REL1948
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What I collect: 1840-Pre-Decimal, GB and Colonies, 1840 1 penny reds, British Empire Postal History, Switzerland Postal History
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Post by REL1948 on Feb 16, 2023 18:45:59 GMT
Line Engraved Security Printing: the Methods of Perkins Bacon 1790-1935, Banknotes and Postage Stamps by Gary W. Granzow FRPSL I ordered this wonderful book before Christmas, it just arrived today and was absolutely worth the wait. A beautifully produced book in typical RPSL publishing style. Largish, 9” x 12” with 319 pages and published in 2012. Filled with color and black and white illustrations, photographs, charts and personal histories.
I was surprised to find out that Jacob Perkins and Joshua Butters Bacon were both Americans that moved to England to extend their American printing business. I had erroneously assumed that they were former drinking buddies of Rowland Hill. One of the really interesting tools used during the 19th century to create those intricate geometric patterns you’ve seen on stamps, money, stock certificates etc. were created using a tool called the “Rose engine lathe”. The book shares a lot of detailed information regarding its use.
A rose engine lathe is a specialized kind of geometric lathe. The head stock rocks back and forth with a rocking motion and/or slides along the spindle axis in a pumping motion. A rosette or cam-like pattern mounted on the spindle is controlled by moving against a cam follower(s) while the lathe spindle rotates. Rose engine work can make flower patterns, as well as convoluted, symmetrical, multi-lobed geometric patterns. No other ornamental lathe can produce these "rose" patterns. The decoration produced by a rose engine lathe is called guilloche.
The patterns of the United Kingdom's first postage stamps (known as the "line engraved" series), including the Penny Black of 1840, were based on rose engine patterns. The die used to prepare the printing plates was partially created by means of the rose engine, which produced a complicated pattern on a separate piece of metal. Rollers were then used to transfer this pattern to the die, where it formed the background and border patterns (the head, corner decoration and lettering were hand-engraved). This pattern made the stamps difficult to forge. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is the most interesting book I’ve read so far about the printing firm Perkin & Bacon. I've included the full table of contents here to illustrate the scope of this wonderful book and highly recommend it. Rob
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Post by daniel on Feb 27, 2023 1:30:51 GMT
Courvoisier Printers A history of Courvoisier printed by them in a limited edition of 100 in English in 1956. This marked the 75th Anniversary of Courvoisier printing their daily newspaper L'Impartial in La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland. They also printed the watchmaking journal Revue Internationale de l'Horlogerie. In 1928 Courvoisier developed their Heliogravure department and in 1931 printed Pro Juventute stamps for Switzerland and that was the beginning of their worldwide stamp printing.
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 2, 2023 21:54:46 GMT
Arrived today! Both volumes (only one scan as the only difference in the cover is TOME 1 and TOME 2 . This is reproduced and in B/W (I do not know if the originasl was in color), for plate characteristics iit is not especially important. Yjis will either be very helpfiul or leave me more confused.....
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Mar 2, 2023 23:57:44 GMT
One of the really interesting tools used during the 19th century to create those intricate geometric patterns you’ve seen on stamps, money, stock certificates etc. were created using a tool called the “Rose engine lathe”. The book shares a lot of detailed information regarding its use.
A rose engine lathe is a specialized kind of geometric lathe. The head stock rocks back and forth with a rocking motion and/or slides along the spindle axis in a pumping motion. A rosette or cam-like pattern mounted on the spindle is controlled by moving against a cam follower(s) while the lathe spindle rotates. Rose engine work can make flower patterns, as well as convoluted, symmetrical, multi-lobed geometric patterns. No other ornamental lathe can produce these "rose" patterns. The decoration produced by a rose engine lathe is called guilloche.
The patterns of the United Kingdom's first postage stamps (known as the "line engraved" series), including the Penny Black of 1840, were based on rose engine patterns.
Years ago, on the thread for St. Vincent stamps, I posted some videos after a comment on the rose engine work of the earliest St. Vincent issues. I'll re-post that reply here, as it fits in perfectly with your comments on what you read in your book. I'm a fan of such geometric engravings so this post reminded me of some videos I've watched in the past on YouTube. Guilloché work is still quite common in the high-end watchmaking industry and is also used for such items as pen barrels, money clips, jewelry boxes, etc. But I've never before seen the kind of machine used for engraving currency, stamps, passports, stock certificates and so on, and after digging around a little bit, I found one. I had always wondered how the gearing arrangement worked - I remember reading somewhere that the US Bureau of Engraving & Printing had a 10-gear machine for engraving their currency (go ahead, try to work out the math needed to copy a pattern with 10 wheels!). The first video gives a better look at how this style of work can be done without electricity, and the second one, although it doesn't have too much footage of machines actually cutting something, finally lets me see how those machines used for currency and stamps worked. Ryan
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Post by nbstamper on Mar 7, 2023 16:52:12 GMT
I am more a generalist so have not been drawn to specialist books on stamps. I do have these 2 treasures from my father's library though. The Nova Scotia Post by J.J. MacDonald is an important publication and this hardcover edition was limited to 100 signed copies. It was published in 1985. The Holmes's Specialized has lots of detail information on Canada and British North America and covers up to 1962. [Moderator edit to remove quoted images] seegod1 I had shared these books back in 2021. Holmes's Specialized were the go to book before Unitrade. To be honest I rarely go to it but if you came across an early copy of it you would find it useful. I also have a copy of a 1968 Holmes catalogue. I wondered about tossing it when Unitrade came along; but glad I kept it. It's still a great reference book.
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Post by nbstamper on Mar 7, 2023 16:54:04 GMT
I splurged and bought the new Spink/Maury France catalogue which arrived today. Looking at the first few pages, I marvel at how much it would likely cost to build a first rate collection of early France.
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renden
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Post by renden on Mar 7, 2023 16:59:19 GMT
I splurged and bought the new Spink/Maury France catalogue which arrived today. Looking at the first few pages, I marvel at how much it would likely cost to build a first rate collection of early France. Glad for you Reid ! I have the 2017 and 2022-23 Editions - a bit of differences in both - I think I prefer the 2017 René
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 10, 2023 20:57:57 GMT
Received today!
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renden
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Post by renden on Mar 10, 2023 21:03:03 GMT
Now I have to re-check the revenues LOL !!
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 10, 2023 21:49:48 GMT
Me too! I'm not sure I have any, but the price for the book was too good to pass up
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renden
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Post by renden on Mar 10, 2023 21:57:08 GMT
Me too! I'm not sure I have any, but the price for the book was too good to pass up You do as you showed us some in a thread !!! I have some also, Stan - Enjoy !! Ren
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Philatarium
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Post by Philatarium on Mar 11, 2023 0:00:13 GMT
Me too! I'm not sure I have any, but the price for the book was too good to pass up stainlessb Stanley: Could I ask you if the catalog shows any early revenue issues that look like they could've been designed by Mucha? Perhaps similar in style to the postage stamps? (Big Mucha fan here!)
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 11, 2023 0:24:54 GMT
Philatarium The images are all B/W and not the clearest I have seen, but non seem to have an art-nouveau flair to the, at leats nothing jumps out. Many are simple and 'blocky", and they lack the flourish of the Austrian revenues. The reference provides mainly information about what the stamps were for (statistical fee, postcard tax, yeast tax, saccharine, flour tax....) I don;t think their economy was very 'robust" following WWI.
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Philatarium
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Post by Philatarium on Mar 11, 2023 2:37:40 GMT
Philatarium The images are all B/W and not the clearest I have seen, but non seem to have an art-nouveau flair to the, at leats nothing jumps out. Many are simple and 'blocky", and they lack the flourish of the Austrian revenues. The reference provides mainly information about what the stamps were for (statistical fee, postcard tax, yeast tax, saccharine, flour tax....) I don;t think their economy was very 'robust" following WWI. Thank you very much for checking into that. I really appreciate it! It does seem like the further back of the book the first issues were, the less artistic and more functional they became. Priorities. (Can't say I would disagree with that call.)
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Mr. H
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Post by Mr. H on Mar 13, 2023 19:32:31 GMT
Found this at the thrift store yesterday for only $1.00, worth it just for the postage.
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Mar 13, 2023 21:00:50 GMT
This just arrived - a small booklet (22 pages) on Finnish Revenues. With new new visual translate apps, I can now actually decipher some other languages that are utterly beyond my ken. This was mailed to me gratis by a friend who lives in Bellafonte, PA near the American Philatelic Society center. They have a “free” table which he monitors and then offers to friends. What a nice guy, eh? I also purchased a Barefoot Scandinavian catalog recently. a sample page;
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JeffS
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What I collect: Oranges Philately, US Slogan Cancels, Cape of Good Hope Triangulars, and Texas poster stamps and cinderellas
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Post by JeffS on Mar 14, 2023 22:26:42 GMT
A recent addition:
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Mar 17, 2023 11:04:33 GMT
Watch and learn boys & girls, the man has a plan and I have been taking notes as I watch JeffS build up his collection of COGH triangles as it is applicable to any collecting endeavour. As for the catalogue, seeing what others have done in the past and what material is available is definitely a worthwhile effort. Nice addition! My own library shelf grew this week with the addition of this text,
Now to research the covers already in hand, before purchasing anything new...
Have fun and happy collecting!
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Mar 17, 2023 11:13:50 GMT
What a surprise to see Russ Ott’s name as I knew him in the mid-1970s when I lived in Fort Worth. Russ moved to the Midland TX area after a couple of years and we lost contact.
And Stanley, thank you for the kind comments, Jeff.
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 3, 2023 21:12:05 GMT
What a surprise today! I saw that Chris ( Beryllium Guy ) had sent me something, but I did not know what. i came home from my one day a week 'marshaling" at the golf course I play at, and my wife asks "What did you order from Amazon?" I reply "I didn't order anything from Amazon", but there on the table is a box with the Amazon shipping tape. I look at the label and I see it is Chris. I have no idea what this box contains , but it weighs 14.5 lbs. OMG!!!! How useful these will be! Thank you so very very much Chris!!!
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renden
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Post by renden on Apr 3, 2023 22:00:33 GMT
Stan hope these are useful to you nothing like a new (or 2X new) books !!! Have fun !! René
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 4, 2023 5:04:12 GMT
Stan ( stainlessb), I am so glad that you are pleased with these books. I am totally impressed with USPS in this case, as I posted those using "Media Mail" on Saturday morning, and you already got them today! As for the books, I hope you will find them useful. I originally got these some years ago when I was doing a lot of French and German language work for my job, and I find that they offer a lot more translation options than a modern-day app or website. These books are particularly good for what I would call specialty vocabulary, meaning translations of terms in specific fields, i.e., philately, printing, etc. Anyway, enjoy!
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djcmh
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Post by djcmh on Apr 13, 2023 12:34:21 GMT
Arrived in my mail a couple days ago from amazon.jp, the second volume of JSCA's new bilingual stamp catalogue, this one covering the classics from 1871-1876 170+ pages covering in depth the first two definitive series of Japan, with all sorts of details on plate flaws, perforation varieties, paper varieties, shade and lots more Here is a sample page covering the ½sen Cherry Blossom stamp of 1872 Definitely an essential catalogue for anyone interested in the first issues of Japan.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 16, 2023 0:42:56 GMT
I would like to give a big shout-out of thanks to Jim ( jimwentzell ) for the lovely gift that he recently sent me in the mail.... All I can say is WOW! This is a beautiful, limited edition book that I had heard about, but I had never actually seen a copy. Jim, "thank you" really doesn't cover how much I appreciate your thoughtfulness and generosity! Thank you so much, Jim! Cover and title page of the book shown above: Bertolaja, Antonio. My Romance with the Cape. David Feldman SA, 2002.
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mberry
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Post by mberry on Apr 16, 2023 3:35:40 GMT
My newest addition to the library is the 2013 edition of The State Revenue Catalog. Have already used it to identify several state revenue stamps. Very handy book.
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renden
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Post by renden on Apr 21, 2023 16:39:12 GMT
Bought a few hours ago, a 2024 PDF (e-book) of WALSH very specialized Newfoundland catalog... ..just 980 pages
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Post by Statesman Stamper on Apr 21, 2023 20:28:07 GMT
Latest addition to my small library. I've been gravitating toward simplifying my worldwide collection, and lately the idea of a "simplified" collection focusing on face different issues has been appealing. I know it's not the most recent version, but for less than $5 I couldn't pass it up.
Dale
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seegod1
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Post by seegod1 on Apr 22, 2023 11:22:17 GMT
renden said: "Bought a few hours ago, a 2024 PDF (e-book) of WALSH very specialized Newfoundland catalog.....just 980 pages" That's the way, right? "Specialized" can mean EITHER 6 volumes... or two pages!
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renden
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Post by renden on Apr 22, 2023 12:41:46 GMT
renden said: "Bought a few hours ago, a 2024 PDF (e-book) of WALSH very specialized Newfoundland catalog.....just 980 pages" That's the way, right? "Specialized" can mean EITHER 6 volumes... or two pages! Do not understand your quote and 6 volumes of Walsh N.S.S.C. (paper) do not exist René
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seegod1
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Post by seegod1 on Apr 28, 2023 10:44:46 GMT
Sorry Rene I was cracking a joke about how some people define "specialized" - at one end of the spectrum it will mean X million volumes, or at the other of the spectrum, 1 page! See?!
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