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Post by vikingeck on May 14, 2024 11:23:53 GMT
Beryllium Guy , who I know is particularly careful about the quality of what he buys for his collection of these triangles, we have shared several hours and several occasions examining these together, is much kinder to this damaged pair than I would be. Both of us regret the careless damage that has happened in the past to spoil an historic item. I do like the magic repair job Chris has done on the corner . Isn't computer technology wonderful? Pairs of the 4d are not common, but neither are they particularly scarce. There may well be a collector who would be prepared to pay a few $ should you sell. I see other damaged triangles on ebay every day with hopeful prices. Whether they sell or not is beside the point. It is not just about the money, it is the hunt for the best condition the buyer can afford, and every collector should be aware of condition and take pride in it. But please note I never said "THROW IN THE BIN" . I actually said "almost worthless" which is a true reflection on the market value, relative to a decent pair , should you try to sell. In a collection the owner will always feel apologetic for the condition. Of course keep it by all means, the worth and merit lies in the provenance and family connection on which no price can be placed, you paid no money to acquire it so keeping is a bonus.
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Post by JeffS on Jun 5, 2024 20:31:08 GMT
I recently added this De La Rue 1-penny deep carmine (?) as described by the seller to my collection. It is an undated fiscal use with as nearly perfect SON cancel as one could expect of
THE STANDARD BANK OF BRITISH AFRICA LIMITED SOMERSET BRANCH I was intrigued by the gritty appearance of the printing. Seller's image. My images with 2 more carmine-ish shades in my collection Comments/observations are sincerely invited.
EDIT: I noticed now that my bottom example, a similar bank cancel, is from a town other than Somerset. Can someone identify the town for me?
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Post by clivel on Jun 6, 2024 6:23:38 GMT
EDIT: I noticed now that my bottom example, a similar bank cancel, is from a town other than Somerset. Can someone identify the town for me? Using ImageSleuth to enhance the cancellation, it looks to me as if the letters of the town name are "DELBURG", I am almost certain that the only town that fits from around that period would be Middelburg in the Eastern Cape.
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Post by rod222 on Jun 6, 2024 7:50:35 GMT
EDIT: I noticed now that my bottom example, a similar bank cancel, is from a town other than Somerset. Can someone identify the town for me?
A closer, higher DPI would be advantageous
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Post by JeffS on Jun 6, 2024 11:18:20 GMT
clivel Thank you sir. I wouldn’t have figured it out on my own.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 6, 2024 16:04:02 GMT
I was intrigued by the gritty appearance of the printing. Thanks for your nice post, Jeff, and congratulations on your acquisition of another beautiful Cape Triangle! You have an amazing knack for finding gorgeous and unusual copies of these stamps, and you have done much more with postmarks and fiscal cancels than I have. Well done to you, my friend! Since clivel has already stepped up to address the town name from the bank cancel (great work, Clive!), I will confine my comments to the stamp itself, and I will illustrate by recycling one of my previous images (see below). The "gritty" appearance you mention is definitely one of print clarity aspects characteristic of the De La Rue printings for these stamps. In this case, I will use it to suggest that I think your stamp is most likely an SG18 Deep Carmine color shade. I say that, because at least in my experience, I have never seen the Brown-Red or Red-Brown shades (SG18b-18c) in a truly woolly or gritty print clarity. Stevenson also mentions in his book that the brownish shades of the stamp are generally sharp print clarity. Source: Dorn, Christopher. “Cape of Good Hope Triangles: The 4-Pence Blue De La Rue Issues, 1863-1864”. Cape & Natal Philatelic Journal (CNPJ), Vol. 26, No. 3 (103), September 2022. I think your stamp most closely resembles the one on the left in the above image, although if we wanted to be more precise, I think we could say that the printed image is just a touch clearer than the one on the left above, but definitely much woollier than the one in the middle. Just my opinion, of course, and as always, others are invited to offer theirs! Great stamp, Jeff, and thanks for sharing!
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Post by michael on Jun 7, 2024 20:17:41 GMT
Lot 170 from the Spink UK 19th June auction, estimate £8,000 to £10,000, is described as follows: The video:
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 7, 2024 21:47:05 GMT
If that’s not the Holy Grail, it comes close ! It feels almost attainable but I don’t have a spare £10k this month sadly.
having seen Hackmey at Stampex a couple of years ago , his was just too much opulence, and kind of reminded me of a Spanish Cathedral.
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Post by JeffS on Jun 13, 2024 20:55:48 GMT
I've received inspiration to start mounting my COGH Triangulars on traditional album pages instead of in a stockbook with cutout annotations. Here are my One-Penny examples:
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Post by JeffS on Jun 13, 2024 21:24:08 GMT
This 4-penny blue paper arrived today, and after a luxurious bath in H202 the results compare favorably to the seller's original pics.
Seller front and mine after bath.
Seller back and mine after bath. I suspected a thin in the middle, and it is not as bad as the after-bath shows. I wanted a vivid blue example for a page to show more intense bluing.
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Post by JeffS on Jun 17, 2024 0:05:15 GMT
I recently added this COGH SG7, pale rose lilac with red triangular CGH cancel to my collection.
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Post by JeffS on Jun 17, 2024 0:32:51 GMT
I have much difficulty comparing blue 4-pence stamps in hand, so I thought I would do a comparison scan for my benefit, and thought why not post as well. All are versions of SG19, De La Rue printings.
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Post by michael on Jun 21, 2024 11:50:51 GMT
Lot 170 from the Spink UK 19th June auction, estimate £8,000 to £10,000, is described as follows: Sold for £12,000 hammer that's £14,880 including buyers premium and VAT (for a UK purchaser).
There are more nice triangles coming up at the David Feldman auction on Saturday 22 June. Unfortunately the the lot I am interested in has already gone beyond my budget and over top estimate at the pre bidding stage .
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 21, 2024 14:35:05 GMT
Thanks for posting, michaelI wonder if Jeff's ( JeffS) "friend" (!), Joseph Hackmey or his representative was bidding on that lot. £15k is pocket change for him! Given the provenance, it seems the sort of thing that he would want for his collection. Would you mind sharing a link on the Feldman auction lot you have been looking at? Just curious!
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Post by michael on Jun 21, 2024 14:48:01 GMT
Thanks for posting, michael I wonder if Jeff's ( JeffS ) "friend" (!), Joseph Hackmey or his representative was bidding on that lot. £15k is pocket change for him! Given the provenance, it seems the sort of thing that he would want for his collection. Would you mind sharing a link on the Feldman auction lot you have been looking at? Just curious!
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Post by JeffS on Jun 21, 2024 16:09:00 GMT
I wonder if Jeff's ( JeffS ) "friend" (!), Joseph Hackmey or his representative was bidding on that lot. £15k is pocket change for him! Given the provenance, it seems the sort of thing that he would want for his collection.
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Post by JeffS on Jun 24, 2024 21:17:30 GMT
I am well aware of the axiom which suggests that blued paper triangles must (or should) be shown from the back to ascertain the blueness. But when one turns up that is so obviously blued paper as seen from the front, (a well as obviously defective) well, my old heart goes pitter-pat.
The stamp WAS described as "Cape of Good Hope, 1d SG 1, Pale Brick Red, Blued Paper, Faults." I must admit that I wasn't expecting the tiny corner piece to float away in its H2O2 bath as it did. It was superbly hinged in place by a previous owner, and I regret my reattachment is not the quality of the previous. In fact, it was only after drying that I noticed the missing corner and went to the original online listing as I didn't recall the missing corner when I made my offer.
On the other hand, the sellers original pic of the back left great potential for a real horror show after soaking. So I guess I came out okay and I found no terrible surprises.
What pleases me about this item is that it is an example of the frameline variety whereby the bluing shows a distinct outline of the stamp image as well as other details such as the CAPE OF GOOD HOPE lettering at the stamp bottom.
And now I have good reason to re-do my album page posted earlier about the 1d stamps.
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 24, 2024 21:41:58 GMT
I am well aware of the axiom which suggests that blued paper triangles must (or should) be shown from the back to ascertain the blueness. But when one turns up that is so obviously blued paper as seen from the front, (a well as obviously defective) well, my old heart goes pitter-pat. JeffS , I always feel that rule applies much more to the 4d where the blue colour of the print sometimes confuses as to blue or not blued. With the 1d there is seldom any doubt.
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Post by JeffS on Jun 24, 2024 23:12:14 GMT
vikingeck . Good point, I hadn’t thought that through.
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Post by xacs on Jun 25, 2024 9:13:08 GMT
I am well aware of the axiom which suggests that blued paper triangles must (or should) be shown from the back to ascertain the blueness. But when one turns up that is so obviously blued paper as seen from the front, (a well as obviously defective) well, my old heart goes pitter-pat.
This image inspired me to share a recent acquisition of my own. Is the idea of a "frameline" variety something official or more of an interesting phenomenon observed in certain examples of blued paper? It ceratinly looks different to the typical "cameo" effect. Note that the red mark on reverse appears to be ink from the stamped name at base.
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 25, 2024 9:45:24 GMT
Nice one Clayton xacs , I believe Stevenson in his description of blueing specifically mentions the “frame line variety” as unusual. Probably never going to make catalogue status but interesting enough to highlight alongside a cameo example in a collection, and display the reverse. Why not display the lady’s backside? Oops 🫢
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Post by JeffS on Jun 25, 2024 10:54:11 GMT
xacs thanks for sharing your lovely example
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Post by JeffS on Jun 25, 2024 21:04:38 GMT
I had a chance to get this tidy-looking COGH 1863 4-pence Perkins Bacon deep blue, white paper on cover recently
Or is it a De La Rue?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2024 22:21:23 GMT
Very nice cover, JeffS, thanks for posting! Just taking a brief look, I think the ID of Perkins Bacon print is correct. It may be a little sulfuretted, which is what gives the possible impression of a De La Rue print. In any case, it is a very nice cover. Congratulations!
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Post by JeffS on Jun 25, 2024 23:14:12 GMT
Silly me, the DLR blues did’t hit the shelves until 1864
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Post by rod222 on Jun 26, 2024 1:15:24 GMT
Had a chance to get this tidy-looking COGH 1863 4-pence Perkins Bacon deep blue, white paper on cover recently Mr. J C. Hess United States Consular agent, at Port Elizabeth. Financial troubles? Surrendered his estate to his creditors link
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Post by JeffS on Jun 26, 2024 18:21:08 GMT
rod222 thank you for the info on the addressee Mr. Hess
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Post by JeffS on Jun 28, 2024 20:40:31 GMT
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Post by JeffS on Jul 1, 2024 23:41:20 GMT
These past 2 days I've been able to attempt a page for the 4d Perkins Bacon printings:
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