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Post by mdroth on Aug 20, 2015 4:53:41 GMT
Sorry in advance - this page houses some of my duplicates as well! (Don't have every stamp in all 3 series as yet...but prefer to show my page rather than 3 different cat pages...) These are the 1st Turkish charity stamps...  |
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Post by mdroth on Aug 20, 2015 4:59:06 GMT
(Forgot how to do pictures here!)
You can see (a bit!) that the 3rd series was effectively the same as the 1st series, just with surcharges...
I still only have 2 of the 6 from the 2nd series - (1st stamp in each row) - tough to find!!
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Post by rod222 on Aug 21, 2015 0:16:40 GMT
Any members living in or near Ontario There's a budget 2 volume Turkey Catalogue for $5 Looks like English / Turkish text I would have snapped this up, but shipping kills it.   |
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Post by Admin on Aug 21, 2015 0:27:34 GMT
Any members living in or near Ontario There's a budget 2 volume Turkey Catalogue for $5 Looks like English / Turkish text I would have snapped this up, but shipping kills it. They are charging $15 US for shipping within Canada. If you want I can pick it up for you, well have it mailed to me and I have lots of free postage to send it your way. If this is ok just PM me with your max bid, postage to you be free. |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 21, 2015 6:58:42 GMT
Turkey Unknown (The first four I have as "Cinderellas TAS Turkish Air Society) If members have further information for an album page, it would be appreciated. Last 2, Exist in Yvert and Tellier Local Post? May be Saudi Arabia? Charity stamps, see Cjd's post below. All and any information appreciated. Note : Last one appears to have a surcharge?       |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 21, 2015 10:39:50 GMT
Turkey in Asia 1921 Steiner page 6 Surcharge "Ottoman Post 1921" 1 piastre on 1 piaster ( Unoverprinted Overprinted (type B stamp CV $1,800)   Expertiser's mark aboard:  |
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Post by cjd on Aug 21, 2015 15:02:57 GMT
As long as I still have the page open, I'll knock off the last two...you are back to the Charity stamps, from above. The nurse is #14 in Yvert, 2.5k violet from 1923, the middle of three values. The ship is a 1927 overprint on another 1923 stamp, the low-value 1k. If I am reading Yvert correctly, the overprint is a 20-para surcharge.
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Post by mdroth on Aug 21, 2015 19:28:21 GMT
Rod - not following all the posts - random/wildly different periods/stamps...
'Turk Hava Kurumu" = Turkish Aviation Association. The initial stamps from this 'charity' (really an 'NGO' - type of organization) are listed in Scott as 'Postal Tax Air Post Stamps' - RAC1-RAC 30, from 1926-33. The 1 kurus / orange stamp above is from a series of 8, issued in 1950. The association still exists, and is still issuing stamps. The first stamp you posted - the 50k/blue stamp - is much more modern - don't know exact year - guessing '80s...
The 2nd stamp you listed - the 1 k / blue stamp w/the bi-planes - is one of a large series (17 stamps) issued in 1937 - these were Aviation Defense Tax stamps. In Isfila - not sure why they're not in Scott, but technically 'revenues' which Scott ignores...
The 10 lira 'Damga Pulu' - blue stamp - your basic revenue stamp. Modern. They still use these today - on virtually every contract/sales document - still issuing new ones every year. (This one looks very recent)
What CJD said on the 2 charity stamps! (2 more of the earlier versions of the ones you posted on pg 1 of this thread...)
Then you've got almost blank pages of turkey in asia? Not sure what 'unoverprinted' stamp w/an $1800 cv you're referring to? The stamp you're showing is a nice copy of Turkey in Asia Scott # 54
All cool stamps! Happy to see Turkey stamps on the board!!
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Post by rod222 on Aug 22, 2015 0:31:17 GMT
Mdroth Thank you very much.  Mis-read Scott, "unoverprinted" adjusted to "Overprint Type b" Nearly Blank Page: My aim, is always try to inform, from a novice point of view, I try to interpret what others may do, as is my experience. The nearly blank page, illustrates the possibility of Saudi Arabia - Hejaz stamps crossing country boundaries, and, if so the meanings and Identification of the differing Arabic overprints. I think Steiner does a magnificent job in doing that. For example (apart from the last stamp) this is what I got amongst an "unchecked Turkey" auction lot, recently. I get Hejaz, Saudi Arabia, and Liannos Local Post Stamps Any novice collectors of Turkey, as myself, may read through this thread one day, and recognise otherwise difficult stamps. Cheers More odd ones coming soon.  |
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Post by cjd on Aug 22, 2015 1:49:37 GMT
mdroth, it's a roller coaster, but what a ride.  Then again, I like the weird stuff... 
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Post by rod222 on Aug 22, 2015 3:16:36 GMT
Civil Aviation Association  Revenue 1923 Charity Tax  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 22, 2015 3:18:38 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Aug 22, 2015 4:21:18 GMT
Arabic Numeral Reference.  Query: Scott reads "Perf 11, Pin Perf" Does that suggest 2 perforations seperate? Pin Perf and Perf 11, or Pin perf at 11 ? Sc#RAC1 1926 Bi Plane 20 paras SGT1039 (Note : feathered edges as this often encourage "rusting" or "toning" of stamps) I would suggest this is "pin perf at 11 punctures" yet some of the holes look cut, as a flat pin perforator. Your suggestions?  Askphil: Pin perforating (roulette): holes are pricked into the paper, without any paper being cut out. Percé en Points: (Fr.) pin perforation. In Punkten Durchstochen: (Ger.) pin perforation. Stichzähnung: (Ger.) pin perforation. |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 22, 2015 7:15:45 GMT
Revenues 1875 > Bibliography : Revenues of Ottoman Empire, and Republic of Turkey, William T McDonald Information here : Forbin 1915 (Last image on this page, Forbin has placed upside down)  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 22, 2015 22:54:09 GMT
Turkey Revenues (bent tooth straightened)  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 23, 2015 7:16:26 GMT
Six pointed Star, 5 pointed Star Monty Wedd's Stamp Oddities.  Turkey 1866 Handstamped Newspaper Stamp 3½p Black #YP6 Local Post Liannos CV $8 Not of my collection.  |
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Post by cjd on Aug 23, 2015 15:00:46 GMT
Here is one of my blue Type I examples of the 1865 Liannos private newspaper handstamp. I've posted this a couple other places over the years, so some of you have already seen it.  The image in rod's post, above, is also a Type I. Type II and Type III have serifs on the "P.L." and differ by having one line (III) or two (II) below the X. I don't know of any reason for the different colors, as I believe all of them were 3-1/2 paras, that being the rate being paid by them. If anyone has more information, share away, please. |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 23, 2015 20:56:07 GMT
Here is one of my blue Type I examples of the 1865 Liannos private newspaper handstamp. I've posted this a couple other places over the years, so some of you have already seen it. The image in rod's post, above, is also a Type I. Type II and Type III have serifs on the "P.L." and differ by having one line (III) or two (II) below the X. I don't know of any reason for the different colors, as I believe all of them were 3-1/2 paras, that being the rate being paid by them. If anyone has more information, share away, please. Wow! neat cjd. I had not seen these before yesterday. Nice piece. Similar greyish / brownish paper, suggesting Liannos had newspaper wrappers, I wonder. Both nice impressions, you would think they be smudged on a round newspaper tube. |
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Post by cjd on Aug 24, 2015 2:57:02 GMT
Here is a red Type I:  Obviously, the mylar strip is overly in evidence on this one, too. |
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Post by mdroth on Aug 24, 2015 6:08:15 GMT
Wow...this thread going faster than I can keep up! On the RAC1 / Bi-plane: I look at this as 'an old' stamp that was perforated with an 'old' machine. It is rouletted - pin-perforated. (Poorly done!) Most of these I've seen fall into that category. Don't have an obvious explanation for the apparent 'perfs' on the left side. If I had to guess, it would be that someone tried to clean them up? Remove the paper to improve appearance? And they gave up after a couple perfs, recognizing the futility of their efforts! They could've also tried both machines? Clearly all of their machines (perforating/rouletting) were horrible!! The random pages are awesome! Lots of cool stamps. Seeing these, you'll like my random pages!!  |
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Post by mdroth on Aug 24, 2015 6:09:15 GMT
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Post by mdroth on Aug 24, 2015 6:11:35 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Aug 24, 2015 10:15:29 GMT
Wow...this thread going faster than I can keep up! Wow! and along comes you, with all the pearls of the discipline ! Lovely stuff. Will take some time for me to digest all that. Question : (ignore my laziness) Can you give us some insight on the stamps placed on board, and used as currency please ? I briefly saw that somewhere but cannot recall where. Was that "Turkey in Asia" issues ? |
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Post by mdroth on Aug 24, 2015 11:16:32 GMT
Rod - fast answer for now:
"Turkey in Asia" = the precursor government to the Republic of Turkey. This was the 'new' govt - started around late 1919-early 1920- after WWI had ended - and the Ottoman Empire had been carved up - and they were deciding on the future. The Turkish 'independence' war was raging. (In Gallipoli - with many Aussies involved! 100th anniversary of that this year - w/a new Turkish stamp to commemorate it!)
During this time - this 'new' government took old Ottoman revenue stamps & overprinted them, and with the overprints, were valid as postage stamps. (See overprints above) With the date, in arabic - 1920; 1921 etc. (They didn't have the money, I'm assuming, or the ability, to produce new stamps...) So all of the 'Turkey in Asia' stamps are effectively revenues - issued earlier by the Ottoman empire for various revenue purposes (theater tax; railroad tax; museum tax; notary tax etc etc) - just now with a new overprint, making them valid postage stamps. There were also regular stamps used at first - I have a few & will post a pic later. (different overprints - on the 1914 pictorial stamps) The last group I posted above - are Naval seals - effectively cinderellas - for sailors to use. They overprinted those as well, making them valid for postage.
Just getting into ottoman/turkish revenues - and have a brand new catalog of them that I just got a couple weeks ago. I can go through & give some info about the revenues, and what they were used for, but my knowledge there is still very limited...
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Post by cjd on Aug 24, 2015 15:58:39 GMT
Great stuff, mdroth. I like the two 1897 error overprints just sitting there on their page, hiding in plain sight.  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 24, 2015 21:04:40 GMT
hiding in plain sight. Fabulous Oxymoron. |
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Post by mdroth on Aug 24, 2015 21:37:45 GMT
Yeah, well I eventually got tired of all of those sitting in stockpages, when they belonged in my album. Clearly I'm artistically challenged; designing & printing album pages is somewhere between doing my taxes & cleaning the gutters on the excitement scale. Thus, some random/catch-all pages of stuff that actually belongs... (If you liked the 'hidden' errors (!?) you'll like this one too: (where do I put it??!)  Anyway, here is that first Turkey in Asia page I promised: 
This page (Minkus Turkey album) lists 12 stamps; Isfila lists 18, but it is all different overprints on just 4 stamps - the 3 on my page, plus the 6 para (blue) stamp pictured in the lowest/right space. |
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Post by cjd on Aug 24, 2015 22:24:27 GMT
Why, yes, I do like that cinq/cniq newspaper stamp very much.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 24, 2015 23:10:10 GMT
1945 President Inonu Issues Steiner Page 6  Steiner Page 10  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 24, 2015 23:12:03 GMT
1947 International Railroad Congress Steiner Page 9  1935 Ambulante Postmark Alpullu  |
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