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Post by DK on Jul 24, 2020 22:51:10 GMT
The 3d p13's were from the 1862 printing of 120,000. There were no further printings of this value until June of 1865. Most imperf. sheets that were perforated were perforated 13 in Dunedin. Only a very few sheets were left to perforate when the Government perforating machine came into use in June 1864. P12½ examples are highly sought after. The 3d value was produced to meet a demand for the ¼ ounce supplement via Marseilles, but that only lasted about 9 months. For such a small printing (120,000) there seems to be quite a range of shades! Dave
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Post by DK on Jul 24, 2020 23:22:33 GMT
Between August of 1862 and some point in time in 1863, Davies had to resort to using a very thin paper called 'Pelure'. This was due to high demand for postage stamps due to the discovery of gold in Otago around this time. The 'Star' watermarked paper had been exhausted and further supplies had not yet arrived. It is estimated that only 360,000 stamps, of all values, were printed by Davies. That is 3 reams of paper. The paper was sourced locally. 1862 - 63 No wmk. Pelure Paper a) Imperf SG 81 - 86 Note: The 3d is exceedingly rare on 'pelure' paper. Only a couple of copies are known. Dave
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Post by gc on Jul 25, 2020 0:48:32 GMT
The 3d p13's were from the 1862 printing of 120,000. There were no further printings of this value until June of 1865. Most imperf. sheets that were perforated were perforated 13 in Dunedin. Only a very few sheets were left to perforate when the Government perforating machine came into use in June 1864. P12½ examples are highly sought after. The 3d value was produced to meet a demand for the ¼ ounce supplement via Marseilles, but that only lasted about 9 months. For such a small printing (120,000) there seems to be quite a range of shades! Hi Dave Great to see the two shades side by side at the top.
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Post by DK on Jul 25, 2020 2:18:15 GMT
Yes.
Lindsay Chitty, from his Chalon Exhibit, mentions that there were 2 shades - brown-lilac & deep brown-lilac, with a tendency to fade.
He also states in his exhibition pages that "using Histogram technology, there appears to have been two dyes used for producing the brown-lilac shades". He shows graphs with the results of testing on shades.
Dave
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Post by DK on Jul 25, 2020 21:50:03 GMT
The next group in the SG Catalogue are the 'Pelure' paper experimental separations : 1862 - 63 No wmk. Pelure Paper b) Roulette 7 SG 87 - 89
c) Perf. 13 at Dunedin SG 90 - 94d) Serrated perf. 16 at Nelson SG 95e) Serrated perf. 13 at Dunedin SG 95a
SG88 6d 'Pelure' roulette 7SG92 2d pale ultramarine, SG93 6d black-brown & SG94 1/-deep green 'pelure' p13SG95 6d black-brown 'pelure' Serrated perf.16 at NelsonDave Note: re. the images above - the p13 three are my own (scanned by me) the other two, the roulette 7 & the serrated p16, are images I have found on the web. (hopefully accounts for the shade differences in the 6d's).
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Post by nbstamper on Jul 27, 2020 14:59:25 GMT
First of all, DK, thanks for this wonderful thread. Although I live in eastern Canada, have been collecting NZ stamps for years. Your comments and illustrations are a big help. I have the Campbell-Paterson catalogue but haven't really worked hard on the Chalons for a while. While I don't have the range of material you have, I do have a few Chalons picked up over the years and will post some of them. Here are my examples of the Richardson printing.
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Post by DK on Jul 27, 2020 20:13:22 GMT
Great feedback nbstamper. Thanks
I am still learning about these Chalons myself and by doing this thread for us I am picking up new information along the way too.
gc (Grant) and jimbabwe (Jim) are a great source of knowledge as well and hopefully, in time, we can attract more enthusiasts to join in.
Your 4 items above are great. Thankyou for posting them.
They seem to me to be SG4, 2x SG5 & SG6. Richardson prints on the 'blue' paper. The 2d blues come in a range of quite distinct shades.
Could I ask a favour of you, please scan the items from their backs. I would like the viewers to be able to see the 'blue' paper used for them clearly.
Cheers Dave.
NB Having the CP catalogue is a wonderful addition to your philatelic library. It contains great specialised info.
PS I do not own all of the items I have posted to date. For some of the rarer items, I have collected the pictures from various sources and use them for illustrative purposes when needed.
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Post by nbstamper on Jul 28, 2020 12:19:45 GMT
As suggested by DK, here is the obverse side of the two 2 pence Richardson Chalons showing the blued paper. It is equally obvious in a face-on comparison of the Richardson 1 pence (SG4) vs. the 1857 SG8.
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Post by DK on Jul 29, 2020 19:20:46 GMT
Nicely done nbstamper.
The 'blue' paper shows well.
We can all see the difference the paper color makes in the SG4 (1d blue paper) V the SG8 (1d white paper).
Thanks for doing that
Dave
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Post by DK on Aug 2, 2020 5:38:20 GMT
The next Chalons in the SG catalogue are a couple printed on another 'Provisional' paper. A thick,soft white paper, different to the paper Richardson had used in previous years. No wmk. One imperf. and the other p13. Both 2d blue. The beginnings of plate wear can be seen in these, noticeable around the Queen's head, and most notably on the right side of her head. 1863 (early) No wmk. Thick, soft white paper a) Imperf. SG 96
b) Perf. 13 SG 96aDave
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Post by DK on Aug 4, 2020 20:17:32 GMT
These are my only copies of the above : SG96a Provisional white paper, no wmk. p13 And to illustrate the white, no wmk paper used, here is the back : Dave
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Post by renden on Aug 4, 2020 22:11:41 GMT
Even if I do not have them in my collection.....very interesting thread - Thanks !!
René
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Post by JeffS on Aug 7, 2020 12:25:00 GMT
I have enjoyed the NZ posts immensely - the premium margins, fresh colors and the mostly face-free cancels. Very nice.
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Post by DK on Aug 8, 2020 21:33:34 GMT
Thanks for the feedback Rene & Jeff. Much appreciated.
Dave
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Post by DK on Aug 8, 2020 22:27:25 GMT
The NZ wmk paper issues : During 1862-63, with ongoing problems with supply of the 'Large Star' paper, due to demand and lead times, alternative papers were needed to fill a temporary void. The Agents General approached de la Rue around about January of 1863 and requested a distinctive watermarked paper identifiable with New Zealand. On the 29th April, 1863 they sent "50 reams of paper and a pair of moulds 'with letters ' NZ' repeated 240 times' ". The NZ watermarked paper is assumed arrived in New Zealand in July of 1863. Exact dates for when printing started on the NZ watermarked paper is unknown and there is conjecture over these dates. It has been suggested that printing may have started as early as September/October of 1863. Davies, the printer, had made observations that the paper was "of indifferent quality" and may have used it only when he really needed to. The earliest dated copies are reported to have been sighted, dated October 1863, but these sightings cannot be substantiated at present. More modern sightings state the earliest dated copy of an NZ wmk stamp being that of a 6d, dated 12 March 1864. Odenweller, in his book " The Postage Stamps of New Zealand: 1855 - 1873 The Chalon Head issues", states that : Although the dates currently given for these printings is 1864, the dates above are compelling and the printing dates should be given as 1863-64. 1864wmk NZ The 'NZ' watermark is frequently found inverted. Printed by John Davies at the GPO Auckland (a) Imperf. SG 97 - 100
and here is the wmk. The 2nd item having been slightly enhanced to show the watermark more clearly: Note: The NZ wmk is frequently found with the watermark inverted / reversed / and inverted & reversed. Dave
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Post by DK on Aug 14, 2020 23:03:25 GMT
Carrying on with the ' NZ' watermarked paper variations we have: (b) Roulette 7 at Auckland SG 101 - 104SG101, SG102
SG103, SG104(c) P13 at Dunedin SG 104a - 106aSG105, SG106(d) "y" roulette 18 at Nelson SG 106b
(e) p12.5 at Auckland SG 106c - 109
SG107, SG108
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Post by nbstamper on Aug 16, 2020 15:11:58 GMT
DK Great roulettes; I've posted the few from my collection; but the roulettes are not so obvious; hard to find these in VF-F condition.
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Post by nbstamper on Aug 16, 2020 16:44:25 GMT
One group of Chalons which I don't believe Dave (DK) has mentioned is the Pelure paper varieties issued 1862-1863. The paper is so thin, it is almost transparent. I have several specimens, both imperf and perf, in my collection; but am only showing a 2d. stamp as the stamps are so fragile, that I don't like handling them any more than I have to. The shade of the 2d. stamp is distinctly different than the earlier issues on heavier paper.
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Post by DK on Aug 16, 2020 20:03:03 GMT
Thanks for adding your examples nbstamper. Its great to see what others have.
The 'NZ' wmk roulettes, just above, are not mine unfortunately. They are some I have images of in my image library.
The 1/-, I believe, may have been one of gc's (Grants) that I had acquired for my reference collection of images.
NB I did cover the 'pelure' paper issues at the top of this page if you would like to scroll back up :-)
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Post by DK on Aug 22, 2020 22:12:29 GMT
We are now getting into the final stretch of SG cat numbers for the NZ Chalons - aiming to get to SG142. In 1864 the Government had purchased and installed a perforating machine of their own. According to The Postage Stamps of New Zealand, Vol 6, M.C.Stanley demonstrated in an article in The London Philatelist in 1967 that two different comb heads were in use from 1864 to 1866 to deal with the two different groups of plates. However, it seems that they were not applied in a consistent fashion and so it is not surprising that many of the issued stamps are badly centered. Pins also became bent or broken and so missing holes are not uncommon. It had, initially, a comb perforating head which measured between 12½ and 12¾ - officially listed as 12½ in the catalogues. Later on the 'comb' head was converted to be a 'line' head. The perforating machine came into use in early June of 1864 and was used throughout the rest of the Chalon period. Note: a Rotary p10 machine was also used alongside the p12½ from 1871 on, so combinations of these 2 perforation types exist, particularly with the 'New Color' Chalons from 1871. Here we have the next grouping - the p12½ 'large star' wmk. by Davies . 1864-67
wmk large star. Printed by John Davies at the GPO Auckland P12.5 at Auckland SG110-SG125
SG110-SG112 SG113-SG115 SG116-SG118 SG119-SG121 SG122-SG122a SG123-SG125
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Post by DK on Sept 11, 2020 21:42:08 GMT
In 1871 three of the values had their colors changed - The 1d, 2d and 6d. As it was discovered that the colors of some of the stamps could be changed to resemble those of higher values, it was decided in 1871 to print the 1d. 2d. and 6d. values in brown, vermilion and blue. The use of a new 'Rotary' perf 10 machine was also brought into service. Combinations of perforation types resulted. Some stamps being quite rare! 1871 (1 Oct. - 73) New Colours wmk. Large Star (a) p10 Rotary Perforator SG 126
SG 126 - various states of wear evident Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 11, 2020 22:06:09 GMT
1871 (1 Oct. - 73) New Colours wmk. Large Star (b) p12½ x 10 SG 127 SG127 - Rare Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 11, 2020 22:17:25 GMT
1871New Colors wmk Large Star (c) P10 x 12.5 SG 128 - 131
SG128, SG130 & SG131 - SG129 is exceptionally rare! Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 11, 2020 22:22:58 GMT
SG129 2d blue p10x12½ - ex Rhodes Collection in the Canterbury Museum Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 11, 2020 22:29:45 GMT
SG128a Irregular compound perfs 10 & 12½ Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 11, 2020 22:34:47 GMT
SG131c Compound perf. one side p10 only Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 11, 2020 22:44:21 GMT
1871
wmk Large Star (d) Perf 12.5 at Auckland SG132 - 136 SG132, 133 & 134
SG135 - 136Dave
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Post by murfz1 on Sept 12, 2020 13:43:12 GMT
Ohhh - I woke up this morning and suddenly realised that I had forgotten an important specialisation with the Chalons: Re-entriesHow could I have forgotten those! Dave Yeah Dave how could you....The thing I love about collecting Chalons is there is so many variations and you are always learning. You need to be looking carefully at every stamp and seeing this thread made me think I had better look a little harder at some stamps. I have just started with the 1d and have already found 2 re-entries I had missed. I believe these are both R.5 - No.10
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Post by murfz1 on Sept 12, 2020 14:16:29 GMT
One group of Chalons which I don't believe Dave (DK) has mentioned is the Pelure paper varieties issued 1862-1863. The paper is so thin, it is almost transparent. I have several specimens, both imperf and perf, in my collection; but am only showing a 2d. stamp as the stamps are so fragile, that I don't like handling them any more than I have to. The shade of the 2d. stamp is distinctly different than the earlier issues on heavier paper. Thought I might just add a few "Pelures" to the thread, I love the 2d Ultramarine as you can see I have used one as my avatar..... Images included in order are SG.82 - SG.91 SG.85 with two shade examples and a SG.93 SG.86 in two shades
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 20:21:50 GMT
Nice to have you join us here at TSF Andrew.
It's great to have you contribute and add to the fun :-)
There is a Chalon Re-entry thread here as well, started by Grant (gc), so perhaps pop those 2 re-entries you show above in there as well. Perhaps that will get Grant posting here again then! :-)
I love the 'pelure' paper issues as well. Such a thin paper. I wonder what the wastage % was compared to the normal 'star' paper?
In my experience the commonest of the 'pelure' paper issues is the 6d brown - used for mail back to the mother country (UK).
Then, surprisingly, I would opt for the 1/- green. Closely followed by the 2d ultramarine.
The 1d vermillion is quite scarce (I don't want to say 'rare' as that word is overused)!
And of course the 3d brown-lilac is virtually non-existant - barring 2 known unused examples!!
Dave
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