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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 4, 2021 21:43:54 GMT
Moderator Note: This new thread has been created out of posts by Graham ( radiocruncher ) in the Whatcha Been Stamping? thread. His initial post and all follow-on posts and responses from other members have all been relocated here to keep the discussion together.
Seems like I’ve been driving around the neighbouring counties the past couple of days collecting stamp related items. Yesterday I went to collect a couple old albums that I won in an auction. Bought blind as usual for me (I never learn) but an interesting lot. I’ve only flicked through the pages but one stamp jumped out at me so will need further investigation
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 4, 2021 23:01:51 GMT
Seems like I’ve been driving around the neighbouring counties the past couple of days collecting stamp related items. Yesterday I went to collect a couple old albums that I won in an auction. Bought blind as usual for me (I never learn) but an interesting lot. I’ve only flicked through the pages but one stamp jumped out at me so will need further investigation Glad I am not the only one to do blind bids. I rarely win any of them but when I do like you there is always something interesting. My bids are always low ball (10.00-25.00) unless there are an abundance of photos that suggests there is quality items or a bunch of useable mint.
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Post by daniel on Aug 4, 2021 23:12:54 GMT
Seems like I’ve been driving around the neighbouring counties the past couple of days collecting stamp related items. Yesterday I went to collect a couple old albums that I won in an auction. Bought blind as usual for me (I never learn) but an interesting lot. I’ve only flicked through the pages but one stamp jumped out at me so will need further investigation Hi radiocruncher , very nice albums. See the the Royal Philatelic Society London link in my Crests of William S Lincoln thread here
The Government of India stamp is a Special Adhesive (used on various documents) revenue stamp from the 1868 series 1 Rupee Red. Barefoot British Commonwealth Catalogue, India Special Adhesive 1868 cat. no. 21. Daniel
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 5, 2021 8:09:09 GMT
Hi Graham , radiocruncher . The old Lincoln albums are interesting historical artifacts with primitive illustrations and a catalogue of what Lincoln offered in those days . Postal stationery cutouts ( hence vandalised cards) and telegraphs revenues & fiscals along with postage ……all gradually dropped from the catalogue as postage stamp numbers increased. Check out the 1890 price for an unused penny black and 💭 dream . PS you are fortunate to have neighbouring counties with auctions! Up in the NE corner of Scotland we are starved of such opportunities.
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radiocruncher
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 8:16:45 GMT
Glad I am not the only one to do blind bids. I rarely win any of them but when I do like you there is always something interesting. My bids are always low ball (10.00-25.00) unless there are an abundance of photos that suggests there is quality items or a bunch of useable mint. I got this lot for a maiden bid of just £10 which was surprising considering it’s age. I also got a cigar box thrown in as well as some covers and postcards. More to come!
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 8:21:57 GMT
Seems like I’ve been driving around the neighbouring counties the past couple of days collecting stamp related items. Yesterday I went to collect a couple old albums that I won in an auction. Hi radiocruncher , very nice albums. See the the Royal Philatelic Society London link in my Crests of William S Lincoln thread here
The Government of India stamp is a Special Adhesive (used on various documents) revenue stamp from the 1868 series 1 Rupee Red. Barefoot British Commonwealth Catalogue, India Special Adhesive 1868 cat. no. 21. Daniel Thanks daniel for all the info. Those crests are very well drawn. I will post more pictures later of the album and contents. The question is whether to remove the stamps from the album of keep it as it was originally. The revenue stamp is in lovely condition. I thought the embossing was part of the stamp but I think it’s a sort of postmark with some numbers on so I will do a close up of that and add it. I didn’t realise the Barefoot catalogues existed either. Every day I learn something new. Regards Graham
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 8:54:47 GMT
Hi Graham , radiocruncher . The old Lincoln albums are interesting historical artifacts with primitive illustrations and a catalogue of what Lincoln offered in those days . Postal stationery cutouts ( hence vandalised cards) and telegraphs revenues & fiscals along with postage ……all gradually dropped from the catalogue as postage stamp numbers increased. Check out the 1890 price for an unused penny black and 💭 dream . PS you are fortunate to have neighbouring counties with auctions! Up in the NE corner of Scotland we are starved of such opportunities. There are a lot of stamps in there from the 1800’s. No penny blacks though so I’ve sent off for 10 at their catalogue price 😉. There were a few pieces of interesting items which were loose in the album as well.
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 5, 2021 10:05:23 GMT
At pre decimal prices that equates to about. 1p for a penny black and 2 1/2 p for a twopence blue of 1840.
Judging by dates of adjacent issues, all around 1883, that puts the album firmly between 1885-1890 issue. The Penny Black was still valid for postage at that time though it had long been replaced by the penny red and then the penny lilac in general use.
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 13:15:25 GMT
At pre decimal prices that equates to about. 1p for a penny black and 2 1/2 p for a twopence blue of 1840. Judging by dates of adjacent issues, all around 1883, that puts the album firmly between 1885-1890 issue. The Penny Black was still valid for postage at that time though it had long been replaced by the penny red and then the penny lilac in general use. Thanks vikingeck looking at the dedication page it is signed in April 1890. It’s a great bit of history. There are no modern stamps in it so looks like someone started the collection then gave up on it.
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 16:35:20 GMT
I’m wondering where the best place to share some of these pages from the album is. Some strange early GB items I’ve not seen before.
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 17:26:23 GMT
I’ll post it here as it is what I’ve been stamping today. There are some unusual non postage stamps on there which I’ve not seen. I will post a page at a time so I welcome any comments and can enlarge any of interest Graham
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 5, 2021 17:55:24 GMT
Ok, several of these would benefit from a clean in tepid water with a drop of liquid detergent NOT the 2d green and red nor the 1 1/2d green and purple as they have .fugitive water soluble inks .
however water will remove ugly backing paper and allow you to unfold the bent corners.
The round stationery cut outs is how they were collected in 1890 unfortunately.
The larger green railway newspaper parcels stamp is interesting and collectable though you will not find them in the standard SG catalogue.
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 18:37:11 GMT
Ok, several of these would benefit from a clean in tepid water with a drop of liquid detergent NOT the 2d green and red nor the 1 1/2d green and purple as they have .fugitive water soluble inks . however water will remove ugly backing paper and allow you to unfold the bent corners. The round stationery cut outs is how they were collected in 1890 unfortunately. The larger green railway newspaper parcels stamp is interesting and collectable though you will not find them in the standard SG catalogue. Thanks vikingeck Yes I would like to remove the paper and clean them. By detergent do you meaning washing up liquid? What’s the best method for removing the paper from the water soluble ones then? it’s a shame that the stationary has been cut out but as you say back then that was probably how it was done. The railway newspaper stamp is interesting and there are more in the other pages. I’m sure they would be collectable. I will have to see if I can find any info on them.
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Post by JeffS on Aug 5, 2021 19:00:23 GMT
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 5, 2021 19:02:21 GMT
For the ones with fugitive ink , I’d lay face down on kitchen towel and gently dampen the back with a wet camel hair brush , or Q tip . . Damp not soak. and with a penknife gently tease off the damp backing…PATIENCE…… do not rush it but don’t leave them in water.
For the others , yes a drop or two of Fairy Liquid or similar , then more tepid water.
The little bantam halfpenny looks like it has brown stains on the teeth. A few minutes in hydrogen peroxide ( from your local pharmacy) then fresh water to clean , will work wonders.
Two of the penny reds with perforations, will have plate numbers engraved sideways on each side of the portrait. I can’t read the numbers from the scan , but the two pence blue (sadly damaged) I think reads plate 15
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 19:16:55 GMT
Here’s a couple closeups of the 2 unusual ones. I’m not sure what the embossed one is. It just looks like a bit of paper that’s been stamped. The green newspaper parcel stamp is interesting
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 19:22:35 GMT
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 5, 2021 19:27:48 GMT
Your pale blue embossed , has been hand impressed on a legal document of some kind. A Deed, an Indenture, a court document. It indicates payment of a 6d fee to register or authenticate the document. The little numbers in circles are the date dies for 27 4 (18)65 . Revenue not postage.
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Post by daniel on Aug 5, 2021 21:57:45 GMT
Here’s a couple closeups of the 2 unusual ones. I’m not sure what the embossed one is. It just looks like a bit of paper that’s been stamped. The green newspaper parcel stamp is interesting Yes, a General Duty Revenue Stamp. The black frame is unusual. Examples of revenue stamps from this era are known with a black outline as a guide for cutting out the stamps. However, it doesn't quite fit in this case. A nice example.
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 23:08:19 GMT
Here’s a couple closeups of the 2 unusual ones. I’m not sure what the embossed one is. Yes, a General Duty Revenue Stamp. The black frame is unusual. Examples of revenue stamps from this era are known with a black outline as a guide for cutting out the stamps. However, it doesn't quite fit in this case. A nice example. thanks daniel it looks like a stamp guide on an envelope that maybe has been used in this case. Nice to have one so old though
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 5, 2021 23:17:13 GMT
For the ones with fugitive ink , I’d lay face down on kitchen towel and gently dampen the back with a wet camel hair brush , or Q tip . . Damp not soak. and with a penknife gently tease off the damp backing…PATIENCE…… do not rush it but don’t leave them in water. For the others , yes a drop or two of Fairy Liquid or similar , then more tepid water. The little bantam halfpenny looks like it has brown stains on the teeth. A few minutes in hydrogen peroxide ( from your local pharmacy) then fresh water to clean , will work wonders. Two of the penny reds with perforations, will have plate numbers engraved sideways on each side of the portrait. I can’t read the numbers from the scan , but the two pence blue (sadly damaged) I think reads plate 15 Thanks again vikingeck . The little bantam has a nasty crease across it an looks washed out. I do have some hydrogen peroxide here that I use for whitening old plastics. Do you mean to add this neat to the stamp? I’ve pulled the penny reds and removed the hinges and remnants. The 2 on that page are plates 93 and 129. The 2d blue was indeed plate 15 which would have been great except for the damage. I don’t have one in my album either. I also have, on the next page, another 1d red plate 121 which I think is mint but it’s blackened a little in places but had the full gum. I’ve just painstakingly taken the hinge off it with a bit of dampening with a paintbrush on the hinge surface. That one will need cleaning but will be tricky
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Post by JeffS on Aug 6, 2021 0:43:31 GMT
The black lines around the embossed revenue stamp are simply indication where to apply the embossing on the document.
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Post by WERT on Aug 6, 2021 1:11:12 GMT
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Post by daniel on Aug 6, 2021 3:22:13 GMT
The black lines around the embossed revenue stamp are simply indication where to apply the embossing on the document. That would make sense but I've never seen it before and I have a few dozen British revenues. Nor can I find any other examples online, maybe it's unofficial?
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 6, 2021 7:16:32 GMT
Thanks for enhancing the image @wert
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 6, 2021 7:31:00 GMT
The black lines around the embossed revenue stamp are simply indication where to apply the embossing on the document. That would make sense but I've never seen it before and I have a few dozen British revenues. Nor can I find any other examples online, maybe it's unofficial? The shield looks British. I also notice a small fleur de lys in the top corner. This document www.rpsl.org.uk/rpsl/Displays/Handouts/DISP_20151015_001.pdf on page 16 refers to blue paper used for embossing then fixed to a document. A cypher label
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 6, 2021 20:48:55 GMT
Okay here’s the next page. Sone interesting items here
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Post by daniel on Aug 7, 2021 0:19:14 GMT
Okay here’s the next page. Sone interesting items here Graham, another interesting lot. The long Inland Revenue stamp in the middle is listed in United Kingdom Revenues by J Barefoot Ltd. It is a Medicine Duty stamp and would have been affixed to a jar or packet, 1½p duty from 1887, cat. value £20. The 'Take Up The Sword Of Justice' poster stamp, bottom right, is based on a full size World War I poster printed by David Allen who also produced various stamps and probably noted as such on the reverse. Relatively rare. From your previous scan, the Indian Government 1 Rupee stamp has a blind embossed cancellation and the numbers are the date, 8 3 72 (8th March 1872). Daniel
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Post by daniel on Aug 7, 2021 1:01:18 GMT
The black lines around the embossed revenue stamp are simply indication where to apply the embossing on the document. That would make sense but I've never seen it before and I have a few dozen British revenues. Nor can I find any other examples online, maybe it's unofficial? Jeff (and Graham radiocruncher), I've had a rethink on this one. I thought it was a semi-adhesive but now think that you are correct, it must have been embossed directly onto a blue coloured document with the frame as a guide for the embossing. Apologies, Daniel
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 7, 2021 9:01:31 GMT
Okay here’s the next page. Sone interesting items here Graham, another interesting lot. The long Inland Revenue stamp in the middle is listed in United Kingdom Revenues by J Barefoot Ltd. It is a Medicine Duty stamp and would have been affixed to a jar or packet, 1½p duty from 1887, cat. value £20. The 'Take Up The Sword Of Justice' poster stamp, bottom right, is based on a full size World War I poster printed by David Allen who also produced various stamps and probably noted as such on the reverse. Relatively rare. From your previous scan, the Indian Government 1 Rupee stamp has a blind embossed cancellation and the numbers are the date, 8 3 72 (8th March 1872). Daniel Thanks for the information danielThe long revenue stamp is impressive so the collector had a good eye for interesting items. I really must get some of this literature and have a look through. The label is pretty old as well and nice to have a value for it. Not something I collect really though. I thought the sword of justice would be of interest. I assume that’s what is referred to as a Cinderella. I will look that up and see if I can have a peek at the rear of the stamp. That 1 Rupee stamp is impressive. I did see the date which is a nice addition. Initially I thought it was part of the actual stamp but learnt that it was a sort of postmark. Graham
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