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Post by stanley64 on Oct 5, 2023 9:13:05 GMT
Thanks for keeping me honest JeffS ; the 1926 Portugal Ceres were printed by the lithographic process. This set is the only one printed in this manner and the earlier post has been updated for consistency. As for the printing error or changling on the 2c. Ceres, I have to agree with you tobben63 , there are too many questions and no simple answers; alarm bells ring. After reviewing the stamps in my own collection, I am once again inclined to think the stamp from the 3 shown earlier is in fact a changling caused by some external factor.
Given that the stamps were printed by the lithographic process in a single colour, it is hard to explain the extreme colour differences otherwise. Whilst no catalogue makes reference to them, there are shade differences known to exist with many of the values from the series including this example of the 40 c. issue,
Portugal Ceres - 40 C., Emerald Green (Verde esmeralda) - 2 shades.
If anyone has additional insights has to how a 'drastic' colour variant could exist using the lithographic printing prcess, other than a 'basic' shade difference, please do share...
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Post by rod222 on Oct 5, 2023 15:30:51 GMT
For reflection. The human eye can see more shades of green than any other colour.
The evolution of trichromatic colour vision in primates occurred as the ancestors of modern monkeys, apes, and humans switched to diurnal (daytime) activity and began consuming fruits and leaves from flowering plants.
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 8, 2023 7:18:41 GMT
I'm sorting trough Portugal now (organize duplicates for sale) and I had a lot of Ceres stamps. I will put these aside to do a proper identifying (try to) later. But here is what I have...
That is quite the hoard of Ceres stamps you have there tobben63 :-)
As you go through the pile, I would suggest keeping you eyes open for the thicker, thinner and tinted papers. As well, whilst I would not expect you to be looking for the more 'obscure' clichés, here are a few of the more interesting or well know ones:
second 'O' in CORREIO error appears on several stamp values
fat '4' from the 1917-1920 4c. green issue
first 'O' in CORREIO error appears on several stamp values
Source : Figueiredo, A. de (2003) Selos Ceres de Portugal. Madrid: Fundaçao Albertino de Figueiredo para a Filatelia.
Of course, inverted overprints are not hard to miss...
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 8, 2023 15:23:08 GMT
As mentioned in the "Whatcha Been Stamping?" thread here, a fair bit of time has been recently spent on studying and researching the margin printings of the Portuguese Ceres issues. The example shown in that thread was the blue 3 centavo from the 1926 London series printed by de la Rue using the lithographic process,
Using some new terminology introduced by rod222 , we can see the marginal rule of broken bars and the marginal marking both of which were used as printer's aids. Although these are routinely referred to as 'Jubilee lines' in British Empire circles as rightly pointed out by JeffS , in any literature on the Portuguese Ceres, the reference to these margin printings has always simply been bars ( barras).
Now given the format of the bars, i.e. 'continuous' or 'co-extensive', it would appear there exists, at least for this particular series, a hybrid of the two,
Here we see the co-extensive marginal rule above stamps nº 7 & 8 where the breaks coincides with the spaces between the stamps, but over stamp nº 6, the bar is broken. Instead, there exists a symmetry of a broken bar as in the 3 centavo example over stamps nº 5 & 6 which is the what one would see in a full sheet example. Perhaps this hybrid example of marginal rule printing has its own term as well?
With multiple variants of the margin printings, along with different margin widths just to mention two examples, a trip to the De La Rue archives may just be what is in order...
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Post by JeffS on Oct 8, 2023 17:43:21 GMT
I love stough (pronounced stuff) like this!
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 12, 2023 7:23:18 GMT
Here is another block of the 6 centavo value issue from the bottom of the sheet clearling showing the marginal 'ornament'; albeit a different tone than the previously shared stamps of the same value,
These markings are similar to other countries that have notable margin printings on their postage, e.g. Canada's 1911 - 1925 KGV "Admiral Issues and their 'pyramid' guide that can be found on the 2¢ and some booklet panes from the same series as discussed in this recent presentation from the BNAPS 2023 Convention held in Halifax last month - " Admiral Study Group Presentation".
However, unlike the Canadian issue and perhaps others, I can find no catalogue reference to these on the Portuguese issues and whether a premium exists when found on blocks or pairs.
If someone has a more current catalogue with there listings, please do share...
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 21, 2023 10:23:11 GMT
A rather 'gutsy' block of Moçambique's 1914, ½ C. Preto (Porcelana Médio), that catalogues cliché 'LXXI' to its position in the plate as stamp n.º 45, but it is the 'harvest moon' error on stamp n.º 29, that makes this a keeper...
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 4, 2023 10:48:39 GMT
Seeing stars... Portuguese Congo, 1914. 15 x 14 ¼ C. Sépia (Afinsa nº 99) Amareldo Pontinhado Horizontal and Amareldo Pontinhado Vertical (bottom row) with various star configurations
With a recent purchase, I have added several new paper types and star configurations of the Portuguese Congo issue 1914, ¼c. and a couple of the 2c. Carmim issue as well. Alas, although the 2c. Carmin stamps are on different paper types, Acetinado Pontinhado Vertical and Amareldo Pontinhado Horizontal Fino, the elusive II-III star configuration remains yet to be found.
If anyone has spares of either of these issues for trade or can post images of them from their own collections, please do share...
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Post by rod222 on Nov 4, 2023 11:18:32 GMT
stanley64Hi Stan, Can you explain the star configurations, please, I don't understand. Thanks.
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 4, 2023 11:39:23 GMT
I took a look Vince stanley64 and see I do have an example of the 1/4 C mounted in my album but no 2 C. The 1/4 C is on very thin paper.
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 4, 2023 16:58:04 GMT
Nice stamp Hugh ( hdm1950 ); thanks for the showing :-) With most paper varieties known and catalogued, the ¼c. Portuguese Congo issue is one of two paper types: Porcelana (coated paper) and Amarelado (surfaced paper),
The surfaced paper variety ( amarelado), seen here on the right, is dotted and can have the lozenges or diamonds arranged either vertically or horizontally as shared earlier in the thread here.
For your own stamp Hugh, I would suggest it is the surfaced paper variety and will have the rhombi running either horizontally or vertically under closer examination. As for the stars, the most common format is II-II, whilst yours is III-IV and ranks up there for scarcity.
The cliché seen in the 'O' of CONGO is fairly consistent among multiple examples and always reminds me of the 'O' flaw found on the Penny Black...
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 4, 2023 17:21:42 GMT
stanley64 Hi Stan, Can you explain the star configurations, please, I don't understand. Thanks. The five-point stars appear on either side of the country's name for several of the issued Portuguese colony stamps rod222 ; the 'CONGO' being one example.
With the stars, there are four positions possible: I, II, III and IV depending on the orientation of the 5th point which can either point up, down, left or right and whilst most issues have a standard configuration, typically I-I or II-II, there are variants. hdm1950 has shown his example with the III-IV configuration and other examples from the same Congo issue can be seen on the posting here.
Hope that helps...
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Post by rod222 on Nov 4, 2023 21:25:28 GMT
stanley64 With respect, Stan, in your Album Page, I wonder if you have made a mistake (Typo) ? The top brace you show, the right hand, you have it as "1-1V" should that not be "ll-lV" (in other words you have shown that one twice?) Quote If anyone has spares of either of these issues for trade or can post images of them from their own collections, please do share... Hopefully have these right?
I checked other colonies Tete: 2-2 Port Guinea : 2-2, 3-4, 1-1. Port India: 1-1, 2-2 Port Timor: 1-1, 3-4.
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 5, 2023 8:37:29 GMT
All good rod222 and I appreciate the second pair of eyes ;-) As for your own stamps, the Congo issues look correct and one has to smile at the cliché find in the 'O's of CONGO in each them. The other ones you have listed and without knowing the values of the stamps, it is hard to say, but I think you likely have them correct as well: Tete : II-II, normal for the value 5c. and above Guiné : similar II-II, III-IV & I-I - normal configuration for most India & Timor : same story as Guiné Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 19, 2023 10:54:05 GMT
From the Portuguese overseas territory of Macau, with its Ceres issues running from 1913 through 1933, one can begin with this stamp, the ½ A. sépia and its various papers,
Left - Right : stamp 1, sépia (olive brown) - 15 x 14, porcelana médio (coated or chalk-surfaced paper) stamp 2, sépia (olive brown) - 15 x 14, esmalte (enamel paper) stamp 3, sépia (olive brown) - 15 x 14, pontinhado vertical (smooth paper) stamp 4, sépia (olive brown) - 12 x 11 1/2 on liso (smooth paper) - pontinhado vertical
The star configuration of I-I (stamps 1 -3) and III-IV (stamp 4) is the normal or expected orientation...
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Post by rod222 on Nov 19, 2023 12:47:31 GMT
Demeter (Greek) = Ceres (Roman) Demeter De=Earth, Meter =Mother Demeter, (Ceres) an earth Goddess, falls for a human mortal in Ianios,
They make love in a thrice ploughed field in Crete, and a son is born , Plutus. (Ploutus) Demeter's brother, Zeus, is angry over the pairing and kills Ianios with a thunderbolt. Greek coins, and one from CarthageInspiration: Waldemar Januszczak Documentary "The Tempest" Iconography not understood for 500 years See Demeter and Ianios
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 20, 2023 10:41:44 GMT
Thanks for the posting to the thread rod222 , albeit trite. If you are interested in Greek or Roman Mythology, I would suggest one read Edith Hamilton’s Mythology or a similar text as an understanding of the Ceres' story without the inclusion of her daughter, Proserpina, leaves the myth incomplete and lacking context, especially for an agrarian based society. For now, back to the stamps... Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by stanley64 on Jan 8, 2024 12:03:49 GMT
Seeing René's ( renden ) 'Happy Holidays and a Giveaway' at the end of last year that featured stamps for the Portuguese overseas territory, Cabo Verde, I thought to have a bit of play with those in my own collection,
Above are five different paper varieties of the seven catalogued:
Cabo Verde 1914 - ¼ c. Sépia (15 x 14) - Paper Varieties (from left to right)
stamp 1 - porcelana médio stamp 2 - pontinhado vertical stamp 3 - amarelado pontinhado horizontal stamp 4 - amarelado pontinhado vertical stamp 5 - liso espesso
Whilst is enjoyable to discover the different orientation of the 'pontinhado' or dotted papers, it is the 'porcelana médio' or coated paper, that has the real eye appeal for me...
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Post by stanley64 on Jan 8, 2024 12:04:26 GMT
Continuing on the topic of paper varieties, here is an almost complete set from the 1914 Portuguese India series on Esmalte paper,
Given that the missing value and associated paper variety is that of the 1r., one of the lower values, I am hopeful that the missing stamp will be found sooner than later...
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Post by stanley64 on Jan 19, 2024 16:49:45 GMT
Whilst comments were shared for the false stamps shown earlier by gstamps in the posting here, it was the more recent image set shown in the ' Spanish Civil War (1936-39)' thread that had me taking a second look.
The higher values, 1E, 5E, 10E, etc. were discussed and as pointed out there are websites that document the differences between the genuine and the false, but what about the Angola 60c.,
1. hook in the sleeve of the left arm, seems to be a common feature of many a forgery 2. misformed letters of REPUBLICA PORTUGUESA; the letters are thin and spacing is visually greater than the genuine copy. 3. the country names are not refined enough for the serif font used, note the 'G' is not crisp in ANGOLA.
4. throughout Ceres' garments the lines are copied, but again, not as well defined. 5. as always, paper can be a useful determine factor. Genuine copies of the Angola 1925-26 Ceres are printed on liso (smooth) and pontinhado vertical (vertically dotted paper)
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P.S. The 1/4 c. Mocambique issue in the same Spanish Civil War posting looks right ;-)
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Post by stanley64 on Feb 8, 2024 11:52:23 GMT
More to falsification of the Portuguese Ceres' is the 10E found in renden 's most recent giveaway and was first shown here. As part of a recent trade with Beryllium Guy , I was pleased to be able to add this stamp to my growing reference collection of the Ceres' falsified stamps,
With stamp in hand, the first thing to do was flip it over and have a look at the gummed side. From the gum, one could immediately see that the stamp was not genuine,
On the left, the unmistakable streaky glue, with its horizontal stripes, is clearly visible when compared to a genuine issue on the right.
Back to the front or image side, the characteristics of a falsified stamp are clearly visible,
1. hook in the sleeve of the left arm, the same line, on a true stamp, is straight. 2. misformed 'T' of PORTUGUESA, the letter should 'hug' the 'R', but not touch. 3. no pools of ink which creates tiny dots overall as seen on genuine examples is missing. 4. the country name are not refined enough given the use of serif font, none of the 'E's are crisp as would be expected. 5. lastly, the 'A' of CABO is smaller than the other letters and is inconsistent with the other letters.
Even though, clearly not a genuine copy, it is still a welcome addition to the collection...
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Post by JeffS on Feb 8, 2024 12:11:56 GMT
A very helpful study.
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Post by stanley64 on Feb 8, 2024 12:14:45 GMT
These are right though, a complete set of the 1913 Macau Ceres' on porcelana or coated paper, Macau, 1913. Complete series, perf. 15 x 14 on papel porcelana médio (medium porcelain paper) or papel porcelana espesso (thick colored porcelain paper) for the 58A. - 3P. values
Given that the porcelana paper is a coated paper, unlike other papers used in the production of the Ceres' issues whose paper can be determined by holding it up to a strong light source, one of the simplest ways to verify this type of paper and its composition it to apply heat as discussed earlier in the thread here.
The visible cliché on the 40A. stamp, needs some further investigation...
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 8, 2024 15:38:43 GMT
Thanks for your posts today, Vince ( stanley64)! I am glad that the 10E forgery arrived in good time. I am interested in learning more about the coated or porcelain paper, which you mentioned. Do you know if it causes the ink to be released from its surface when one of these stamps is soaked in water? I am thinking along the lines of chalk-surfaced paper, which often makes it easier for the ink to fade or disappear altogether when soaked in water. I am wondering if I need to add these to the fugitive inks list....
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Post by stanley64 on Feb 10, 2024 11:27:45 GMT
Having 'washed' my share of the Portuguese Ceres' on a variety of the known papers, I think one can safely omit them from the listing. The next time I have the soaking pan out Chris, I will through in a porcelana copy just to confirm.
Thus far though, I only think about fugitive inks after I read your postings and to date, have had no stamps have been damaged...
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Post by stanley64 on Mar 30, 2024 17:44:00 GMT
Whilst it may not fit the dictionary definition of a fugitive ink Chris ( Beryllium Guy), immersing the coated, chalk-surfaced stamps will cause damage as can be seen in this example, Portuguese Ceres Issue - Moçambique 1921, 60c. Castahno s/Rosa porcelain (medium) paper, perforated 12 x 11 1/2
Although the stamp on the left was already for the dustbin, after ~10-15 minute of being immersed in water, additional parts of the design have begun to lift off. Additionally, the once coloured-chalk surface of the paper has been removed exposing the white gypsum layer used to create the coated paper initially which is still visible in the stamp on the right.
Like oil and water, coated papers and soaking, do not mix...
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Post by stanley64 on Mar 30, 2024 17:57:01 GMT
From the recent Portuguese mix received from Alex ( vikingeck ), I would find this stamp,
Angola, 1914. ½ c. Preto, Liso (15 x 14)
Whilst it was the misperf that initially caught my eye, upon closer examination, it was the small dot in bottom right corner & ink ‘blob’ that joins the text to frame that made me think I had seen this particular cliché before,
Angola, 1914. ½ c. Preto, Acetinado (12 x 11 ½ )
stamp 1 - dot over ‘R’ in CORREIO stamp 2 - large spot in Ceres’ vestemente stamp 3 – line scratch through garment in right sleeve stamp 4 – small dot in bottom right corner & ink ‘blob’ joins text to frame
It is the 4th stamp in the strip that matches and with a known constant plate variety in hand, the next step is to try and plate the instances of all four clichés...
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