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Post by dgdecker on Feb 14, 2018 19:20:46 GMT
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Feb 15, 2018 2:01:53 GMT
Very nice. I always love to see issues that have a part of the next stamp.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 16, 2018 17:10:46 GMT
The OCD kicks in and now there is more 2-3 's Looking for determination of #2 or #3 's.  reverses are backwards.  |
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Post by dgdecker on Mar 18, 2018 5:19:51 GMT
My newest acquisition arrived yesterday. It got it for 2$ US from a seller in Holland. I have no idea why anyone would have done such a trim job on it. It has a huge hidge remmenant on back. It is very thin paper as well. It looks and feels real to me. Has anyone seen a cut up version like this? I bought it as a « conversation » piece for my collection as price was right.  |
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 20, 2018 16:28:43 GMT
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Post by dgdecker on Mar 20, 2018 18:20:11 GMT
First frog,
oh so envious. I am trying to refrain from further NS purchases so I can save for issues 1-5. Or more proofs.
david
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 21, 2018 14:45:01 GMT
Mounting those recent arrivals today I naturally went through the motions of checking them as of now this one is of interest.I hope picture shows what is a vertical stich watermark on #8 printed on yellow paper.  |
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 21, 2018 14:46:20 GMT
Well water marks are definitely hard to photograph.
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Mar 22, 2018 1:48:54 GMT
Frog - what beautiful collection of the cents issues. I have multiples of the low value cents but my primary focus has always been the pence issues.
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Post by judith on Mar 22, 2018 4:42:05 GMT
I would never guess that as a photo of a stamp -- it looks like a beautiful picture of ice crystals on glass.
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Post by judith on Mar 22, 2018 4:43:56 GMT
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 22, 2018 15:19:35 GMT
I'm looking for an explanation of the difference between reprints and actual forgeries? Is it only the issuing party?Also how do you tell the difference between reprints and the issues printed on white paper? Color?
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Post by seigaku on Mar 22, 2018 15:50:35 GMT
As I understand it, reprints come off the true original printing plates, which may have been sold, stolen, etc., but the person doing the reprinting is usually not the original issuing party (or is not acting in an official capacity) so they may not be able to obtain the proper paper, gum etc. That is why paper thickness is often an indicator of reprints. Reprints are not always intended to deceive initial buyers, but they certainly do deceive later collectors. Forgeries are produced from different plates that have been carefully prepared to look like the originals, and almost always in order to deceive the buyers. I could give you lots of examples from Latin America, but that would be off-thread here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 15:58:54 GMT
Short, quick explanation
Reprints technically should be using the original plates and they are made by the postal authorities for collectors, as interim issues while new issues are in process or for special events.
They may have some value if issued when still valid but generally not after they expire or are printed as CTO's.
Sometimes postal authorities will make "official reproductions" from new plates. The US 1875 reproductions are an example as is the famous/infamous Dag Hammarskjöld invert.
You also have unofficial reprints usually from plates that have been kept by printers or obtained by a stamp dealer (this was a fairly common occurrence in the 1800's) - there are lots of these and sometimes a fine line between reprint/forgery exists especially if the plates get modified in some way. My personal opinion is that they are FORGERIES.
Europe has some of these from plates that were abandoned when invading troops came in. Belgium has a special case where the workers in a printing company made prints to sell for unpaid wages.
With any reprint paper, minor plate changes, perfs, gum or lack of may be indicators of reprints
Forgeries are simply to fool collectors, provide fillers or defraud the government
With Nova Scotia, the 1860 reprints are very different in color, the paper should be very white, thin and hard, the impressions are much clearer. The 1890 ones are very rare and with slight differences in color except the 1/ which is very different.
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Post by jimjung on Mar 24, 2018 18:56:20 GMT
I have a soft spot for Nova Scotia.  |
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jun 15, 2018 2:46:12 GMT
I saw this listed with a question mark and now maybe someone here can solve the question.What is this?printed on almost postcard material and lacking any clear color.  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 15, 2018 3:41:59 GMT
I saw this listed with a question mark and now maybe someone here can solve the question. What is this? printed on almost postcard material and lacking any clear color. Frog, you come across some really interesting material. Do you own this one now? When you wrote "almost postcard material", I immediately thought of postal stationery, but 12-1/2 cents seems much too high for a postcard rate back in the day. Looking at the frame line all around and the more-or-less colorless image, I wonder if it could have been cut out from an album page or a card for mounting the stamps. Of course, it could just simply be a rather poor-looking forgery. Perhaps @falshung or jimjung or dgdecker or jamesw or Poodle_Mum or someone else may have more familiarity with an item like this one.... |
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jun 15, 2018 10:41:31 GMT
Yes Chris knowing me you know I had to add this one to my big mess.It could very well be a proof that has survived mis handling or just a old cut-out from something.At any rate years from now someone will be asking the same question as posted."what is it? " No matter it will reside in the Funky Frog collection.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 14:12:30 GMT
I saw this listed with a question mark and now maybe someone here can solve the question.What is this?printed on almost postcard material and lacking any clear color. It is not a forgery, it falls into another category as a similitude. It was probably on a postcard, perhaps a album example or some sort of ad on a product and not intended to "fool" collectors or the gov't. It may have been copied from a period catalog. It does not fit any known forgers. If someone cut it out to use or sell as a genuine then it becomes a forgery.
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Post by doug630 on Jun 15, 2018 14:40:46 GMT
Here's a little insight on what coins post office customers BOUGHT stamps with:
Nova Scotia Half Cent - 1861 and 1864
Nova Scotia One Cent - 1861, 1862, and 1864
Halfpenny Token (Sterling) numerous 1823 to 1856
Penny Token (Sterling) numerous 1824 to 1856
Canada Confederation - 1c, 5c, 10c, 20c, 1858 on
Canada Confederation - 25c, 50c, 1870 on
New Brunswick, Newfoundland, and Prince Edward Island had a similar mish-mash of coinage; English coins in shilling and pence probably circulated too, and bookkeeping must have been a nightmare.
Like the U.S., there were zillions of different private banknotes, an estimated 30% to 40% counterfeit.
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Post by jimjung on Jun 17, 2018 20:55:24 GMT
Although Canada was one of the earliest countries to introduce Postal Stationary in 1860 with the 5c and 10c Nesbitt envelopes, I can find no record of Nova Scotia Postal Stationary of any kind; Postcards or envelopes, in the 1860-67 period when this stamp was used. I would tend to agree with nl1947.
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Post by dgdecker on Jun 19, 2018 0:53:51 GMT
It is not a forgery, it falls into another category as a similitude. It was probably on a postcard, perhaps a album example or some sort of ad on a product and not intended to "fool" collectors or the gov't. It may have been copied from a period catalog. It does not fit any known forgers. If someone cut it out to use or sell as a genuine then it becomes a forgery.
Learned a new term with this post. Love the « similitude » explanation. I have never come across anything like this in all my years. I have a fondness or weakness for pre- Confederation issues. I am awyays on the look out for unusual items . I am not any expert by any means but I seem to notice quickly when something is different. My senses start to tingle a bit and i start researching to fins answers and explanation. I do not get overly exited about colour variations as they can vary so much according to cameras and other things. It is the slight differences in printing or design or paper that attracts my attention. I have had many fun adventures with fellow collectors discussing our discoveries. david |
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Post by dgdecker on Jul 20, 2018 21:16:10 GMT
Would any one be able to explain what the term « jumbo « might refer to in a description of Nova Scotia #8? I have seen this on several listing on eBay. There are currently three listed today on EBay. I see no reference or mention of « jumbo » in any of the catalogs or other online resources. I did contact the sellers asking for clarification of the Term. I have included an image of a « jumbo » listed by a Canadian seller. any help would be appreciated. thanks, David  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 11:40:24 GMT
Would any one be able to explain what the term « jumbo « might refer to in a description of Nova Scotia #8? I have included an image of a « jumbo » listed by a Canadian seller. This is the latest marketing catchphrase initiated by PSE a few years ago. Their opinion of a great stamp is one with wide margins which initially was for imperf but has now spread into perfed stamps Centering and wide margins are the only criteria, By getting a "certificate" from PSE or better yet encapsulating it like a sports card, one can turn a $5 stamp into a $500 one and many "astute investment collectors" are actually getting in on the action. Some feel this is the new future of what they consider a dying hobby.
 A perfect 100 Jumbo or maybe a Dumbo These cut outs are appearing in great numbers
"Only 3 OG rank higher" because that's all the ones PSE has "graded" so far.
The sad part is that some US prestige auction houses are even getting in on this.
PT Barnum had a saying for those who buy these gimmicks
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Post by dgdecker on Jul 21, 2018 13:11:05 GMT
Thanks for the info. PSE? Is there a web site site for this group? Now that I know what the term refers to, what is the criteria to determine if a stamp qualifies for a « jumbo » qualifier. I suppose this means a stamp has the potential to be valued at a premium price. I wonder if one should expect a higher price if stamp comes with a « certificate ».
thanks
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Jul 22, 2018 2:41:06 GMT
Personally I think these "jumbo" are ridiculous. Let's just add another category to digital replications! Oy!
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 26, 2018 8:56:53 GMT
All of these have been shown before in this popular thread. But hey ! One more viewing won't go amiss !! I won't even bother with any info. But I will say that these are some of the most popular CW stamps around. Not long after I posted these on a Facebook stamp group, they got 57 likes !! All the other items I posted took much longer to reach half that figure. ( I am not bothered about likes, hates or loves but I mention this just to show the popularity of Nova Scotia stamps). Here they are !  |
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Post by renden on Sept 27, 2018 13:53:43 GMT
LB1, thanks for showing the NS stamps. Most varieties of these are not "cheap" as you know. I have not started a NS (Province) collection though I am close to finishing New Brunswick stamps and have shown what I have. I also have the books of reference for both Provinces, which helps, besides Unitrade Canada cat.
I thought Newfoundland stamps were more popular.
René
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 27, 2019 19:23:12 GMT
Today I finally found time to go through the NS lot from LB1.I thought I had spied something odd about this one before I had put it aside and today after looking at it again I'm still not absolutely sure what it is I'm seeing.If you look closely at the right side of the stamp the shading is blurred and my eyes seem to see a "ghost" figure of the stamp image.   |
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 27, 2019 21:26:15 GMT
It looks to me like she has a bad case of chicken pox or measles!
But it is a beautiful example of a postage stamp!
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