anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Sept 27, 2021 14:06:24 GMT
High value Machins issued in 2015,with the colour tab attached. These were a gift from a seller on Delcampe...an early Xmas gift !!!  |
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 27, 2021 14:37:20 GMT
anglobob....a nice gift but it has always amused me how Royal Mail, Gibbons and others never see eye to eye on naming colours. Those above and the Gibbons versions are quite different. Oh well. 
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Sept 27, 2021 15:31:35 GMT
Londonbus1, I agree,very confusing.It seems each issue they come uo with a new name...gooseberry green,dark pine green,tarragon green,bright orange green...sunset red,garnet red.. Soon they will run of names.. It would be much easier for my old eyes if they just had two versions of each colour light and dark.....
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angore
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Post by angore on Sept 28, 2021 10:05:42 GMT
If you google the color names, you will usually get a RGB number for the color.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 28, 2021 11:08:16 GMT
That's true but when the colours from Royal Mail, Gibbons, Michel, Scott etc are so different in name, then what good is an RGB number ? There is no connection between them when it comes to colours, let alone anything else they should be corroborating on. Just for peace of mind (my mind) I took a couple of the names from RM and the same ones from Gibbons and.....surprise, surprise they had totally different RGB numbers ! Even the colours used to make up that colour were different. Surely if the Stamp Printer (let's say Royal Mail are the boss here) says the colour is 'X' then it should follow that everyone should use the same name. Or am I out of line (or maybe out of touch ?). I know this is not new. RM have been printing the colour names in the margins for a long time and it's not new that I find it curious. Maybe 'The Stamp Forum' can give them names too ?  Back to Cindies ! |
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angore
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Post by angore on Sept 28, 2021 12:01:01 GMT
My comment was that the names of the RM colors are just not some artsy person making up clever names. To me, it does not matter what catalogs call the colors since it really does not make any difference until you start dealing with shades. This is mostly an issue with classic era stamps but Machins collectors deal with this too (different printers, print methods, screening, etc) since RM says they are the same color.
The RM has changed formulations of a named color. For example, the RM changed Royal Mail Red in 2016 by adding 9% black. SG Concise ignores this variation. Deegam uses RM colors with shades such as the above but does not give it any prominence like a new xx.x like catalog makers do. The challenge for some specialists that deal with shades.
Given that there are few single color issues these days, the catalog maker naming methods is not much of an issue for collectors of modern material.
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Post by daniel on Feb 12, 2022 21:26:02 GMT
The new 2D Barcodes Machins Well, like them or not, these are the new Machins. They are significantly larger than the previous Machin size, a gold 1st class version is shown for comparison. My view is that the barcode addition has been treated as sympathetically as possible with a faux perforation separating the familiar Machin portrait from the barcode.  |
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Post by iswscwebmaster on Feb 12, 2022 22:46:04 GMT
I am probably in the minority but, I like the look of them.
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 12, 2022 22:47:58 GMT
Yes, they aren't that bad, I kind of like them too. It is the new way, so you better get used to them 
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Feb 23, 2022 12:07:56 GMT
The new 2D Barcodes Machins Well, like them or not, these are the new Machins. They are significantly larger than the previous Machin size, a gold 1st class version is shown for comparison. My view is that the barcode addition has been treated as sympathetically as possible with a faux perforation separating the familiar Machin portrait from the barcode. (See earlier post for image.) Just had a thought about these barcoded Machin stamps. The idea (I think), that each stamp has a unique number which will be detected by the current Post Office technology & logged, when the "stamped item" passes through the sorting machinery, if the "same stamp number" is recognised again, the item will be rejected as "re-used" So what happens if the Post person mis-delivers an item, to the wrong address, then that item gets put back into the system for re-delivery. Are Royal Mail taking on extra staff to cope with the situation?? |
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angore
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Post by angore on Feb 23, 2022 12:23:03 GMT
I do not dislike them but will not collect them either. It is too bad they cannot hide the code in the image by using luminescent ink or other method.
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Post by elfstone99 on Mar 29, 2022 15:16:18 GMT
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Post by elfstone99 on Mar 29, 2022 15:22:43 GMT
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Mar 29, 2022 16:01:49 GMT
Thank you for the links  |
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Post by docphgeek on Apr 4, 2022 22:13:55 GMT
I love machins and these mew ones are not that bad, but I question the decision to sink money, time and effort into a redesign for a Queen who is 95. I assume the Machin design will end with her reign and new stamps will be designed for Charles.
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Apr 5, 2022 19:58:24 GMT
I love machins and these mew ones are not that bad, but I question the decision to sink money, time and effort into a redesign for a Queen who is 95. I assume the Machin design will end with her reign and new stamps will be designed for Charles. I will be finishing my GB collection @ the end of The Queens reign except for the first issue of the next reign. I think it will be a good time to catch up on past items & Machins I have missed over the years. |
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 13, 2022 20:41:57 GMT
I actually did two mailings today . The big lot had to go Special Delivery with 350 1st class and 200 2nd class ( booklet stamps ) worth about £500 for a widowed friend, and the regular Freepost pack of my own mixed values adding up to £34.00.
The Special delivery had the Edinburgh Tallents House address and postcode . Cost £7.95 with dozens of 20p Machins plastered all over the front . Carole’s hand cancelling machine was seriously challenged . “ well Tallents house should be proud of me “ she remarked
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Post by michael on Apr 22, 2022 8:24:51 GMT
Whilst sorting out my old machins for the swap out scheme I came across this page in my stock book. I used Lighthouse pre-printed pages at the time (the 1990s) and there would not have been a space for stamps of this variation so I must have put them here. I'm guessing these gum varieties don't have any additional value?
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Apr 22, 2022 8:49:42 GMT
Whilst sorting out my old machins for the swap out scheme I came across this page in my stock book. I used Lighthouse pre-printed pages at the time (the 1990s) and there would not have been a space for stamps of this variation so I must have put them here. I'm guessing these gum varieties don't have any additional value?
(Please see previous post for image.) Quite a few of the gum varieties have higher cat values than others. Some I can remember being the early gum arabics. |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jun 4, 2022 8:57:43 GMT
Here's a 1st Class Machin to celebrate the Queen's Platinum Jubilee ! From sand !! On the beach of the tiny Northumberland village of Bamburgh, it took 4 hours to complete. Difficult to post one would think Londonbus1  |
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Post by paul1 on Jun 11, 2022 10:34:12 GMT
Hi all - these 2p greens were on a small card that came in with a variety of other Machins, and under the pale green stamp the owner had written "2p rare light green". No doubt the other two are simply separate colour issues of the same value, but does anyone know if the light green job is in fact a known variety and has some rarity - thanks for looking:-)  |
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 11, 2022 11:19:54 GMT
I know from Deegam that there were shade variations for the 2p green issue (issues with getting shade right when they changed it) but do not remember something like this.
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Jun 11, 2022 12:36:31 GMT
paul1Hello It could be SG X928, a coil stamp issued in 1988.This has a higher catalogue value than the other 2p values . Anglobob
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Post by paul1 on Jun 11, 2022 13:17:05 GMT
many thanks for the replies:-) anglobob - in my ignorance I'd assumed that coil issues only had perfs on two sides, but obviously not. I have acres of Machins but I think this is the only 2p green shaded like this. Will keep for the time being and look out for any others of similar appearance though have to say I'm outrageously ignorant of Mr. Machin's design. thanks again.
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Jun 11, 2022 15:45:47 GMT
Hi all - these 2p greens were on a small card that came in with a variety of other Machins, and under the pale green stamp the owner had written "2p rare light green". No doubt the other two are simply separate colour issues of the same value, but does anyone know if the light green job is in fact a known variety and has some rarity - thanks for looking:-) Hi, with ref to the 2p Myrtle green stamps, there are several different types to consider. First issued by Harrison in 1971 with 2 phosphor bands OCP with PVA gum, OCP with gum arabic from multi value coils only, FCP with PVA gum, FCP with gum arabic from coils only, The fcp/pva exists with contaminated yellow phosphor giving them a higher cat value but not a lot. Then FCP/PVAD in 1973, in 1979 the type 2 with 2 8mm bands appeared FCP/PVAD & THE ALL OVER PHOSPHOR TYPE I fcp/pvad @ the end of 1979 TYPE I on phosphorised paper with pvad gum appeared. 1988 saw the TYPE III on advanced coated paper being issued on 14p multi value coils only. The 2p deep green on phosphorised advanced coated paper with PVAD gum TYPE III was issued in July 1988. ENCHEDE printed 3 variations in 1995 with elliptical perforations then Harrisons Questa & De-la Rue printed more between 1997 & 2003. ALL these so far were GRAVURE PRINTINGS. In 1988 Questa printed the 2p in bright green & deep green these were type II phosphorised acp, then in 1993 Walsall printed a deep green 2p (booklets) phosphorised acp perforation 14, all these were LITHO PRINTINGS. There are 3 Types of figure 2 (type 1 thick value, type II thin value from booklets & type III narrow value from 14p multi value coils in myrtle green & sheets from cylinder 16 in deep green. Best way of checking which is which is by the thickness of the neck of the figure 2 + the colour variation. I appreciate your scanned stamps are used so i.d. by gum types is not possible. |
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Post by paul1 on Jun 11, 2022 18:19:36 GMT
thanks for the in-depth reply - I'm in awe of such knowledge - am sure I'd never get my head around all the variations - such complexity. Yes, these used so gum not available for guidance, but I'll have a look at phosphor potential and size of figure 2. If you'd like these do shout - I've too many other irons in the fire to collect Machins. thanks again.
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Post by drblade on Jun 11, 2022 19:36:28 GMT
thanks for the in-depth reply - I'm in awe of such knowledge - am sure I'd never get my head around all the variations - such complexity. Yes, these used so gum not available for guidance, but I'll have a look at phosphor potential and size of figure 2. If you'd like these do shout - I've too many other irons in the fire to collect Machins. thanks again. Thanks for your reply, I only collect unmounted mint Machins. Looking at your light coloured stamp I would say it has 2, 9 mm bands. The colour is definitely not myrtle green or the "norm" for the 2p's. |
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 12, 2022 15:39:21 GMT
So I have started making up my Great Britain pages, starting with the Decimal issues. Checking StampWorld, I noted they include the Machin's, so I thought that since I am going to do a basic set, maybe I'll do that too. But numbers just don't add up to me. Checking Colnect I see some stamps without Sn numbers (Scott) so I follow SG. But they make no sense to me. A series of stamps issued in 1971 has such obscure numbering. Maybe I'll stick with the Adminware pages I already printed out & just ignore Machin's for now & just do the commemoratives, postage dues etc...
Peter
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Post by drblade on Jun 12, 2022 20:48:15 GMT
So I have started making up my Great Britain pages, starting with the Decimal issues. Checking StampWorld, I noted they include the Machin's, so I thought that since I am going to do a basic set, maybe I'll do that too. But numbers just don't add up to me. Checking Colnect I see some stamps without Sn numbers (Scott) so I follow SG. But they make no sense to me. A series of stamps issued in 1971 has such obscure numbering. Maybe I'll stick with the Adminware pages I already printed out & just ignore Machin's for now & just do the commemoratives, postage dues etc...
Peter Hi Peter, I agree that the S.G. numbering of Machins can be none sensical. I use the S.G Concise & the GB Q.E. II Decimal Definitive Issues catalogue vol 4 part 1. Adminware pages are pretty good but don't cover the full range of all Machins. SG even in the concise only covers the initial issued stamp + booklets & coils. 1970 Large head Machins 829 to 831b. 1971 numbering was X841 to X1058 (1/2p onwards but not in sequence of denomination due to different printers & stamp types) 1977 (large Machins £1 to £5 was 1026 to 1028 mainly for use as parcel stamps?). 1989 NVI stamps with standard perforations (mainly booklets) 1445 to 1516. In 1993 1664 to 1672 variuos NVI's & European rate). 1999 3 stamps large heads embossed & litho 2077 to 2079. In 1993 came the Machins with elliptical perforations with Y numbering Y1667 to Y1803 (1p to £5 again different printers & denominations not in sequence). 1993 1st nvi 1789 (self-adhesive booklets only of 20). In 1997 2 more 1976 & 1977. In 1998 2 more with 2 variations 2039 2040 2039b & 2040b. In 2000 the millenium Machins were issued 2124. In 2002 NVI's again 2295 to 2298. Then in 2003 overseas booklet stamps were issued 2357a & b 2358, 2358a & 2359. Then in 2006 came pricing in proportion (2nd small & large 1st small & large (blue 2nd & gold 1st 2650 to 2655. In 2009 the U numbering began with U2911 to U2917 then U2920 to U2974, U2975 to U2978, then 2979 to 2990 then 2995 to 3003, then U3010 to U3039. In 2009 recorded & special delivery stamps were produced U3045 to 3052. In 2011 U3055 to 3059. In 2010 U3060 to U3067 then U3070 to U3084, U3089, U3094, U3096, U3099, U3104, U3109, U3150, U3155, U3156, U3157. Miniature sheets and other sources of Machins were issued in between the issues of single stamps such as prestige booklets, therefore the numbers do not run in sequence. I will leave the rest of the issues here as mine need updating to present day. |
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 12, 2022 21:16:38 GMT
Lots to mull over. Thanks drblade . I have Scott's and Stoneham but Concise is on its way from SG, soon I hope! For now, I'll empty my stock pages of non-Machin's!
Peter
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