post by franoise on Jan 16, 2024 20:01:56 GMT
Lotteria Automobilistica di Tripoli ?  |
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Post by mccloughlin on Jan 16, 2024 20:26:07 GMT
Hi Franoise, that looks right. Thank you so much. Great to have an image of the complete mark. Best wishes, Thomas Lotteria Automobilistica di Tripoli ? |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 16, 2024 21:02:39 GMT
Reminding myself.
FERROVIA is a Post Office at a Railway Station, not an TPO / RPO
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 13, 2024 1:36:16 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Mar 14, 2024 22:46:53 GMT
Admin Many thanks for the March 2024 "The American Philatelist" ! Excited to read a editorial piece on CORRADO MEZZANA..... One of my favourite stamp designers . Yay! Some of his work. 
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Post by doug534 on Jun 26, 2024 16:44:36 GMT
Eight years ago rod222 showed the forum his pages of revenue stamps from Italy. Among the covers in my dad's philatelic materials, in storage since his death in 1957, I found a small package of stamps labelled "Stamps Al sent from Italy." Most were revenue stamps included among those rod222 had pictured. The exception was the 60c shown here. Along with his images, Rod222 stated there was no catalogue and no information. Is there more information now?  |
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Post by franoise on Jun 26, 2024 18:08:19 GMT
Listed in Colnect
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 26, 2024 21:15:25 GMT
In Italy there are catalogs about revenue stamps, the latest one from Unificato, but the collection of revenue stamps is not so diffused and the real collectors are just a few. I'm not aware of an online catalog, maybe colnet is the only one. But on this forum www.lafilatelia.it there is a thread "for those who like fiscals but don't have a catalog"... Not really an online catalog, but enough for a quick overview... www.lafilatelia.it/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1375&hilit=fiscali(Yes, you must sign in to view images) The stamp you were pointing out is for income tax, industry and trade, the actual VAT. The low fare of 60c remind to the kingdom period, 1940.  |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jun 27, 2024 2:22:33 GMT
Eight years ago rod222 showed the forum his pages of revenue stamps from Italy. Among the covers in my dad's philatelic materials, in storage since his death in 1957, I found a small package of stamps labelled "Stamps Al sent from Italy." Most were revenue stamps included among those rod222 had pictured. The exception was the 60c shown here. Along with his images, Rod222 stated there was no catalogue and no information. Is there more information now? Yes there is .............  Is franoise' ID sufficient ? |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 13, 2024 15:41:09 GMT
I'll start here with this one, but have a sneaking feeling that this stamp may have a connection with San Marino - I think S.M. was once a satellite of Italy - if I'm in the wrong place apologies, but am floundering somewhat with this one so need advice if possible - thanks. Believe this is possibly what is called a parcel stamp ?? Can't seem to locate in my SG catalogue, and no idea what the ovpt. is implying - so grateful for any ideas - thanks.  |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 13, 2024 15:51:03 GMT
I'll start here with this one, but have a sneaking feeling that this stamp may have a connection with San Marino - I think S.M. was once a satellite of Italy - if I'm in the wrong place apologies, but am floundering somewhat with this one so need advice if possible - thanks. Believe this is possibly what is called a parcel stamp ?? Can't seem to locate in my SG catalogue, and no idea what the ovpt. is implying - so grateful for any ideas - thanks.
Hi Paul,
Scott #59 1890 PP1 02c on 20c Surcharge Parcel Post
Overprint translates to "valid for prints" (Google) ? Thanks to franoise "Valid for Printed Matter"
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Post by franoise on Jul 13, 2024 16:04:09 GMT
"Valid for printed matter" overprint on parcel post stamps. Michel # 64  |
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 13, 2024 16:21:49 GMT
1890 Parcel post. As others have chimed in I will simply add this page from Sassone. Translation not include   |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 13, 2024 16:56:57 GMT
sincere thanks to franoise, rod222 and stainlessb for their help - This is quite a handsome stamp, likewise the other five that complete the set - and for those who use Gibbons the catalogue reference - for this blue value - is SG P 48 - the P standing for 'parcel' - the full range of SG Nos. are P47 to P52 - I was obviously looking in the wrong place. thanks again guys, help much appreciated. Looking at Stanley's snap of the Sassone catalogue page, the 'verde' doesn't look very green, but can now see why there is the v. short black ovpt. - at the sides - half way down the stamp - to obliterate the v. small original value. Does 'di ottima' imply unused, or simply very good used? Some of these issues appear to have half decent values.
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 13, 2024 17:07:54 GMT
di ottima translates as 'excellent'
It might be the light blue page/background causing colors to skew. I've noticed this numerous times (even went so far as to buy some art-craft card stock in a lot of different colors. Some colors really seem to have an impact on how the scanner sensors interpret colors.
Black background seems overall the best choice.
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Post by Hugh on Sept 26, 2024 20:03:49 GMT
I'm just about finished peparing an offer for a collection of BOB Italy stamps. However, I'm stuck on this one Revenue Stamp. I don't have a specialzed catalogue for this area and after a quick search I didn't see a sample like this on any of the usual sales sites. Since Italy (especially Revenue Stamps) is not my thing ... can anyone give me a quick rundown on this? I would have just thought it was routine but I've not seen this overprint (cancel?) before. Thanks for any help.  |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Sept 26, 2024 20:45:24 GMT
I'm just about finished peparing an offer for a collection of BOB Italy stamps. However, I'm stuck on this one Revenue Stamp. I don't have a specialzed catalogue for this area and after a quick search I didn't see a sample like this on any of the usual sales sites. Since Italy (especially Revenue Stamps) is not my thing ... can anyone give me a quick rundown on this? I would have just thought it was routine but I've not seen this overprint (cancel?) before. Thanks for any help. From a query in 2014  |
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Post by franoise on Sept 26, 2024 20:48:30 GMT
It's listed in Forbin revenues catalogue,and in Colnect too |
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Post by rod222 on Sept 26, 2024 20:55:43 GMT
Hugh Page 44  
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