cjoprey
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Post by cjoprey on Feb 21, 2022 17:20:23 GMT
Nice UPU set Darrin darkormex - anything above the 4 frank is usually a bit less common, so well done on those! I haven't got the higher values myself yet ... that's for another day when the remaining backlogs are sorted and I actually know what I have.  As to the 50 frank - be aware there are 4 main variants of that one, with COB numbers as follows: # 879: lilac-brown (dull paper - looks pinkish under UV) - 1952 # 879A : grey-brown (dull paper - looks pinkish under UV) - 1952 # 879AP3 : grey-brown (phosphorescent paper - looks yellow and streaky under UV) - 1969 # 879AP5 : grey-brown (polyvalent paper - looks bright bluish white under UV) - 1977 I've been learning about all the different Belgian paper types and am slowly getting there... Once I've got my head around all of them I will try to write something up for the forum, time permitting. Hope that helps! |
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Post by bernardo on Apr 14, 2022 5:09:49 GMT
Belgium Coq s/m Poster Stamp. Le Coq (in Dutch De Haan, formerly Den Haan) , also known as Le Coq-sur-Mer is a common Dutch of Belgium located in the Flemish Region in the province of West Flanders . It is a seaside resort on the North Sea . The Cock on Sea. Legend: Survivors of a shipwreck rescued, due to healthy calls from a Rooster.  A Flag for Londonbus1  Not part of my collection: Original Poster (CV $800)     |
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Post by darkormex on Apr 24, 2022 15:12:00 GMT
Recently, at the bourse, I couldn't help myself but pickup a couple more Belgium collections. I noticed a lot of commemorative stamps from the 50s and 60s which will fill holes in my collection. And, of course, precancels! The only difficulty is that in one case, despite the fact that the stamps are mostly used, the previous collector seems to have really slobbered on the stamp hinge and then mashed the stamps down on the page. So many are really stuck and I have already thinned a couple trying to remove them from the pages. At this point, I am just going to trim excess paper and put whole pages into the soak water in order to remove the stamps and avoid thinning. Any mint, hinged stamps are just going to have to have the gum sacrificed. These are, of course, the worst to remove from the paper without thinning.   |
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cjoprey
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Post by cjoprey on Apr 25, 2022 14:22:56 GMT
I hear you on the stuck down stamps Darrin darkormex - many stamps were sacrificed in collections I bought in the past because of this. I now focus on purchasing collections in stock books only for that very reason!  |
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Post by zipper on May 10, 2022 16:55:30 GMT
I probably have all of these, but I never can resist a bargain.  |
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cjoprey
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Post by cjoprey on Aug 6, 2022 12:39:31 GMT
While working on completing my Belgian back-of-book stamps I just received this nice set of the MNH 1946 airmail stamps issues for the CIPEX exhibition in New York. They are surcharged stamps in two modes - with French "Poste Aerienne" first (COB# PA15 - PA23) and with Dutch "Luchtpost" first (COB# PA15A - PA23A):  |
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Post by renden on Dec 9, 2022 20:08:57 GMT
As you might know - Belgique is another Country of interest with transfer on Steiner pages (classics only - by my definition !!) This series I was not happy with what Steiner offered 1915-20, including the Scott 121 (finally found on Ebay at a good price)....so decided to return to my own pages (2) for this series which is Albert I and some others, including the FRANKEN I was looking for and Steiner does not care re: varieties.....I have a few Should have the pages ready in a few days....as long as the missing FRANKEN arrives  Stay tuned !! René |
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bjornbelgium
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 20, 2022 14:36:20 GMT
I purchased these on what seemed a very reasonable buy-me-now price.... I haven't actually looked them up to know what they are, but I am guessing, one is printed in France and one in Walloon? cjoprey ?  Hi, This is indeed an erinnophillic issue, of a non-adopted design for the first Belgian stamps. Eninnophilic issue's are issued by non-official parties, sometimes in collaboration with the official postoffices, sold for either charity causes of commemorative issues. They are not postworthy and thus are not stamps... The image here is a non adapoted proof for the first 1c stamp issue of Belgium, designed by Jules P. Delpierre. The 1c was issued in 1861. This commemmorative issue was sold in 1955 and value's COB 4 euro hinged, 8 euro unhinged for the Dutch version, 3 euro MH and 5 euro MNH for the French... |
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 20, 2022 14:50:11 GMT
The oldest (that I own) Belgian COB (catalogue officiëlle de Belgique) and the newest, for comparison in size  |
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 20, 2022 14:59:55 GMT
I like to collect the regular postage issues of Belgium but I LOVE the special issues (trains, pubs, military, occupation, etc etc). Here's part of my collection of specials: Airpost:      Military:  |
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 25, 2022 20:02:04 GMT
Received today in a lot that was labeled Belgie Mint precancels, I noticed these and purchased, although there are some overprints I do not have! Not sure if the seller didn't know what these were or just threw them in to get rid of them  There are: tête-bêches (head to toe) , tête-bêches with gutter (panel) between (some have guilloches on the gutter), publicity stamps (with pub panel) publicity stamps with a broad white border, some with lines or grids on, combination of publicity stamps with tête-bêches, two pubs placed tête-bêche with gutter between, one pub placed tête-bêche with stamp and gutter, so.. lots of choice |
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renden
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Post by renden on Dec 28, 2022 17:58:46 GMT
The missing (bought) FRANKEN has finally arrived and it was pleasure to re-do the pages from Steiner to my own for this 1915-20 series René   |
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renden
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Post by renden on Dec 28, 2022 18:24:44 GMT
Page 1 of the 1915-20 Belgique series has been scanned and may be viewed in the other post - René
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cjoprey
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Post by cjoprey on Dec 28, 2022 18:25:23 GMT
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Post by bjornbelgium on Feb 5, 2023 19:42:42 GMT
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banknoteguy
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What I collect: 19th Century US, High denomination US (> $1), 19th century covers US, Indian Feudatory States and most recently I acquired a BigBlue [with about 5,000 stamps] and pristine pages.
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Post by banknoteguy on May 12, 2023 18:41:20 GMT
I have been working on Belgian stamps for my WW Scott Intl Part I for the last couple days.
I have a couple questions on the stamp below. The only catalogue I have that lists it, is an old Scott (1970, Vol.2) which lists this as S.83 (A32).
The stamp below is on a ribbed paper which I think is clear from the scan. This is not mentioned in Scott. Scott says Perf.14, this one is 13.75x14. Is ribbbed paper a minor variety in other catalogues? Or newer versions of Scott? Is S.83 still the Scott designation? I have another like this that is not on ribbed paper.
Also the cancel seems like a precancel. Is it a precancel? If not what?
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Post by cjoprey on May 12, 2023 19:30:57 GMT
Hi banknoteguy - you have a 1914 typographic precancel on top of a 1912 stamp there. All Belgian resources I have (Balasse, COB, Stanley Gibbons, Michel and Scott) refer to it being a perf. 14 stamp, but they are often a little out. There are minor variants in terms of the brown colour in Balasse, but nothing is mentioned for either paper or perforation variations in any catalogue. Not that the differences aren't possible - this is the last issue prior to the German occupation, so it wouldn't surprise me that there are variants out there. The COTP (Belgian catalogue of precancelled stamps) lists this one as typographic precancel #50. It is based on a stamp listed in COB (the Belgian stamp catalogue as #109 from 1912). |
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Post by stainlessb on May 12, 2023 19:45:20 GMT
It is indeed a pre-cancel (pre-oblitre) and there are several thousand Belgium pre-oblitres -the 1996 catalogue lists 6056probably close to 7000 different stamps/pre-oblitres
I find no notes regarding paper in either COTP (for the pre-oblitre) nor COB (which includes a very small listing of pre-oblitres) I find this stamp listed as COTP #50 under the printed pre-oblitre (the earliest were overprinted by hand)*
I do not use Scott so I can offer no help here.
*I think I have that correct 9someone please correct me if this is not correct!)
These can be a bit overwhelming!
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Post by stainlessb on May 16, 2023 21:48:08 GMT
Taking a short vacation from France today Received the two higher denominations today. COB 289 -292 (Sc 213 - 216) two paper types white (blanc) and tinted (tienté). the 10F was only issued on white. There are no notes regarding the tint. The tinted paper issues have color variates 20F = 4, 5oF = 5, 100F =2 The 20F below looks to me to be a "green-black) which would make it tinted paper. but from the back it appears "whiter" than the others. I purchased under Scott numbers which makes no distinction.... any "clues" to identifying paper types? 500F and 100F both have what appears to be undisturbed gum   |
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Post by cjoprey on May 16, 2023 21:58:25 GMT
Hi Stan stainlessb - according to COB the white stamps are perf. 14, while the tinted ones are 14x14.5 - worth checking I think! The white ones are COB #289-292 for the 4 values, while the tinted ones are as follows: #290A - green-grey #290B - dark green #290C - green-black #291A - dark burgundy #291B - brownish burgundy #291C - reddish burgundy #291D - rosy burgundy #291E - carmine burgundy #292A - carmine brown #292B - carmine red Hope that helps! |
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Post by stainlessb on May 16, 2023 22:07:17 GMT
Chris
you have no idea how many times I read and reread the issue headers in COB! I apparently just glided right over the perf...
I'll be right back !
Thanks and cheers
Stan
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Post by stainlessb on May 16, 2023 22:21:57 GMT
Using 2 different means of measuring perforations -
14-1/2
10F COP 289
100F COP 293
14 x 14-1/2 (I actually came up closer to 14 x 14-1/4 on both)
20F COB 290C
50F COB 291B
still not clear on tinted versus white, but the perfs decide! (whew(
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Post by anglobob on Jun 21, 2023 17:28:30 GMT
King Baudouin definitive series . Sc 1089-1103 and Sc 1231-1234 Low catalogue value-the mounts and paper probably cost more than the stamps .I like the very simple design and attractive colours.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 4, 2023 22:18:28 GMT
I have not done much with Belgium lately and I needed a slight diversion from France. 1935 Anti-tuberculosis series (semi-postal) mourning Queen Astrid's death (hence the black edged paper- there are perfs). COB #411-418 There are varieties listed, (plate not color) but the some of the descriptions are a bit head scratching (Large wick, small wick, scar.... doesn't indicate where), so for now, just the basic set.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 7, 2023 22:17:34 GMT
COB 418A /418Aa Water green/green yellow These all look very similar, although middle row left 1 & 2 both come up as 'yellow green shade ' whereas the others all hit on 'apple-green using Perfomaster and pulling color from the denomination field. If anyone has both color varieties I would appreciate very much if you could post a san, unless yours look equally close. The used stamp has too much obliteration to pull a similar color field/sample from. Under natural ligt the 2 middle left do look a bit different with #1 being the most 'more green'. Top row left is the most yellow-green (and the Vario cover isn't helping much....) 
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Post by gstamps on Jul 8, 2023 4:56:59 GMT
Hi stainlessbI can look in Michel to see what the names of the colors are. For a quick retrieval, it would be helpful to always specify the year of issue. |
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cjoprey
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Post by cjoprey on Jul 8, 2023 8:51:46 GMT
COB 418A /418Aa Water green/green yellow These all look very similar, although middle row left 1 & 2 both come up as 'yellow green shade ' whereas the others all hit on 'apple-green using Perfomaster and pulling color from the denomination field. If anyone has both color varieties I would appreciate very much if you could post a san, unless yours look equally close. The used stamp has too much obliteration to pull a similar color field/sample from. Under natural ligt the 2 middle left do look a bit different with #1 being the most 'more green'. Top row left is the most yellow-green (and the Vario cover isn't helping much....)
Hi Stan stainlessb, Going from your scan the 1st and 3rd of the top rown and the last of the 2nd row are all yellow green. The others, including the obliterated one all strike me as the water green. I haven't checked my own ones yet, so can't provide a scan to show the difference. Hope it helps, Chris |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 8, 2023 14:03:45 GMT
gstamps 05/02/0935 - COB# generally follow Yvert & Tellier numbering system cjoprey Thanks Chris- I found a small lot of the complete series (including 1943) with color variety that looked a bit more 'distinct' (quite affordable!) . When they arrive I'll post (probably several weeks, has to get across the pond!). I have checked for the late varieties, but thus far have not found a single one.... I may opt to target the nuances and leave it at that Cheers Stan
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Post by anglobob on Jul 20, 2023 10:46:25 GMT
Waiting for recent purchases to arrive so I have been sorting and mounting stamps.An early King Leopold series,Sc60-75.  |
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Post by anglobob on Jul 22, 2023 12:11:33 GMT
Another series with King Leopold II. Sc 82-91  |
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