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Post by paul1 on Aug 11, 2023 11:35:09 GMT
wading through a heap of French material yesterday, I was staggered to see so many defs. carrying the same perfin letters - u/c C.N. - what seemed like literally scores with this same perfin. Bit of a long shot probably, but wondered if anyone here knows to which company or government dept. this belongs? P.S. I'm absent from about 2.00 p.m. today until late tomorrow afternoon - so if I don't respond promptly it's not a lack of respect, just the demands of grandchildren:-)
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Aug 11, 2023 11:54:12 GMT
paul1 CN Credit National or Comptoir National d,Escompte de Paris
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Post by paul1 on Aug 11, 2023 12:35:53 GMT
many thanks for that anglobob - I guess it had to be a substantial organization for me to have so many. I don't object to a few pefins, but you can have too much of a good thing;-)
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 11, 2023 14:39:17 GMT
According to Ancoper it is C.N. 304 13 perfs on the "C" and 19 on the "N". It should be 9 mm tall. Comptoer National D'Escompte had 36 variations of this perf- some without periods, or only one, serifs, and some that werer CNE .This particular one is very common and in use from 1908 - 1954
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Post by djcmh on Nov 13, 2023 17:33:30 GMT
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 13, 2023 21:25:37 GMT
According to Ancoper it is C.N. 304 13 perfs on the "C" and 19 on the "N". It should be 9 mm tall. Comptoer National D'Escompte had 36 variations of this perf- some without periods, or only one, serifs, and some that werer CNE .This particular one is very common and in use from 1908 - 1954 My record shows CN (hole format not recorded) #14 National Discount Counter 1907-1954 #18 National Discount Counter 1882-1954 Caen, Narbonne, Calvados, Aude Another reference (same as Stainlessb ) and with added Epernay (Marne) 1907-1954 No301
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Post by rod222 on Nov 13, 2023 21:36:40 GMT
Another item I set aside is this 5f stamp from the 1951 re-issue in new colors. The color is described as dull violet in the Scott Catalogue. In this case I have an unidentified perfin, a small c. Any other Marianne perfins lurking about in your collections? darkormexThis I believe is a part PERFIN (CL) with very wide spacing, the L has missed the stamp Hole format 7/4 Credit Lyonnais Constantinople 1882-1952 No188
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 13, 2023 22:36:30 GMT
There are 3 (three) Credit Lyonas that are a single "C", All with 7 holes. The height of the perfin will idendify which
C1 larger holes 2.75- 3 mm
C2 smaller holes 4 - 4.5mm
C3 larger holes and 4.5 mm
this looks like th elarger hole design, and trying 'scale' off og f the perforations, I'm leaning towards C3 Seine, Paris , and the separated perfins were only in use until 1952, and it looks like this was used in 1953 (though it certainly could have been remaining 'stock: There are three CL with separated letters, and one with off-set letters, but the shape of the 'c' doesn't look like as good a match as the C3
too bad there isn't more of the postmark
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Post by rod222 on Nov 13, 2023 23:15:57 GMT
stainlessbThank you This is the only reference I had Source: Sembradora Francessa Estudio Perforationes sobre el sello de la sembradora
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 14, 2023 0:34:53 GMT
you are most welcome! Perfins ·sadly) are considered flawed/damaged stamps. On th epositive side of that, they are generally not expensive to pick up. If you compare the C in your example to the C in the image darkormex posted, while both have 7 holes, No.188 is more oval 2nd box (from left) C# is the Ancoper #; H: 4.5 is the height( mm); amd last is the number of perfs (if there were multiple characters there would be a count for each. Far right is the Y&T #'s that this perf has been found on; the A18 - A27 has no explanation/definition I can find ( anybody know?) ; then the years span of use, and then lastly 'how common (or rare ) is just a stamp' - in this case quite common (range is 1-9), the alpha indicator (in this case A ) of how common /rare on a cover , Range is A - F and again this is a very common perfin
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Post by rod222 on Nov 14, 2023 2:27:45 GMT
stainlessb quote Far right is the Y&T #'s that this perf has been found on; the A18 - A27 has no explanation/definition I can find (anybody know? ) ; Thanks for explaining the legend. A18-A27 Possibly EXCLUDES a Scott Catalogue reference. Scott France "Types" A18 - A27 covers Scott #121 1900 to Scott # 201 1924
The preamble, at front of your catalogue , may explain?
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Post by hrdoktorx on Nov 14, 2023 20:40:17 GMT
When Yvert & Tellier refer to stamps A16 to A27, they mean air mail issues. In Scott numbering, these would be #C18 to C26 and CB1 to CB3.
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 14, 2023 21:43:52 GMT
I have gone through the entire section which describes the tables, and I find no explanation for the A16 etc
and as there is no other mention of Scott numbering system (that I can see, nor have I seen mention in other French catalogues), it must pertain to something else. i have sent an inquiry to Ancoper. I will report their reply.
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Post by swvl on Nov 14, 2023 23:16:51 GMT
rod222, that's a really nice mini-collection there of Marianne through the years! I'm no expert on French stamps, so it's cool to see how many distinct variations on that one visual theme this series has gone through. I'm inspired to start assembling a similar lineup for myself...
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 15, 2023 20:27:32 GMT
I got a reply from the puublisher and te inclusion of A# does indeed refer to airmail issues
mystery solved!
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Post by salmantino on Feb 24, 2024 14:28:20 GMT
2013, Marianne et la Jeunesse The ‘Marianne et la Jeunesse’ stamps were issued from 15 July 2013. The stamps show a youthful Marianne and two children (youth, or jeunesse) in the lower right corner playing a ball game. There also exists a green-tariff stamp for carriage by more environmentally friendly modes of transport. This stamp has a tree at the lower right. The inscription 'Clappa & Kawena' appears at the bottom left of the stamps. The stamps caused controversy based on false claims by Olivia Clappa who, together with David Kawena, was credited with the design of the stamps. She claimed Inna Chevtchenko, a Femen activist, had been her inspiration for the portrait of Marianne. Moralists lost no time calling for a boycott. David Kawena, however, has denied these claims. Through his lawyer, David Kawena claimed he was the sole graphic designer of the stamp. He also made it known he had not modelled his Marianne on Inna Chevtchenko, whose existence had escaped him. Olivia Clappa, since has acknowledged David Kawena designed the stamps but claims she was co-creator of the stamps. I bought these blocks on 15 September 2015, when I was in Bordeaux to visit a friend. I dropped into the post office around the corner from my hotel in the Mériadeck neighbourhood to buy some stamps for postcards and letters I wanted to send to friends. I liked the stamps and asked for the corner blocks. The clerk at the post office was very helpful and gave me a corner block (coin daté) of every denomination he could find.
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