New Zealand: Chalons - 1855-1873

Hi all
I do have some other double perfs and other oddities I thought I would share.
First is misplaced perfs on SG107 "NZ" watermarked paper ( perf 12.5 )



The next is double vertical perf 12.5 ( one set are blind perfs ) on SG108 "NZ" watermarked paper. Right hand side.
This is not recorded mint in CP and has an Odenweller Certificate


The next is spectacular perf 12.5 error on a SG113

The next is a double row of vertical perfs 12.5 on a SG113

The next is a double row of horizontal perf 12.5 on SG110

The last I have shown before is a very misplaced row of perf 12.5 on SG122

Grant

Very nice Grant. I love the angled perf 2d blue.
And for some reason I love those misplaced perf examples too - ie the last 6d brown :-)


Here is a copy of the perf. 12½ Davies that I have. I love these kinds of things ...





Dave

Hi Dave
Whow hard to pick.
I'm tending Row 1, No 14
Interesting at some stage the plate was damaged on this position, the Hausburg Proofs show a flaw across the Queens forehead.




I've included Row 1, No 15 below for the viewers to make a call.





Here is a SG138 before the damage occurred.



Grant

Thanks for the challenge Dave!! A tough one, I'm favouring R16 No1 pre-retouch but I've only got Bob Odenweller's illustrations to go by which doesn't show rows 1 to 13. The area I've marked on your stamp doesn't seem to match R14 or R15. The clear image in Bob's book of R16 No1 retouched matches yours on the left with the retouching mainly confined to the right which leads me to thinking pre-retouch, so the first period of provisional imperfs, 1866-67. I'm not putting money on it!!





Interestingly I found an error on Bob's book while looking for images. Page 245 shows a Hausburg reprint block labelled as R15-16 No's 1-5 with no re-touching which can't be correct.

Dave have you recently become a member of the RPSNZ?

Philip

Hi Dave and Philip
I have a couple of Row 16, No 1
I have this very rare Plate 11 proof in deep blue on "no watermark" paper





Here is a SG115a



Here is the Hausburg proof

Grant

Thanks for those Mark.

They are very clear aren't they? I have a copy of them in my copy of the Jolliffe book. These were printed in 1905' ish so well after the 1867' ish copy of the 2d blue I show above.



Rows 1-14 are shown on page 236 of his book Philip. Just not able to see detail from it though!





Dave

Here are my initial entries (ie that I have found to date) :

Latest dated worn plate I - Mar 7 66 (1866)
Earliest dated plate II - May 18 66 (1866)
Earliest dated plate II from damaged part of the plate - OC 30 66 (1866) AMENDMENT - This is not a retouched item Just a normal Plate II




NB: These should be easy to beat but at least sets a target for you.
I also haven't looked into the last stamp shown plate position yet (it was in a group still to be sorted but it had a nice date!!).
Perhaps Philip you could tell me its position on the plate. BTW it also looks to have a re-entry. Can you tell if it has & what it is? :-)



Dave

Mark, I sent you a PM.

Dave, your challenge, here's a late use of the 2d plate 1, June 3 1867:




Dave, re your third stamp, according to Bob Odenweller, no re-entries have been recorded for plate 2 and I'm not seeing any plate damage. There is an uneven wash of blue from poor cleaning off of the excess ink before printing but no damage that I can see.


Philip 

Hi Dave, Philip, Mark and others

Great thread Dave.

I don't have any dated copies but hope you don't mind I add these to answer questions and get the topic going.

First is the worn plate 1 proof sent to Perkins Bacon



Next are some proof copies from Plate 11 in Deep Blue on "no watermark" paper. I am not sure if these were in fact printed in London or in New Zealand. I do know there were some printed in black ( I do not have any of those ).
First are from Row 19, No's 8,9



Next are from Row 20, No's 10,11



Next is a block of 6 showing no wear and possibly prior to any re-touching ( but I can't plate this block to know for sure ), but it sure does show the brilliant colour and clarity of print



The next are some copies showing the progression of wear, Row 17 No 4 showing a Greenish Blue pre-retouch copy, followed by Blue showing true extent of wear after retouch and a Hausburg Proof



Next is Row 20 No 5, showing pre-retouch, slightly more wear prior to retouching, after retouching and the Hausburg Proof



Next is Row 20, No 7 showing Deep Blue proof on "no watermark" paper, pre retouch and Hausburg Proof



Next is Row 20, No 8 showing pre-retouch, after retouch and Hausburg Proof



I only have one cover which may be usefull. I am sure it is Row 18, No 7 showing pre retouch
Dated May 7, 1867 from Greymouth to Hokitika



Grant

Philip,

Your example above of a late dated 2d blue Plate I - dated June 3 1867 - is showing less wear than my example dated MR 7 66 !!

It would seem evident from that that your example has been tucked away for a bit of time before being used. Interesting



Dave

Hi Philip

Good question re plating, I think I brought them off Len Jury years ago.

The pair Row 19, No's 8,9. At the base between the two stamps are small spots, in particular the larger spot just under the bottom right hand corner of No 8

The pair Row 20, No's 10,11. There is a spot on the Queen's chin on No 10

The single has the guideline so is easy to plate

I agree with Dave, maybe some stamps are put aside for later use, so we need a large sample to accurately predict usage.

I will try and edit my comments re the Row 20, No 5 selection

Grant

Dave,

You are probably recalling "Long, J. 2021. Who was L L R Hausburg? The New Zealand Stamp Collector 101(1) 21-25." who I think talks about Hausburg's trip to NZ to see the plates and his attempt to find the person who did the retouches. I think the original report is in "Hausburg, L.L.R. 1905. A trip round the world. Stanley Gibbons Monthly Journal 15 (179) May. 235-237." more information is in "Hausburg, L.L.R. 1906. The retouches of New Zealand. A paper read before the Philatelic Society, London, on 8 December, 1905. The London Philatelist, 15: 78-83."

Regards,

Mark