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Post by paul1 on May 19, 2023 9:27:59 GMT
I just wish it was easier to spot these dagger perfs. in amongst a shed load of other Machins. On one of my charity shop walks yesterday, paid £12 for what seemed like half a ton of Machins, but the thought of looking at white perfs. - mostly on white paper/card - is daunting in the extreme. Still, mustn't moan, there were other good things there too. If you hear a loud noise from somewhere in Surrey, you'll know I was successful !! :-)
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drblade
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Post by drblade on May 19, 2023 10:18:18 GMT
I just wish it was easier to spot these dagger perfs. in amongst a shed load of other Machins. On one of my charity shop walks yesterday, paid £12 for what seemed like half a ton of Machins, but the thought of looking at white perfs. - mostly on white paper/card - is daunting in the extreme. Still, mustn't moan, there were other good things there too. If you hear a loud noise from somewhere in Surrey, you'll know I was successful !! :-) I agree, just check the perfs in each corner, they designate the dagger name.
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Post by paul1 on May 19, 2023 11:48:30 GMT
thanks, yes, I see the meaning of that comment now. P.S. here's a picture of what about 2.5 kilos of Machin type defs. looks like - I also have a u.v. torch, which I think can be used to look for phosphor examples - does that sound about right?
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drblade
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Post by drblade on May 20, 2023 9:02:05 GMT
thanks, yes, I see the meaning of that comment now. P.S. here's a picture of what about 2.5 kilos of Machin type defs. looks like - I also have a u.v. torch, which I think can be used to look for phosphor examples - does that sound about right? Quite a few Machins there. With the U.V. lights there are long & short waves available or "duel" ones. Shortwave checks the presence of phosphorescence (phosphor) on stamps after 1960 (also aniline inks, some cancellations & paper thins can be detected). Longwave U.V. lights detect fluorescence (a glow from the stamp as it reflects the light). Can help to identify OCP,FCP, PCP & ACP papers. paul1
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Post by paul1 on May 20, 2023 11:20:38 GMT
thanks, yes, quite a few considering that I don't collect modern GB material. I work along the lines that when I ask the ladies in the charity shops for stamps, it would be detrimental to my cause to decline certain things, so I say yes to all and sundry hoping that every now and then there will be some classic examples in there. My reason for having the u.v. torch had nothing to do with stamps - for some years I collected the greenish/yellowish glass that was so coloured due to the presence of uranium (spent u. of course), and the short wavelength of the ultra violet torch, so I'm told, activates the outer molecules of the u. atoms, making them glow, and some of it glows enough to burn the curtains down. I could be wrong, but think my u.v. torch is c. 395 nm wavelength - regret I've no idea if this is ideal for work on phosphor stamps or not, but judging by the pix it seems to differentiate sufficiently to highlight the different areas of phosphor and non-phosphor. All rather pointless for me really since my collecting stops prior to decimalization, but it's fascinating to wander through some of these things - possibly those orange dots are an example of fluorescence where the light is simply being reflected, as you kindly pointed out, rather than anything to do with phosphor.
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drblade
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Post by drblade on May 25, 2023 10:16:09 GMT
Received the scanned cover today from eBay, the stamps will go into my used collection once I get the page printed for 2006.
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Cinderellas and some Ephemera from Great Britain, France and Israel plus a few beautiful bits from elsewhere !! Topical interests include Flags & Judaica, the latter with an emphasis on the Jewish National Fund.
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Post by Londonbus1 on May 25, 2023 11:23:25 GMT
drblade.......do you mean you will soak the stamps from the cover for your used collection ? I thought this was a no-no for used collectors, at least it was in the days I collected used stamps. I remember looking at a friend's GB collection some years back and pointing out to him that he had a stamp from a First Day Cover and immediately took it out of the album. Maybe times have changed and they are more acceptable these days. Just curious is all. Londonbus1
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Post by paul1 on May 25, 2023 13:05:14 GMT
monochrome, as they say. Probably me sounding ignorant, again - If a stamp goes through the delivery system and becomes a genuine used stamp, then even if soaked from an FDC, it's still a used stamp, and I'd have imagined it would be legit to put into a used collection, though if someone has gone to the trouble of acquiring an FDC cover then normally they wouldn't want soak the stamps off, since they'd want the cover. Obviously, we wouldn't soak a stamp from a cover that had some intrinsic or monetary value 'as a cover', but most current low value issues on FDCs have almost zero stamp value anyway. What is it that I'm not understanding, please:-):-)
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Post by wakeybluenose on May 25, 2023 13:05:40 GMT
I'm with you on this one Michael Londonbus1 - postaly used only in my collection, the only exception is for se-tenant strips/sets which are difficult to find outside of FDC's, even then I'd also mount used singles alongside them.
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drblade
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Post by drblade on May 25, 2023 17:43:23 GMT
drblade .......do you mean you will soak the stamps from the cover for your used collection ? I thought this was a no-no for used collectors, at least it was in the days I collected used stamps. I remember looking at a friend's GB collection some years back and pointing out to him that he had a stamp from a First Day Cover and immediately took it out of the album. Maybe times have changed and they are more acceptable these days. Just curious is all. Londonbus1 Londonbus1 I know what you mean about taking stamps from covers, I too heard it was a no no years ago. If the covers are in bad condition or damaged I would rather salvage the stamps as fine used if they are. I've always collected unmounted mint GB until recently & would not accept anything less than pristine, where possible, so I suppose that is the other end of the same scale. Sorry forgot to mention, there seem to be lots of eBay sellers, selling sets & singles of used stamps all with first day part cancellations on them, I expect some of them are collectors as well as dealers. Hi again Londonbus1 just thought I would add the scanned image here. You may well have seen similar already. This one & many others being sold on eBay "on piece".
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Post by paul1 on May 25, 2023 20:59:26 GMT
In the U.K. there are truly hordes of low value FDC covers in circulation (decimal mostly), from the last fifty years - I'm always being offered them, but FDC not my interest so don't buy. It sounds likely that dealers and collectors are soaking off a few of the top values from the covers and selling the stamps as singles/multiples and getting more money that way. Not all stamps are worth more 'mint unused' - some used examples, for whatever reason - are more valuable.
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on May 30, 2023 21:03:23 GMT
i must say the postage used on this was a bit of a surprise!
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Post by daniel on Jun 3, 2023 0:29:22 GMT
'Aid For Ukraine From Sweden To Ukraine' slogan in English
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Jun 3, 2023 9:15:41 GMT
Just received the following this morning. Notice the envelope with the booklet stamps is cancelled on the reverse with a machine cancellation & the other has no cancellation both with uncancelled stamps. (Isn't technology wonderful). The booklet stamps are 1st class None Value Indicators M20L MTIL, the T denoting they are from booklets of 12 as shown. The backing paper appears to be 1 upright which at the moment I cannot find a profile to match. The 2 penny reds are described on their white labels.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jun 3, 2023 16:30:41 GMT
Not today's mail (it arrived yesterday) but I just got around to posting it. An interesting combination of postal cards and stamps, none of which have been cancelled.
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Post by swvl on Jun 4, 2023 15:36:44 GMT
Interesting cover tomiseksj! So those postal stationery items are just glued onto the cover on top of one another? I don’t think I would have guessed that was a postally valid way to use them!
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Post by tomiseksj on Jun 4, 2023 22:46:56 GMT
swvl , a liberal interpretation of the below, taken from section 604 of the Domestic Mail Manual, suggests it is valid.
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Post by daniel on Jun 4, 2023 23:25:55 GMT
Just received the following this morning. Notice the envelope with the booklet stamps is cancelled on the reverse with a machine cancellation & the other has no cancellation both with uncancelled stamps. (Isn't technology wonderful). The booklet stamps are 1st class None Value Indicators M20L MTIL, the T denoting they are from booklets of 12 as shown. The backing paper appears to be 1 upright which at the moment I cannot find a profile to match. The 2 penny reds are described on their white labels. We used to have Automatic Letter Facing machines but from my experience this problem is not unique to the UK. Bring back ALF. Nice Penny Reds too or should we call them Wyons 😁
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Jun 5, 2023 6:46:28 GMT
Just received the following this morning. Notice the envelope with the booklet stamps is cancelled on the reverse with a machine cancellation & the other has no cancellation both with uncancelled stamps. (Isn't technology wonderful). The booklet stamps are 1st class None Value Indicators M20L MTIL, the T denoting they are from booklets of 12 as shown. The backing paper appears to be 1 upright which at the moment I cannot find a profile to match. The 2 penny reds are described on their white labels. We used to have Automatic Letter Facing machines but from my experience this problem is not unique to the UK. Bring back ALF. Nice Penny Reds too or should we call them Wyons 😁 Yes, I worked with the ALF'S (or is it alfies) they were o.k. at the time.
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Post by nbstamper on Jun 5, 2023 18:53:42 GMT
In today's mail
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Jun 7, 2023 15:06:52 GMT
Received the scanned stamp today (Queen Victoria Penny Red "stars" unmounted mint SG38, via Windsor Mail Center. The cancellation is blanked out as the address is @ top left of the envelope due to the other labels & stickers on it, but at least it got here safely. I'm no expert with stamps of this era/type so I'm always dubious of their condition if I buy any.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 7, 2023 15:27:37 GMT
Pretty and well centred…….. hinged or unmounted mint….there can always be gum issues, crackling as it dries out with age .
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Jun 7, 2023 15:57:56 GMT
Pretty and well centred…….. hinged or unmounted mint….there can always be gum issues, crackling as it dries out with age . Thanks for the advice vikingeck I usually look for the best centering, the gum looks o.k. on the 38 checked back & front under magnification, I've got a couple of penny reds with crackled gum which I'm not impressed with, suppose that's where I came unstuck!!
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Post by anglobob on Jun 10, 2023 16:55:44 GMT
This letter was received recently from an Ebay seller based near London and with uncancelled stamps from Gibraltar.The letter has the standard Royal Mail airmail sticker and the bar code cancel at the bottom of the letter.I am curious to know if the stamps were attached knowing that there was a good possibility they would not be cancelled.Of course,there could be a simple explanation that the seller was in Gibraltar and posted it there. I emailed him to find out more but have had no reply. The stamps are quite attractive though.........
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 11, 2023 7:59:19 GMT
Total franking on the “Gibraltar “ letter is £1.70 anglobob. The correct postage from UK to USA should be £2.20 . So it might be the seller has an arrangement to post from Gib as it is cheaper? Being uncancelled doesn’t help clarify either way .
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Post by daniel on Jun 16, 2023 1:05:06 GMT
Various items of mail received recently. From Italy, France, 2 from New Zealand and the Netherlands.
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Post by daniel on Jun 21, 2023 0:29:22 GMT
With the 'use by' date rapidly approaching for the old style Machins, what do you do with the low values? This is what! And who's going to cancel 160 stamps? No-one that's who!
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Jun 21, 2023 10:20:57 GMT
Here are a couple of pieces found in the postbox this week,
A smattering of French issues including a couple of souvenir sheets and cancelled with an interesting postmark, 50 MONTMARTIN-SUR-MER, MANCHE (01 June 2023). This one is definitely destined for a soak :-)
Cancelled SEAFIELD Post Office (10 June 2023) along with a slogan cancel and better than no cancel or simple ink squiggle.
The question of the day is, how is that the Queen's profile on the stamp with the image of a Welsh Springer Spaniel faces right? Even the non-philatelic member of the family noted the difference and when asked as to why the Queen's profile faces right on this issue instead of the standard left, I could not provide a suitable answer. Anyone care to speculate?
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by daniel on Jun 21, 2023 11:14:56 GMT
The question of the day is, how is that the Queen's profile on the stamp with the image of a Welsh Springer Spaniel faces right? Even the non-philatelic member of the family noted the difference and when asked as to why the Queen's profile faces right on this issue instead of the standard left, I could not provide a suitable answer. Anyone care to speculate? Vince, with non-definitive stamps the monarch's head can face either way according to the requirements of the designer. Daniel
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 21, 2023 11:21:35 GMT
The convention seems to be that most of the time the Monarch faces inwards on the letter. As if checking the address!
The position however o n commems is down to what the designer feels most suits the image. In this case she is just admiring the wee dog ! 😀😀😀
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