New Zealand: Chalons - 1855-1873

Here is a date stamped one I just found in the collection.  And another although very hard to read.

Neil

Beautiful copies Neil
Wanganui certainly did get its fair share of the 2d Pelure too - SG82/83 -.


Interesting to see the footers of the numbers '12' arched up like that in the example on piece.







Perhaps the beginnings of the wear to the PB '12' obliterator that ultimately led to its demise.



Dave

On page 168 of vol.7 of the RPSNZ handbook it illustrates the Invercargill duplex of a CDS and obliterator. The example used is dated MY 12 65

On page 170 of the above volume, It lists Invercargills FFA Datestamp as earliest date of 12th November 1863 as a duplex D 3.2-21- and - the 16th November 1863 as just the CDS - FFA3.2


So Neil's 18th Jan 64 isn't too far off the earliest recorded example.



Dave

Is that 1st row of 1d's SG1 Neil??

Impressive if so :-)



Dave

Yes they are SG1.  Three of them anyway  - they have certificates - but I'm pretty sure the other one is too.  It doesn't fit anywhere near the SG33-35 shown.

Thanks Dave! I’m in an accumulation phase so that when I retire I can spend time (not money 😂) enjoying my stamps. I haven’t had time to study each one yet so your insight is great! I’ll make a note to remind me.

Cheers,

Neil

I think the second stamp could be a 35. I think a slight over inking has given it that extra depth of colour?

I don't want to get too carried away with it tbh. This is one of the reasons I collect though - good fun this.

I bought it as an SG35. I thought it was an amazing stamp. But when I popped into the collection with the others I thought - ok slightly different shade. Then I got my first SG1 and thought - Mmmm that 35 is closer to the SG1 than the other 35s. Then I got the 'used' SG1 last week (the one without any clear discernible postmark and it seemed closer again to the '35'.

In truth I don't know - I'll have to send them off but mu gut tells me 35 (probably just so I won't be disappointed! ).  In any case a beautiful stamp.

What do you all think?  Time for you all to become certifiers! Don't worry - you won't hurt my feelings.  I'm going 35.




On the second question you can make out the shape of an obliterator to left of face, but what a beautiful four margin copy.

Hi Neil,
Maybe I can add my 2 cents worth or in this case one penny worth.
Absolutely gorgeous stamps regardless, more than a little bit of jealousy, lets hope it doesn't taint my opinion.

Your gut may be right in retaining that stamp's SG35 status. Of those above the clearest colour for an SG1 would seem to be the stamp in upper right.
Both lower right and centre examples have somewhat more 'warmth' in their colour but ultimately it is more about the crispness or clarity of the print when compared to an SG35.
Your lovely Mint example clearly looks different from the other 35's on the left however it appears that the darkening of its colour is due to subtle changes that have occurred subsequent to being issued.
This is seen in the patchyness of blackening over heavier ink areas notably in turned background to queens bust and solid colour areas around lettering.

This could be natural or result of some deliberate manipulation to try and create the look of an SG1. However, the glow of warmth and vermillion still seems to show from beneath, whereas the other SG1's are much cooler.
Would certainly be good to study in detail, and would probably need to do so to determine its status.
Obviously can't say for certain, but if it were mine (I wish) these are the things I would be questioning and looking at.

Interested to hear other opinions, ultimately leave it to the experts.

Cheers
Clayton

Here are the backs if that helps.

While on the SG35 I have this pair, and I noticed one side seemed rough but consistent on the separation.  Any thoughts?

Thanks, Neil

I really like the RPSNZ cert. The submitter was Lindsey Chitty and the cert is clear. Perfect!

The CP cert from the Surrey, England office is also ok. I note that it is noted as repaired! That would account for the heavyish cancels, unusual un-NZ like ones at that, covering the area of repair. But still an SG1.

I am not so certain about the American Philatelic Expertizing cert. tho'. Best to get certs for New Zealand items from either the RPSNZ or the 'Royal' in London or perhaps Odenweller. I would be cautious re this one.

The one that is probably SG35, oxidized, I would think as well IS SG35. But very very nice all the same 


Dave

Hi Neil
That stamp is a real ripper ( one in a million they say ). It would enhance any collection in the world.
I would have to study it hard, but maybe "too good to be true" with huge margins like that.
If it was me, I would get it certified.
It is an absolute stunner though

That stamp I bought from the George Branam collection lot #21. He had some beautiful pieces in his collection. SG35.

Ah, that's where I have seen it before.
Its legit then, because he had an award winning collection with some stunning items. I was lucky to get a few ( wanted heaps, but budget constraints )
Well done Neil, it is a beauty