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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 3, 2018 2:40:35 GMT
This is my first post, aside from the introduction. These two stamps are not in Scott's (no surprise). I think they might be revenue stamps. Any assistance would be appreciated! stampguyusa (Jim)
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Post by feebletodix on Aug 3, 2018 6:28:58 GMT
Hello Jim
A is a revenue stamp and B is a Post Office Savings Bank Stamp.
Regards
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 3, 2018 13:11:51 GMT
Hello Jim A is a revenue stamp and B is a Post Office Savings Bank Stamp. Regards Thank you very much. I suspected the revenue, but the Savings Bank was a nice surprise.
Jim
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 14:52:12 GMT
This is my first post, aside from the introduction. These two stamps are not in Scott's (no surprise). I think they might be revenue stamps. Any assistance would be appreciated! stampguyusa (Jim)
Both stamps would probably fall under the "National Savings and Reconstruction" - printed by the Central Trust, Chungking
The top characters in both stamps are identical (different fonts) and indicate they are postal savings
1942 President Lin Sen .0.50c, perf 13, rouletted and perf 10.5-11.5
1943 "Old Coin" $1 - line perf 13, comb perf 12.5
Both sets are fairly common and easily obtained for about $10
These were generally not valid for postage but there was a 1944 issue that could be used and it is in most catalogs.
Original postal savings stamps started in 1919. People deposited their money at the post office and they were given stamps for future redemption.
This was followed by issues of various overprinted "anti-bandit" stamps
Then there are Wartime Postal Savings stamps in 1943 - anyway a complex area to collect
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 5, 2018 1:02:21 GMT
I have almost completed my China stamps to 1949. But I cannot find these two stamps. Anyone who has an idea, I would love to hear from you. Thank you for looking!
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 5, 2018 1:51:45 GMT
Thank you, nl1947, for the addition information. I just read a little about the Anti-bandits, in old back issues of "China Clipper". I don't know a whole lot, but understand some are rather on the expensive side. I think I will stay with postal stamps. Thank you for the interesting comments!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 2:42:23 GMT
Yes they get expensive and complicated
This 1943 Kwangtung issue is differentiated from others by measuring the position and spacing of the same characters that appear on other province stamps (about 35 varieties).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 2:47:16 GMT
I have almost completed my China stamps to 1949. But I cannot find these two stamps. Anyone who has an idea, I would love to hear from you. Thank you for looking!
The easiest explanation would be to point you in the right direction
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 5, 2018 6:12:56 GMT
Never mind, not long after posting, I found the stamps. They are the C.N.C. issue of 1946. Scott listed them as numbers 615-621. As it turns out I have the complete set.
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 8, 2018 3:11:45 GMT
Here is a block of four that I cannot find in Scott's. Location and year would be nice and a Scott's number would be great! Thanks for looking! Stampguyusa (Jim)
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Post by Philatarium on Aug 8, 2018 17:35:29 GMT
Someday I'll get around to understanding China better (my focus has been Japan), but I'm reasonably sure that I've learned before that this particular overprint makes it a postal savings stamp, and, if I'm correct about that, it won't be listed in Scott for that reason.
For me, it's the left-most character of the overprint (which reads right to left) that's the key:
金
That is the character used in Chinese (and Japanese, for that matter) for 'money' and 'gold', and is the first character in the compound for 'bank'.
Hope that's helpful!
But I'm happy to be corrected about this, and I bet someone else on this board can supply more in-depth information!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 18:53:49 GMT
For me, it's the left-most character of the overprint (which reads right to left) that's the key: 金That is the character used in Chinese (and Japanese, for that matter) for 'money' and 'gold', and is the first character in the compound for 'bank'. That is correct it is a postal savings stamp, the 4 character are of the National Reconstruction Savings I believe the group shown may be the Kiangsi overprints on Central Trust |
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 9, 2018 4:20:29 GMT
Thank you all for the knowledgeable replies. I now know why I could not find in Scott's. Thank you for the knowledge I have gained today!
Cheers, Jim (stampguyusa)
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 9, 2018 12:18:23 GMT
I want to thank the people who have helped me find the Chinese stamps that have puzzled me. I am down to the last five stamps. This pair had very weak overprints, but for photo manipulation, I was able to enhance the image. The year and place would be nice, but a Scott's number would be wonderful!
Thanks again for all your assistance!
Jim (stampguyusa)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 14:12:56 GMT
Use 1942/43
Probable types shown below Postal Savings Revenues no Scott#
30c Fukien overprint on 10c Central Trust
Characters appear weak on this series
These can be difficult. as mentioned the characters vary in spacing and size by province Based on the narrow spacing and height of the characters, probably -
Szechwan overprint on Central Trust
Perf 10½-11½ Also found in a much neater perf 13
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 9, 2018 19:47:31 GMT
Thank you again nl1947,
This actually makes me feel better, because if. it isn't in Scott's, no wonder I couldn't find it.
I have three more stamps that I cannot find, and I will post them later.
Cheers!
Jim (stampguyusa)
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 9, 2018 21:24:55 GMT
This is the last China ID post I will make, until I need some more help. I appreciate the assistance. These three stamps have been giving me a tough time. The year, location would be useful, as Scott's catalog number would also be useful. Thanks again for all the past help!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 0:58:51 GMT
These you should be able to find just not in China proper - all postal
As always, these have some variations so...
1. Taiwan Martyrs Issue Gen Keng Mi Tw64 Overprint Restricted for Use in Taiwan 1948
2. Sinkiang ovpt. Restrictecl for Use in Sinkiang 1941 3. North China Japanese Occupation JP-NC 316 1942
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 10, 2018 1:54:36 GMT
Thanks again nl1947!
You have been a great help. I thought the first was Taiwan, but could not find the 2 1/2 issue in Scott. I will look again. Looks like my sorting and cataloging of almost 200 Chinese stamps is now complete. I shouldn't have waited 18 years to get the job done.
Thanks again!
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Post by stampguyusa on Aug 10, 2018 10:32:43 GMT
Just a quick note: With the above information, I wa able to find, catalog and place all three stamps in less than 20 minutes. Thanks again!
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Post by renden on Dec 29, 2019 17:16:01 GMT
Working on Inventory of China stamps These stamps on the left are Sc 784 and 785 (1948) - On the right are same but imperf. Scott gives #s only to Vert. pairs and not to solo imperf 784-785 - Need a proper catalog to identify/number them - Thanks !! René  |
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Post by tomiseksj on Dec 29, 2019 17:33:35 GMT
Scott has assigned the same catalog number to both the perf. 14 and imperf versions of the stamp, rather than assigning separate numbers for each variety.  |
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Post by renden on Dec 29, 2019 17:46:44 GMT
Scott has assigned the same catalog number to both the perf. 14 and imperf versions of the stamp, rather than assigning separate numbers for each variety. Typical Scott  Now will someone suggest a better catalog ? Thanks ! Steve but my cat shows the same René |
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Post by darkormex on Dec 29, 2019 18:00:35 GMT
renden , below is a quick photo I took from the China Stamp Society Specialized Catalog of China to 1949. I think this will help you. 
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Post by cjoprey on Dec 29, 2019 18:04:35 GMT
Looks like the Michel China 2013 (overseas band 9.1) edition is similar as it lists A (perf) and B (imperf) versions of each stamp:  |
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Post by Doe on Dec 29, 2019 18:12:58 GMT
I can tell you that there were 1,250,000 perforated stamps printed of each color, and only 500,000 unperforated stamps of each color printed.
There is also a gray-green version that was issued the following May, both perforated and unperforated, using the original plate. I don't have numbers for that.
The ROC Post identifies them as:
Commemorative 29 1 Rose red perforated 2 Gray green perforated
3 Rose red 4 Gray green
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Post by tomiseksj on Dec 29, 2019 18:38:33 GMT
renden , My intent was to show that the listing in Scott was consistent with their stated listing policy: Others have provided several "better" catalogs from which to choose.
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Post by renden on Dec 29, 2019 18:42:31 GMT
Thanks Darrin darkormex and Chris cjoprey for this great information - appreciate your help ! René |
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Post by renden on Dec 29, 2019 19:36:54 GMT
renden , My intent was to show that the listing in Scott was consistent with their stated listing policy: Others have provided several "better" catalogs from which to choose. Understand your intent, Steve and thanks for responding to my impression of "Scott", which is not the only Bible of stamps (as it is apparent) René |
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 7, 2020 19:41:08 GMT
I can find the basic $44 stamp in 1946 Northern provinces but not with this overprint . Can anyone help? as a stamp the catalogue value SG 35 is £100: but is this postal or revenue ?  ![]() |
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Now will someone suggest a better catalog ? Thanks ! Steve but my cat shows the same
