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Post by comingfrom on Aug 10, 2013 3:39:03 GMT
How can we have a forum for British Africa, and no Cape triangles to look at? So I'm taking the opportunity to start the thread. Pretty excited about these, because I always looked at these as being for rich people only, and I never felt wealthy enough to start buying them. But about 4 or 5 months ago, I decided to bite the bullet, and started bidding on these to see what I can get. I started by setting bidding limits, $20 for the 4 pence triangles. $30 for 1 pennys, and $40 for the 6d and 1/- issues, and $167 for woodblocks. These are very cheap prices for these, so I allowed for certain small flaws, such as just touched on one side, or a thinned back (on my 4d woodblock). But as long as they looked good. I couldn't tell the differences between the printings and shades at that stage, and it is only when a few pass through my hands that I learn them. I still struggle to identify the difference in the 1d and 4d issues, but the 6d and 1/- issues are easily discerned by their shades. Well, I completely surprised myself, and already have the complete range (basic that is, and not with all the shades). I didn't expect to get the collection so quick, and only had to break my bidding limit once, to $50 dollars to get the 1/- emerald DLR (3 full margins). The full collection so far.  Now some close ups to show the different printings:  Perkins Bacon issue of 1855-58 (originally issued in 1853 on blued paper)  Woodblock printed by Paul Solomon & Co (pale milky blue shade) issued in 1861  De La Rue printing of 1863 Happy stamping! -Paul |
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Post by BC on Aug 10, 2013 4:13:11 GMT
Wow, drooling material! Thanks for showing.
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Post by cjd on Aug 10, 2013 5:07:30 GMT
That's quite a page you have there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 5:20:07 GMT
Very, very impressive. Really like your inclusion about using eBay and the how to get your stamp for the display.
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 19, 2013 11:59:47 GMT
A lovely array.  |
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Post by I.L.S. on Aug 19, 2013 13:57:15 GMT
Wow! I always fancied these. Beautiful collection indeed!
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Post by antoniusra on Aug 19, 2013 19:15:36 GMT
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Post by comingfrom on Aug 26, 2013 23:09:04 GMT
Thank you for that, Antonius.
Nice lot, some with very nice margins and condition.
I envy your pairs.
Multiples of these triangles go off at auction, I noticed.
Now I'm still having some difficulty discerning the printings.
Particularly the 4 pennys.
For example, the last 4d blue in your collection,
I would have identified it to be the Perkins Bacon printing.
And I'm still unsure of some of mine.
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Post by antoniusra on Aug 27, 2013 0:34:55 GMT
I identified it as a Steel Blue, it is defenitely a different shade than any of the rest. I'm really not up to snuff on them these days as I have not added any in a long time and they can be tricky. I had someone who was quite expierenced with the Capes to help me arrive at the ID's. You could be right but I rarely have any thing expertized so it has not been.
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Post by comingfrom on Aug 28, 2013 8:27:36 GMT
Thank you. I am kind of hoping for help on these. I suspect my row of Perkins Bacon 4 pennys might contain some De La Rues. Picked up a couple more on eBay, just last night.  It's the only way I know how, just keep buying more. As more of them pass through my hands, I get more confident in identifying them. Then I keep what I want in my collection, and sell off the rest. Philatelic happiness. `Paul Attachments:
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Post by comingfrom on Sept 22, 2013 0:53:11 GMT
A nice 4d Steel blue on eBay at the moment (out of my budget range) but I captured the image to share it here. This one is certified by the Royal Philatelic Society, so should be right. It seems to confirm the identification of yours, Antoniusra, which I had to study again, after spotting this one. This stamp is still for sale, btw, for £875 plus £8 shipping. Attachments:
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Post by antoniusra on Sept 22, 2013 3:03:49 GMT
Comingfrom..........Thanks for the update and re-affirming my ID on that one.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 15, 2013 13:02:20 GMT
Scott 3a ? (I think Admin has the good oil on these) Definitely Wmk 15, dull red? (Purchased in a lot which would value this pro rata at about $3, hence I am dubious)  |
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Post by Admin on Dec 15, 2013 19:42:36 GMT
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Post by antoniusra on Dec 15, 2013 20:36:15 GMT
Rod, I think you have it identified correctly but am not sure what the $3, means, I would think $3,000 which is ten times more than a 3a catalogs for. The big things to consider valueing the triangles are, as is the case with most imperfs, the amount of margins. Yours is a pretty decent example but the LL is slightly cut-in which dramatically discounts its value, probably around 75%.
As you can see the majority of mine are also cut-in, if they were not I could not have afforded them.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 15, 2013 21:22:50 GMT
Thanks ArRa, Thank you for your assessment, appreciated.
I bought 12 stamps for $36 which were labelled "Worldwide better stamps with faults"
So I ascribed a value of $3 each, they included early British Columbia and my 60c Brit Guiana etc.
They were my $3 space fillers, which I adore anyhows.
I have seen friends buy the Cape Triangles and they are not so price scary as some imagine,
I just know nothing about them, although looking at Scott, they are easily read.
Triangle stamps don't hold the aura for me, that some do with this shape.
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Post by antoniusra on Dec 16, 2013 1:47:22 GMT
Rod, I'd say your stamp is worth closer to $25 than $3.00, if it does not have any thins, tears, creases etc.
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Post by comingfrom on Dec 18, 2013 0:04:30 GMT
Thank you guys. I feel vindicated, for never having updated my catalogue since 1997. (I collect to 1940 only, or to KGV for BC, so the old catalogue still does the job for me.) |
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2014 4:40:10 GMT
Admin: May we have a sub-board under Africa = Africa: Cape of Good Hope, please? In a master stroke of propaganda, John II of Portugal renamed this location as "The Cape of Good Hope" to engender confidence of finding a trade route to India. Diaz had originally named the area "Cape of Storms". For stoltzpup , some light reading. Hope it's helpful:  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 17:25:14 GMT
I discovered this Cape of Good Hope triangle in the plastic tub today.  The back looks fresh and the margins superb.  It has a light hinge remnant mark and appears to be watermark 15 from the negative.  I've outlined what appears to be the watermark with arrows and a "T" for top and a "B" for bottom. ( Moderator added red "x" to denote that the watermark orientation shown is not correct.) The stamp looks like the white paper 1855-58 "Hope" Seated Scott #4 design A1 4P blue. It's been said that many, many forgeries exist of these stamps including those of Spiro, Panelli, Oneglia, Senf, and others to include all varieties, i.e., Perkins, Bacon & Co., Saul Solomon & Co., and De La Rue & Co. Caveat Emptor! Thank you for viewing.
Please refer to later post in this thread for a full explanation and more information about these watermarks. thestampforum.boards.net/post/140245/thread |
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Post by Anping on Jun 1, 2017 19:39:59 GMT
With reference to Adrian Albert Jurgens, in the COGH linked article, I have reprint number 68; similar to the one shown. I was most surprised to see this turn up on eBay about three years ago. The seller knew nothing about them (and strangely didn't bother to do any research). My copy is perhaps slightly unusual, as ownership changed hands by being 'bequeathed'; as per Jurgens instructions: |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 21:18:20 GMT
According to records, the 6d was printed originally by PERKINS BACON (920,000) from Feb 1858 to May 1862 - much later printings than the 1d & 4d It was then printed by DE LA RUE (95,000+) in March 1863. The Perkins Bacon 1862 is described as slate purple on blued paper which these are not
There appears to have been only 1 printing of the 6d De La Rue so we probably just have inking/production variations. Also that colour is the most sensitive to fading.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Dec 21, 2018 22:02:26 GMT
I agree that the Cape of Good Hope triangles are among my favourite stamps too! Here is the one specimen I have been able to get (YT #4):  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 21, 2019 20:16:20 GMT
A few months ago, Jon ( blaamand ) and I were having a discussion about Cape of Good Hope stamps, which prompted me to do an inventory of my holdings, which are in fact, not much. I have only one triangle, for example, but it is a nice one. I apologize that this is from a photograph rather than a scan. I will try to replace the image at some point. Jon also seemed to think that my copy might be a color variety other than the most common dark blue, but I have no way to judge that and no other examples to which to compare it, so I will assume it is the more common type for the time being.  Cape of Good Hope, Sc 13, 4-pence dark blue |
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Post by tobben63 on Apr 10, 2020 15:23:46 GMT
I was lucky to get this lot on a Norwegian facebook stamp sale groop. I didn't pay much I think. But I'm not sure if the triangle are genuine. Just got them from the mailbox.  The triangle alone  I'm sure Jon blaamand and Chris Beryllium Guy can tell me more, and maybe some others. But I liked the postmark on the triangle. |
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Post by blaamand on Apr 10, 2020 17:38:43 GMT
Nice stuff!! That triangle absolutely looks genuine. The authentic postmark is a good indicator. If in doubt I would have checked the watermark as the first thing, I believe forgeries are very rare on watermarked paper for these.
Will help you with a good reference for checking the triangles for authenticity, sending you a PM.
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Post by tobben63 on Apr 10, 2020 18:48:24 GMT
It has a well centred anchor watermark. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 10, 2020 19:08:25 GMT
Well, tobben63 , for what it's worth, I agree with Jon ( blaamand ). Your triangle looks absolutely genuine to me, too (not that I am any expert). On top of that, I would say that if you didn't pay much for the lot, then you did very well for yourself. Any COGH triangle with good, clear margins on all sides is easily worth at least £30 here in the UK. Even the lowest SG Catalogue value for a COGH triangle is over £80. So if you only paid a modest sum for the lot, the value of the triangle alone is probably worth what you paid. I recently acquired a new COGH triangle myself, so I will need to do a scan and post for comparison. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 12, 2020 21:38:26 GMT
I promised tobben63 and Jon ( blaamand ) that I would post an image of my newly acquired COGH triangle, so here it is along with the other two that I already had. The latest one is the first image, identified as SG6 by the dealer, which I have equated to Sc4. It may be Sc4b if the color is deep blue rather than blue, but I am not sure. The more interesting part for me is finally to compare a normal Sc13 dark blue with the first COGH triangle I had, which can be seen in the second image. Jon supplied me with an Sc13 normal dark blue (thank you very much, Jon!), and there is clearly a big difference in color between the two, so I wonder if he is right that my original one may be an Sc13a, slate blue. There is an example of an Sc13b, steel blue in another thread on TSF, and the color of mine would not seem to match that. Opinions welcome!  Cape of Good Hope, Sc4, 4-pence blue on white paper (SG6, dealer identification) - Printed by Perkins, Bacon & Co.  Cape of Good Hope, Sc13 & 13a(?), 4-pence dark blue and 4-pence slate blue (color variety not confirmed) - Printed by De La Rue & Co. |
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Post by angore on Apr 25, 2020 11:18:02 GMT
For some reason, the Cape of Hope stamps seem special. It must be the triangular shape stamps.
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