radiocruncher
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 9, 2021 20:36:28 GMT
Unfortunately I wouldn't know a prussian blue if it jumped up and kissed me! There are a couple for sale on ebay at the moment at around £15,000 though. Good luck! Kevin in London Highly likely that I don’t have one but you never know |
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Post by daniel on Aug 10, 2021 0:02:47 GMT
Now there is a pen cancel that is great! Full date, paid & initials! The stamps these days are bigger. Why can't they pen cancel like that instead of a scribble? Oh wait a sec, they have too many packages to scribble on! Well Pete, it has a manuscript pen cancel simply because it IS NOT POSTAGE. It never went near a post office. So no one had a cds to cancel it.It is a tax stamp which is hand signed on a receipted invoice. Fiscal usage always dated and signed….. receipts from a company when you paid an account always had a revenue stamp to be cancelled in ink by hand even as late as the 1960s in UK. TheVictorian large tax stamps were later replaced by George V, Vi and Elizabeth Wliding regular 2d “postage and revenue”, but still usually cancelled by hand except for larger companies or utilities who might employ a purple inked hand stamp if they were handling a lot of receipted invoices. This is, of course, correct but interestingly, both of these fiscal stamps were permitted to be used as postage stamps by the Customs and Inland Revenue Act of 1881 following the delay in issuing Unified stamps inscribed "POSTAGE AND REVENUE". Such examples in used condition must have genuine postal cancellations from 1st June 1881. They are known as Postal Fiscal Stamps and are listed in Stanley Gibbons Great Britain Specialised Stamp Catalogue Volume I: Queen Victoria. |
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radiocruncher
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 10, 2021 14:51:33 GMT
Great information daniel I am getting a feel for fiscal type stamps now. I have always dismissed them in the past but something to look out for now. Graham |
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 10, 2021 14:54:31 GMT
Thanks to Chris ( Beryllium Guy) for moving the posts to a new thread. Lots more to see yet so shout out some countries and I will see what’s in there |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Aug 10, 2021 15:39:44 GMT
No problem, Graham ( radiocruncher), glad to do it! If you are looking for suggestions of the next areas to explore, how about colonial Africa issues? Cape of Good Hope, Natal, Orange Free State/ River Colony, Zululand, Transvaal, Lagos, Nigeria, etc. |
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Post by dgdecker on Aug 10, 2021 16:25:28 GMT
Graham, what a great buy.
i have read with great pleasure all the comments and I learned a lot. Never hurts to have a bit of of knowledge on this even though I do not actively collect GB. When I have a chance to go through the bit I have, I know for sure where to go for help.
Thanks for posting and as well a big thanks to those who have shared their knowledge about the stamps.
David
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Post by rex on Aug 10, 2021 16:49:56 GMT
Great buy Graham thanks for showing it, excellent discussion thanks to all the attendees.
Do the albums contain something Italian .. ??
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radiocruncher
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 10, 2021 17:56:54 GMT
Graham, what a great buy. i have read with great pleasure all the comments and I learned a lot. Never hurts to have a bit of of knowledge on this even though I do not actively collect GB. When I have a chance to go through the bit I have, I know for sure where to go for help. Thanks for posting and as well a big thanks to those who have shared their knowledge about the stamps. David Thanks David ( dgdecker) I have learned so much with the little I have posted so far. Whoever collected these bits back in the 1800’s knew what they were doing I’m sure. As someone else pointed out, there is a gap where maybe someone else took up the collection. I have a very interesting postcard coming soon. |
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radiocruncher
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 10, 2021 17:58:28 GMT
If you are looking for suggestions of the next areas to explore, how about colonial Africa issues? Cape of Good Hope, Natal, Orange Free State/ River Colony, Zululand, Transvaal, Lagos, Nigeria, etc. Im sure I can find some of those colonials in there so watch this space Beryllium Guy |
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 10, 2021 18:01:17 GMT
Great buy Graham thanks for showing it, excellent discussion thanks to all the attendees. Do the albums contain something Italian .. ?? 32 Italian stamps between the 2 albums @ rex so they will pop up soon for your perusal |
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 10, 2021 18:39:59 GMT
In the lot were a handful of covers. This one in particular intrigued me as I couldn't work out what had been written. I showed it to my better half who thinks it's shorthand. I thought it was some sort of secret code. Beautifully written though with a lovely un-cancelled one halfpenny stamp. I have enhanced the writing with Photoshop but if you want to see the original scal i will add it   |
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Post by rex on Aug 11, 2021 10:23:17 GMT
The surname Walker in Sheffield is related to silver. Maybe it's just a namesake .. who knows .. ?? I suggest a little research on the surname and address, ..it is always fascinating about these antiquities.
I confirm that the script is in shorthand.
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 11, 2021 11:17:08 GMT
The surname Walker in Sheffield is related to silver. Maybe it's just a namesake .. who knows .. ?? I suggest a little research on the surname and address, ..it is always fascinating about these antiquities. I confirm that the script is in shorthand. The surname Walker in Aberdeen …….C’est Moi ! My late wife had shorthand when she was a PA in 1970. Our niece who took a job as PA secretary in 2000 was unusual in that she also still had shorthand………now with recording and voice technology advances ,shorthand has largely vanished as a required secretarial skill. |
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Post by rex on Aug 11, 2021 12:20:03 GMT
I was referring to Walker & Hall silversmith in Sheffield, a surname that marked silver working in Sheffield. Nothing takes away from the fact that you could be a relative Alex. 
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radiocruncher
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 11, 2021 14:37:29 GMT
I’ve been trawling through a Pitman shorthand dictionary but there are so many words that I’m struggling to decode it. I wonder if anyone does know shorthand or could show it to someone that does.
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Post by rex on Aug 11, 2021 15:05:36 GMT
The problem with shorthand is that there are several alphabets, I'm just as curious as you are about what's written on it.
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radiocruncher
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 11, 2021 19:20:47 GMT
The surname Walker in Sheffield is related to silver. Maybe it's just a namesake .. who knows .. ?? I suggest a little research on the surname and address, ..it is always fascinating about these antiquities. I confirm that the script is in shorthand. Thanks rex there could be a link. Certainly someone was fairly keen to partially protect the contents of the text. I’m pretty sure it’s Pitman as I have managed to find a few word matches. I have also tried searching for the address. It’s still standing but I don’t have access to the census details from around that time without buying a subscription to one of the ancestry sites |
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 11, 2021 19:22:51 GMT
You never know vikingeck you could be related. Maybe your niece could be persuaded to give the text a once over |
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 11, 2021 20:25:03 GMT
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 11, 2021 20:37:35 GMT
Some of the stamps aren’t in great condition but I thought I would include them for comments and info
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Post by renden on Aug 11, 2021 20:46:01 GMT
Some of the stamps aren’t in great condition but I thought I would include them for comments and info Thanks for showing... For me nothing impressive but they are "stamps" did not go into my inventory to check - I seem to have seen most of these - it is a start Thanks again.... René |
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 11, 2021 21:03:53 GMT
Nothing there to set the heather on fire but The Suez Canal stamp deserves a second look. 99% are forgeries, but…….Scan it right way round and we might confirm its status.
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 11, 2021 21:19:20 GMT
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 11, 2021 21:51:14 GMT
Here’s a better image of the Suez stamp vikingeck I would assume as per most of the stamps in the album that this was added in the late 1800’s although there were some later stamps in the album. I wonder when they started forging them?  |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Aug 12, 2021 5:17:08 GMT
It looks like a forgery to me. Check the state of the gum (if any) and if there is a watermark, although the latter is not evident on every stamp. (LA+F....La Crois Freres). The other tell-tale signs can be found at the link below. Collecting the forgeries/reprints is also great fun !! www.rjbw.net/suezcanal.html |
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 12, 2021 7:47:47 GMT
Thanks very much for that link Londonbus1 it certainly looks like it may be a forgery. I will lift it later and check the gum and any sign of a watermark. I would assume it’s a very early forgery although it looks over inked and not very neat. The forgeries of this value that they show is very neat compared to this example |
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Post by WERT on Aug 12, 2021 12:45:20 GMT
Hi radiocruncher If it is a forgery { and could be }, why did the forger, forge 2 stamps. Robert
Could be aniline...Check the back...Examples below.
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Post by radiocruncher on Aug 12, 2021 13:19:25 GMT
Hi radiocruncher If it is a forgery { and could be }, why did the forger, forge 2 stamps. Robert
Could be aniline...Check the back...Examples below.
Thanks for the info Robert. I had just assumed that they had maybe forged a sheet of them and cut them out. I really know nothing about how the forger works though. Just having lunch then I’m going to pull it for a look at the back |
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 12, 2021 13:20:01 GMT
Hi radiocruncher If it is a forgery { and could be }, why did the forger, forge 2 stamps. Robert
why not? He probably produce his forgeries by the sheet…….there was a demand from collectors….so he supplied it! the forgeries are very common and were done in large numbers . No point in making one copy of your forgery when there are a hundred collectors (in 1890) all wanting an example and decent images of genuine and computer imaging was not around to allow them to spot a fake. Sheets were produced, by more than one forger. |
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Post by WERT on Aug 12, 2021 13:26:04 GMT
Hi vikingeck Can you help me to understand why you think it is a forgery..Thanks. Robert
Could check the back of the stamp..If it is aniline ink, i do do not believe the forger would use aniline ink, but just regular ink..Just a thought.
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