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Post by anglobob on Jul 23, 2023 15:47:40 GMT
King Albert I SC 92-102.According to Scott catalogue,counterfeits of the top 5fr value are common.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 24, 2023 22:39:26 GMT
Earlier this month I posted in this thread about the color variants of the 2 centimes Small State Seal issues (1935 (COB 418A - 426a). I found this small lot on E-Bay from a seller in Croatia I have dealt with before, which seems to show farly well the color variations -Row 6, 1-2-3 (L-R). There we also several of the "V" overprints I did not have! Now to compare these to those I have and decide which ones to mount! (following another similar lot which should arrive this week)  progress! |
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Post by bjornbelgium on Jul 25, 2023 21:02:05 GMT
I have not done much with Belgium lately and I needed a slight diversion from France. 1935 Anti-tuberculosis series (semi-postal) mourning Queen Astrid's death (hence the black edged paper- there are perfs). COB #411-418 There are varieties listed, (plate not color) but the some of the descriptions are a bit head scratching (Large wick, small wick, scar.... doesn't indicate where), so for now, just the basic set.  This is the picture from the catalog where the cirkels show where the errors are. The 70 cent and the 1,75 have an error depicted (scar and spot).  |
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Post by bjornbelgium on Jul 25, 2023 21:16:18 GMT
I have not done much with Belgium lately and I needed a slight diversion from France. 1935 Anti-tuberculosis series (semi-postal) mourning Queen Astrid's death (hence the black edged paper- there are perfs). COB #411-418 There are varieties listed, (plate not color) but the some of the descriptions are a bit head scratching (Large wick, small wick, scar.... doesn't indicate where), so for now, just the basic set. Here's two varieties that I have in my collection:  grande meche (big hairlock)  Scar  blue line on left shoulder (not even remarked in catalog) |
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Post by bjornbelgium on Jul 25, 2023 21:20:38 GMT
COB 418A /418Aa Water green/green yellow These all look very similar, although middle row left 1 & 2 both come up as 'yellow green shade ' whereas the others all hit on 'apple-green using Perfomaster and pulling color from the denomination field. If anyone has both color varieties I would appreciate very much if you could post a san, unless yours look equally close. The used stamp has too much obliteration to pull a similar color field/sample from. Under natural ligt the 2 middle left do look a bit different with #1 being the most 'more green'. Top row left is the most yellow-green (and the Vario cover isn't helping much....) 
I have two color varieties, but haven't named them yet in my album. I can clearly see difference in color where the one is more green than the other... You seem to have these two as well I believe. The middle row left is clearly a different hue.  |
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Post by bjornbelgium on Jul 25, 2023 21:27:39 GMT
Another series with King Leopold II. Sc 82-91  Your 2 cent is out of place here, the drawing runs through while in this series, there is a distinct white gap between the stamp and the label. |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 25, 2023 21:47:14 GMT
I have not done much with Belgium lately and I needed a slight diversion from France. 1935 Anti-tuberculosis series (semi-postal) mourning Queen Astrid's death (hence the black edged paper- there are perfs). COB #411-418 There are varieties listed, (plate not color) but the some of the descriptions are a bit head scratching (Large wick, small wick, scar.... doesn't indicate where), so for now, just the basic set. This is the picture from the catalog where the cirkels show where the errors are. The 70 cent and the 1,75 have an error depicted (scar and spot). Yes i saw these, but still not sure exactly what would be the "error/flaw" None that I have may have it as they all look the same. The 70 centimes would seem the easiest to find, unless the error has ALL of the issues circled. The 1 F75, maybe a spot below the eye (?) but otherwise I'm not having any luck. |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 26, 2023 22:38:55 GMT
1935 Small State Seal COB # 418A - 426a. There are more denominations in thias "series" but were issues sporadically over a number of years. I will "gather them up" and group together, otherwise chronologically there is not much continuity. (one of the reasons I opted to make my own pages!)   |
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Post by cjoprey on Jul 27, 2023 15:01:52 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 27, 2023 15:04:15 GMT
Thanks Chris ( cjoprey ) i am not convinced the 50 centimes are correct. Waiting on another lot. but at least there is progress |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 27, 2023 20:55:05 GMT
While working on COB 302 - 307; the later B.I.T. overprinted stamps (305 - 3207) are noted in COB to have added the names of the painters Lievin De Winne (60 c) and Jef Leempouls (1F & 1.75F), and the engraver Jean De Bast. The overprinted stamps were issued about 3 months (Oct 1930) after the initial release and unless I am mis-interpreting information, were only in use until Dec 1, 1930. I notice that in addition to th epainters names being added in the bottom left margin, the bottom right margin now has J.D Sc. Now, I am assuming that J.D. Sc. is in actuality Jean De Bast, and as room wasn't an issue, I wonder why they just didn't write out De Bast? On the first issued stamps , the initials JD appear in the image, lower right corner 60c, and lower left corner(s) 1F and 1.75. As they are not in the Overprinted issued, this would seem to indicate that the plates were retouched (but there is no mention in COB). Then I noticed the image itself is shorter (25 x 37mm versus 25 x 26.5mm) which would seem to indicate that these stamps may have had new plates made(?). Looking at my duplicates of 302 - 305, those that have clear cancelation dates are all 1930 (although IF I am interpreting the information in COB the not overprinted stamps were in production until 1938. 302 - 305  close-up of JD  306-308  painter and engraver info (from 60c) Seems odd that they would make new plates for such a short run as it certainly looks like there was ample room to add to the original plates (although all later non over-printed stamps would have the names in the lower margin...).
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 28, 2023 20:04:23 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 28, 2023 22:47:00 GMT
and one more page today! Auguste Piccard- a very interesting human being! I wonder if he was the inspiration for the character Jean-Luc Piccard of the Star-Trek series, or.... for those who are fans of the Beatles, look up the FNRS III, it just might make you think ithere really was a "yellow" submarine  1932 COB 353 -355  |
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Post by daniel on Jul 29, 2023 0:42:33 GMT
Auguste Piccard- a very interesting human being! I wonder if he was the inspiration for the character Jean-Luc Piccard of the Star-Trek series Yes, he was. Also the inspiration for Professor Calculus (Professeur Tryphon Tournesol) from Tintin, see hereDaniel |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 29, 2023 14:16:26 GMT
Thank you daniel ! and here's the bathyscape... with a definite resemblance to the Beatles Yellow Submarine!  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 29, 2023 17:54:25 GMT
next ( and I didn't find any prior discussion of this series) COB #317 -324. The 1 nFranc, 1 Franc 50, and 2 Franc all have listed color variants Below is a scan of my "current inventory: to select from. All stamps have been soaked for 10 minutes in warm/hot water with a drop of clear detergent for 10 minutes, rinsed in fresh warm hot water for 10 minutes, and then into 3% Hydrogen Peroxide for 3 minutes, blotted dry and placed in drying book overnight. (this soaking 'regime' has become S.O.P.).  1 Franc - colors are garnet and rose-garnet... which neither SG nor Michel have, but grabbing the colors from the 'color-names' site which has the many color/shades by hex decimal and RGB - we get the following (although I could only find Garnet-Rose instead of Rose-Garnet...) Compared to my stamps, I'm thinking all are garnet, although far right is a bit lighter/pinkish, but maybe not enough.   The1 Franc 50, has violet-brown and dark violet brown... the middle stamp is darker, the right stamp shows more brown and the one on the left, maybe just a bit faded. 1 Franc 75 has only one color, blue- However the two stamps (row 2 right side) appear to have a light blue under-printing- (they were like this before soaking), No mention of this, not next row, left stamp on yellowish paper (all the others are a similar white color.... 2 Franc has three color variants- Brown-sepia, brown-yellow, and brown-red- to my eye , the first three are the same (somewhat reddish), and the right two are maybe the Brown-sepia (none seem to have a particularly yellow tinge to them. The 2 franc 45 (for reference) is called out as violet. I'm hoping some of the other Belgie collectors can post if they collect the variants (and any info on paper variants)! |
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 1, 2023 21:41:03 GMT
1941 Winter Relief series #3, showing the statuettes of St. Martin I (located at various churches throughout Beligium. COB 583 -592. In other stamp series it was not uncommom that there were two versions- BELGIQUE - BELGIE and BELGIE - BELGIQUE. This series, the stamps alternate. I will now need to go back and see when this started (if not with these)  |
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 1, 2023 22:54:04 GMT
A one more for today. 1931 King Albert in Cap (that's the translation from COB) COB # 317 -324, The upside down stamp is that way as I do not believe it correct, but until I comeup with something to compare to, perhaps the variants are that subtle....  |
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 2, 2023 23:03:32 GMT
moving along here 1942 Anti-tuberculosis semi-postal "The Servants ( I'm guessing Servants of mankind....) COB's description are sometimes quite brief. I included a second 60c + 10c in what appears to be a color varinat (white background... all others have a tinted background of the printed color). No listing in catalogue. May redo page.... The mount for the 10F + 30F is a bit larger than my original imprssion (I should always try placing a stamp in the mount first), but for now, these are accounted for! COM 593 - 901  |
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 3, 2023 7:15:29 GMT
next ( and I didn't find any prior discussion of this series) COB #317 -324. The 1 nFranc, 1 Franc 50, and 2 Franc all have listed color variants Below is a scan of my "current inventory: to select from. All stamps have been soaked for 10 minutes in warm/hot water with a drop of clear detergent for 10 minutes, rinsed in fresh warm hot water for 10 minutes, and then into 3% Hydrogen Peroxide for 3 minutes, blotted dry and placed in drying book overnight. (this soaking 'regime' has become S.O.P.).I really liked that regime. I need to do this to when I have time to work with my own stamps again. |
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 3, 2023 11:04:43 GMT
A recent purchase at York was this block of 6 commemorating the defeat of the German thrust into the allied advance across France and Belgium in the bitter Battle of the Bulge in the Ardennes. A German breakthrough conter-attack threatened to shatter the allied armies. The holding and relief of Bastogne was a crucial turning point in the advance into Germany and on to Berlin. The 1965 Movie starring Henry Fonda,Telly Savalas, Robert Shaw, Charles Bronson and others is a great blood and guts story ....(unfortunately largely fiction and full of historic inaccuracy !) Can any of you Belgium collectors confirm the provenance of this item please?  |
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Post by cjoprey on Aug 4, 2023 13:02:22 GMT
Alek vikingeck , these are private issues as per COB:  |
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 4, 2023 13:19:23 GMT
So what exactly are Belgian “Private issues “? Unlike other Belgian stamps with a charity surcharge , the regular semi postals these are not listed in my SG catalogue
I guess these were produced to mark the construction/ or opening of the Bastogne memorial, perhaps by the museum or a veteran’s association?
There is a +10Fr surcharge which presumably goes to the organisation issuing the labels.
They are priced it seems both Mint and used, so had they a 2 c postage validity ?
the surcharge is a huge premium over the postage
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Post by cjoprey on Aug 4, 2023 13:37:54 GMT
According to COB, private issues were official stamps that were overprinted with surcharges - with official approval - by private organisations (usually charities). The ones you have were issued to fund the installation of the Mardasson memorial monument in Bastongne in Belgium - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bulge_Monument. As to the significant charity value, Belgian semi-postals sometimes have hefty extras, but I agree none as much as this one percentage-wise... |
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Post by mberry on Aug 4, 2023 16:34:59 GMT
I have seen COB in several post is this thread as well as others. What does it mean? I am guessing a catalog like SG stands for Stanley Gibbons but I am not familiar with COB as such.
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 4, 2023 17:38:53 GMT
Yes COB = Official Catalogue of Postage Stamps of Belgium It is (IMHO) essential if you have an 'in depth" interest in Belgium and it's stamps. I have not seen a Yvedrt & Tellier catalogue for Belgium, but as best i can tell the numbering system of COM, seems to follow Y & T, although I don't remember seeing any reference to Y &T, maybe others know a bit more It is also reasonably priced! Here is a link to the latest edition |
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 4, 2023 21:36:31 GMT
1944 Tuberculosis aide- The Belgian "Legends" The description in COB is 'brief" and some efforts to gather a bit more info met with success and some very little, so i hope my descriptions are accurate. The artwork, while interesting doesn't necessarily help COB 653 - 660  |
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Post by mberry on Aug 4, 2023 23:56:29 GMT
Thanks stainlessb! I wondered if it was specific to Belgium. Appears I will need to learn French or Dutch/Flemish to read this catalog. The link shows they are out of stock so no price is showing but it gives me the full name to search. I am just starting to get my Belgium stamps organized and identified. I appreciate the info! |
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 5, 2023 0:00:49 GMT
mberry if you are not currently collecting Belgium to the most modern stamps, you can quite likely find a used /older issue that would serve your purposes quite well. Much of the earlier information doesn't change all that much/fast!
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Post by cjoprey on Aug 5, 2023 16:50:35 GMT
1944 Tuberculosis aide- The Belgian "Legends" The description in COB is 'brief" and some efforts to gather a bit more info met with success and some very little, so i hope my descriptions are accurate. The artwork, while interesting doesn't necessarily help COB 653 - 660 That set takes me back to my childhood in Belgium - the first four of those are myths and legends I was taught in the 1970s: "Het ros Beiaard en de vier heemskinderen" - medieval French poem about a supernaturally powerful horse and 4 children it carried to safety. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_(legend)"Brabo en de reus" - the myth of how Silvius Brabo, a young Roman soldier, defeated the giant Antigoon who demanded tolls when passing the river Schelde. If they didn't pay, the giant cut off their hand, so Brabo did the same and threw the giant's hand away. This is said to have result in the local town being named "handwerpen" which means "hand throwing" in Dutch - today's Antwerpen. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvius_Brabo"Sint Hubertus" - 7th century bishop of Liege in Belgium, who is also the patron saint of hunters. Legend states that while out hunting on a Sunday when he should be at church he saw a stag with a crucific floating between the antlers who told him to devote his life to piety. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubertus"Tijl Uilenspiegel" - a set of stories about a German prankster from the 16th century. Adopted by the Flemish as a character of rebellion against the oppression at the time. His surname is German/Dutch/Flemish for "Owl-mirror". - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Till_EulenspiegelI'm afraid the others don't mean much to me. I'm sure you can find info on them somewhere online though! |
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