rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Feb 23, 2024 10:23:17 GMT
Identifying genuine old German cancels presents a significant challenge, particularly with the inflation stamps of the German Reich during the tumultuous period at the end of 1923. Due to the rapid inflation, there was often only a brief window to correctly utilize the respective denominations for postal purposes. Consequently, many stamps from this era remained unused, making genuinely used/cancelled ones exceedingly rare and valuable. One relatively straightforward method to detect at least some counterfeit cancels involves utilizing a transparent protractor: Place the protractor on the stamp, aligning the vertical line of a letter precisely with a line on the protractor. Verify that the vertical lines of all other letters, as well as the geometric center lines of letters without vertical lines (such as A or Z), align with the other lines of the protractor. In genuine cancels, all letters are oriented towards a common center point. Any deviation, such as "crooked" letters, suggests forgery. However, it's important to note that while this method can identify some counterfeit cancels, it may not detect perfectly counterfeited ones. Additionally, it cannot authenticate genuine cancels that have been backdated. To verify such cancels, knowledge of whether the cancel type or the individual specific cancel could have been used during the relevant period is necessary. For stamps with unidentifiable parts of cancels, authentication becomes impossible.
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Feb 23, 2024 22:41:55 GMT
and here's one more This cancel originating from Kassel (formerly Cassel) bearing the notation "* 1 x" (indicating post office 1 and canceling device x) is notorious for inaccurate cancellations on inflation stamps. It is distinguishable by the flat-headed "3" in the year, whereas the authentic cancel used during the inflation era featured a rounded "3" at the top. This characteristic also applies to the Kassel cancel marked "* 1 t". However, the presence of a "3" with a flat head alone does not definitively indicate a false cancellation of stamps during the inflation period in Germany: In other cities/post offices the cancels during that time often had a flat-headed "3". Certain cancels remained unchanged even after the inflation period, allowing for deceptive cancellations with backdated dates.
Other cancellation marks were already discontinued for postal use prior to the onset of the inflation period.
Additionally, some designs of cancels were introduced (sometimes significantly) post-inflation period. The presence of such cancellations on stamps from the inflation era immediately flags them as forgeries if one knows what details to scrutinize. Understanding the "biography" of individual cancels is essential for determining whether a specific cancellation could have legitimately occurred during the inflation period or if it is indeed a false cancellation.
(Some counterfeiters erred in dating, resulting in cancellation dates preceding the issuance of the stamp in question....)
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Post by viking1234 on Feb 24, 2024 9:08:58 GMT
A fun triplet, Pforzheim cancelled …3.1898. Judging the color, the Mi50b version, I think, issued 1893.
I have Michel Plattenfehler Deutches Reich 1872-1945, the 50 PF you show is in 8 differen colour variations and is issued from 1889-1900. if yours is 50b it is issued (1889-1891), I am not god at determin the colourvariations, I always take the value that is lowest catalogprice :-)
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Post by viking1234 on Feb 24, 2024 17:52:36 GMT
Just finished a page of German Dienstmarke provisionals on Bayern stamps
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Post by viking1234 on Mar 3, 2024 10:28:27 GMT
This next set contains of 10 vignetten in different colours and places in the Rheinland Ruhr district I only have thes 6 MNH stamps/Vignetten issuede in the infla-periode. The Vignitten was issuede in 1923 and due to hypperinflation in the 1920's the people of Rheinland and Ruhr could not pay or meet the allied invasionsforces fees or demand for money, repairing machinery which was destroyed during WW I.
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Post by viking1234 on Mar 3, 2024 11:16:10 GMT
This is from an old stampalbum I bought ages ago, it is a 7 Kreutzer Schieferblau aus Würtemberg issued 1866. I do not know the English word for the perforation but in Danish Gennemstukket and in German Durchstochen maybe pierced. I do not know if it is genuine but it looks like an Owner mark at the back. I always remove Hinges from the back of stamp, the reason is if you leave the hinges you will not be able to see needleholes and thins as the hinges can cover these small flaws. If the Würtemberg stamp you have from nr. 1 to 35 have hinges and is with original gum, do not put the stamp in wather to remove the hinges leave it on if you do not know how to remove it, the stamp will be worth only ½ the prize if you remove it in wather and wash of the gum
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Mar 3, 2024 11:47:01 GMT
This is from an old stampalbum I bought ages ago, it is a 7 Kreutzer Schieferblau aus Würtemberg issued 1866. I do not know the English word for the perforation but in Danish Gennemstukket and in German Durchstochen maybe pierced. @ viking1234 Hi, I believe that is "Line Rouletted" (Perhaps a mixture? the top border seem to be "pin perf" ?) PS : If it is NH with gum, then by definition, it will not have hinges. (NH = Never Hinged)
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Post by gstamps on Mar 3, 2024 12:01:08 GMT
viking1234, check if the writing appears on the strips at the bottom: I take my pictures with the phone camera in natural light at a slight angle.
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Post by viking1234 on Mar 3, 2024 12:35:12 GMT
This is from an old stampalbum I bought ages ago, it is a 7 Kreutzer Schieferblau aus Würtemberg issued 1866. I do not know the English word for the perforation but in Danish Gennemstukket and in German Durchstochen maybe pierced. @ viking1234 Hi, I believe that is "Line Rouletted" (Perhaps a mixture? the top border seem to be "pin perf" ?) PS : If it is NH with gum, then by definition, it will not have hinges. (NH = Never Hinged) removed the NH thought it ment with hinge remains or traces in the gum, MNH? could you nmaybe please explain the different types you use in English I am used to danish terms, we only have Mint we call it Post frisk and have original gum with no cracks or traces. thank you for the perforation scheme becomes handy
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Mar 3, 2024 12:44:45 GMT
viking1234 Some stamp terms here linkNH = Never hinged MNH = Mint never hinged Thin = Some part of the back of the stamp paper removed due to hinge adherence stuck down = stamp adhered to the album page from stamp gum, or private mucilage MUH = Mint unhinged F-VF = stamp quality, Fine to very fine HH = heavily hinged H = Hinge HR = Hinge remnant PP = Pulled Perf NG = No Gum NGAI = No Gum as Issued SP = Short perf RG = regummed RP = Reperfed SP = Short perf VFU = a very fine centred stamp, (used) with a light postmark. CTO = Cancelled to order (This can also be a stamp with unmarked gum) Var = Variety Wmk = Watermark Unused = A Normal stamp with no indication of use, but without gum as issued. (An example would be a washed (soaked) mint stamp ) Tab = A label attached to a valid postage stamp SE = Straight Edge Spec = Specimen NVI = No Value Indicated (On the postage stamp) Spacefiller = Usually and expensive or scarce stamp, that has damage or very heavy Pmks, that will fill a vacant space on an album page (My favourites) That's all I can think of right now
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