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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 23, 2018 16:08:14 GMT
Dear Bombadil, Re your 1894 - 25th Wedding anniversary of Emperor Meiji(Mutsuhito) and Empress Haru, the postmark could be read as; Okitsu, Suruga, Nov. 9, Meiji 28 (1895), Telegraph. Seems that this stamp has been used to pay the telegraph fee at the Okitsu post office. Hironobu, thanks for making this post regarding the earlier post from Jad ( Bombadil ). I would like to ask your opinion about something. As a worldwide collector from the US, I mainly use Scott brand catalogues, and most often the Scott Classic Specialized Catalogue 1840-1940, which has a note about postal versus telegraph cancellations. It states that for Japan, Scott #58, 61-62, 64-65, 71-84, these are sometimes found with telegraph or telephone office cancellations, and that those stamps sell for considerably less than postally used examples. Do you agree with that? I also note that the 1894 Wedding Anniversary stamps are Scott #85-86, so in theory, the above note in the catalogue would not apply to them. Anyway, Hironobu, this note was added to the Scott Classic Catalogue a couple of years ago, and I have been wondering if their comments would be considered as correct by collectors in Japan. I look forward to your comments. |
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Post by unechan on Nov 24, 2018 2:29:29 GMT
Bonjour Beryllium Guy, Dear Bombadil, Re your 1894 - 25th Wedding anniversary of Emperor Meiji(Mutsuhito) and Empress Haru, the postmark could be read as; Okitsu, Suruga, Nov. 9, Meiji 28 (1895), Telegraph. Seems that this stamp has been used to pay the telegraph fee at the Okitsu post office. Hironobu, thanks for making this post regarding the earlier post from Jad ( Bombadil ). I would like to ask your opinion about something. As a worldwide collector from the US, I mainly use Scott brand catalogues, and most often the Scott Classic Specialized Catalogue 1840-1940, which has a note about postal versus telegraph cancellations. It states that for Japan, Scott #58, 61-62, 64-65, 71-84, these are sometimes found with telegraph or telephone office cancellations, and that those stamps sell for considerably less than postally used examples. Do you agree with that? I also note that the 1894 Wedding Anniversary stamps are Scott #85-86, so in theory, the above note in the catalogue would not apply to them. Anyway, Hironobu, this note was added to the Scott Classic Catalogue a couple of years ago, and I have been wondering if their comments would be considered as correct by collectors in Japan. I look forward to your comments. The stamps mentioned should be the so-called "Koban" definitives (Scott #55-71 : Old Koban, #72-74: UPU Koban and #75-84: New Koban). They could be found with telegraph cancel (small double circled cancel without date inscription) and telegraph or telephone post office cancellations (bisected circle datestamp, with either "Telegraph", "Telephone" or blank in the lowermost entry). Although these usages are generally considered to be less valuable than postally used examples, it does depend on the combination of the cancel and the stamp (of course). Generally speaking, non postal usage for high face value stamps are less expensive than postally used ones, but the situation reverses for lower face value stamps (e.g. 5 Rin, 1 Sen and 2 Sen) thus they are omitted from the Scott catalogue listing. But even for Scott #77 (New Koban 4 Sen olive bistre) and #78 (New Koban 8 Sen blue lilac) non postally used ones have higher CV than postally used ones in Japanese Stamp Specialized Catalogue (JSCA) Vol.1 (2011-2012 edition). As for the 25th Wedding anniversary series, the 2 Sen (Scott #85) can fetch higher price for telegraph and telephone use, but for 5 Sen the postal used ones are more valuable. So I would say that the explanation in Scott could be generally agreed, but with several exceptions. One possible reason that the high face value examples are pretty abundant (thus lower CV) are there were still lots of excess stocks at post office even after the Kiku (chrysanthemum crest) definitives (Scott #91-108) has been issued, so they had to somehow spend the stock by using for paying fees for telegraph, telephone and telephone line permit at post offices. I personally do like the telegraph cancels; they are small and cute, with lots of variations. Here's what I have for the Koban series.  - Hironobu P.S. I've once spend a wonderful half-year stay in Aix (more than 20 years ago); I am really wishing that some day I'll be coming back to the relaxing cafe at Cours Mirabeau ! |
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 19, 2019 0:27:44 GMT
I'm almost surprised no one has posted the series of annual stamps I believe they call philately day.growing up my friends older brother (ex navy hence his interest) had extensive Japanese collection.If I remember they depicted typical traditional Japanese dress.. Geisha and such.
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Post by salentin on Jan 23, 2019 1:35:05 GMT
Here the complete set Sc.152-154:
Scott notes that the set was printed by Typo.That is correct for the lower values. However the 10 Sen was printed by Typo and recess (engraved) in combination.
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Post by salentin on Jan 23, 2019 16:53:07 GMT
Sc.157 in original color, not oxidized  |
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Post by salentin on Jan 24, 2019 1:55:19 GMT
  Sc.no.230-33
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Post by salentin on Jan 24, 2019 2:09:10 GMT
Sc.no.227-29 Again a colour-problem: the 1 1/2 Sen is listed as grey-violet.The others are again to colour-intensive.
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Post by salentin on Jan 24, 2019 16:56:32 GMT
Here the complete set of Postal Jubilee issue from April 20th,1921 (your post from Jan.22nd) Sc.no.163-66,Sakura C28-31;
1 1/2 & 4 Sen show the national flag in the middle,the old postal flag to the and the new postal flag to the right. 3 & 10 Sen show the Ministry of Communications building.
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Post by salentin on Jan 29, 2019 1:49:41 GMT
First National Census,issued Sept.25th,1920; Stamps were valid only for inland-mail and mail to China.
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Post by salentin on Jan 31, 2019 1:48:00 GMT
Dedication of the Meiji Shrine,issued Nov.1st,1920. Valid inland and for mail to China.
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Post by salentin on Feb 3, 2019 1:24:58 GMT
Return of Crown Prince Hirohito from his voyage to Europe. issued Sept.3rd,1921
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Post by salentin on Feb 5, 2019 20:41:03 GMT
On Sept.1,1923 a catastrophic earthquake hit the Kanto-plane,destroying large parts of Yokohama and Tokyo. In Tokyo the the quake destroyed the G.P.O. and the Government Printing Office.Stamps and printing plates were destroyed.A commemorative series for the wedding of crown prince Hirohito and princess Nagako perished. However some sets had been sent to outer possessions,like the Marshall-Islands,Marianas and Carolinas before the quake hit.Those set were recalled and were given to high-ranking persons as a present. Here the set taken from my "ancient" 2001 SAKURA catalogue:
A very expensive set indeed !
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Post by renden on Feb 5, 2019 20:57:01 GMT
Thanks Salentin salentin for the great stamps posted - I like the history given about them. Hope you are safely back home in Paraguay René |
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Post by salentin on Feb 8, 2019 20:50:09 GMT
René, There must be a misunderstanding: I have not been out of Paraguay for about twelve years.But there should be some change this year,when we´ll move back to Europe. Werner
Back to Japan: Due to the destruction of stamps and printing plates during the big earthquake of 1923 a provisional defintive series was issued on Oct.25th,1923.
(part I of 2)
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Post by renden on Feb 8, 2019 20:53:16 GMT
René, There must be a misunderstanding: I have not been out of Paraguay for about twelve years.But there should be some change this year,when we´ll move back to Europe. Werner
I did not figure this out.......you are out of Germany........Paraguay just for work - hope I have it this time - René salentin |
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Post by salentin on Feb 9, 2019 20:23:22 GMT
Yes there is a lot of work we have to do here in Paraguay.But that is due only to having to cut a big lawn (6000 m²),care for a garden the house etc. For the rest of the property we have at the moment 14 helpers,who keep the vegitation short.The helpers (14 cattle) are owned by a neighbour,how cares for the fencing and has to clean-cut the pastures. I am getting to old for all the work and we are somewhat tired of the warm climate,what once was the reason,why we came here. So we intend to go back to my hometown Essen later this year. Back to Japan:
1923 earthquake-provisionals,part II of 2.
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Post by salentin on Feb 13, 2019 11:57:22 GMT
From the earthquake provisionals,back to the earliar definitives.Because I have few of the "classics" only,what are a minefield of forgeries and should not be bought without an expertise,unless you are an expert yourself,I will show the "semi-classics" only,starting with the "Old Kobans Series".(I know,that there is no universally accepted definition for "classics","semi-classics" or "modern" stamps.) Unfortunately I do not own all of the stamps,so I will show only the ones,I can.
"Old Kobans",issued 1876/77 (part I of 2)
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Post by salentin on Feb 14, 2019 16:06:11 GMT
"Old Kobans",part II of 2
Missing are: 5 Rin slate 6 Sen orange-brown 8 Sen violet-brown 12 Sen rose 45 Sen carmine or rose
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Post by unechan on Feb 17, 2019 2:46:51 GMT
My best attempt to fill the missing ones in the wonderful Old Koban posts by Werner;  5 Rin slate
 1 Sen lake-brown
 2 Sen violet
- Hironobu |
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Post by unechan on Feb 17, 2019 2:50:10 GMT
And the rest of Old Koban from my album; 8 Sen and 50 Sen. The remaining ones (3 Sen, 12 Sen and 45 Sen) are really tough, especially the latter two which may be pretty costly.  8 Sen purple-brown
 50 Sen bright rose-red - Hironobu |
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Post by salentin on Feb 19, 2019 17:14:05 GMT
After two days without internet-connection (yes I know,but that´s Paraguay),here further Kobans:
In 1879,(on June 30th 3 & 50 Sen and Oct.11th 1 & 2 Sen (violet)),four additional values were issued.
Luckily Hironubo,thank you very much,did help me out with 1,2 and 50 Sen,because I have the 3 Sen only (top row).
On January 1st,1883 1,2 and 5 Sen were re-issued in new UPU-conforming colours. (lower stamps)
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Post by salentin on Feb 22, 2019 16:42:03 GMT
"New Kobans",issued April 28th,1888 (25 S.,1 Y.),May 6th,1892 (3 Sen),March 10th,1888 others. Missing is 5 Rin dark-grey,issued Oct.1st,1889. (part I of 2)
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Post by unechan on Feb 23, 2019 1:51:19 GMT
Filling Werner's gap : New Koban 5 Rin, with a faint & partial foreign mail datestamp, Medium Circle Datestamp with Two-Figure Year.  -Hironobu |
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Post by salentin on Feb 23, 2019 16:34:17 GMT
When shown side by side the different tones of grey of the 5 Rin 1876 (Old Koban) and that of 1889 (New Koban) can be well seen.Thank you for your help Hironubo ! Here part II of 2 of the New Kobans:
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Post by salentin on Feb 26, 2019 16:27:10 GMT
The "Chrysanthemum (kiku)" definitives were issued in 1899. 2,4,10 Sen on Jan.1st,5 Rin,1,3 Sen,April 1st,others Oct.1st. Like the Kobans the Kikus exist with different perforations
(part I of 3)
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Post by salentin on Feb 27, 2019 16:18:45 GMT
I simply lack the knowledge,to make a meaningful comment about the 45 Sen Koban.
Here "Chrysanthemum" series part II of 3:
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Post by salentin on Feb 28, 2019 16:16:34 GMT
(part III of 3)
The 50 Sen and the 1 Yen stamp complete the set from 1899. The 1 Yen is the only embossed stamp of this series.
Additional values: 1 1/2 Sen pale ultramarine,issued Oct.1st,1900 1/2 Sen,issued March 27th,1901 1 1/2 Sen violet (sorry,don´t have) and 3 Sen rosine,issued May 15th,1906 6 Sen,issued August 20th,1907
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Post by salentin on Mar 4, 2019 1:24:03 GMT
Chrysanthemum (Kiku) stamps were overprinted for Japanese Post Offices in China and in Korea.
Stamps for P.O. in China,issued Jan.1st,1900.
As one can see,I have few of these only. (part I of 2)
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Post by salentin on Mar 4, 2019 17:55:45 GMT
Japanese P.O. in China,part II of 2; Additional Kiku values (1 1/2 Sen violet is missing) issued 1901/1907.
The high values 5 & 10 Yen from 1908 (shown by nl1947 on Jan.22nd) were also overprinted. I have the 10 Yen only.Although printed in a rather small number of 5000 stamps only, the overprinted version in mint codition is cheaper,than the the original stamp (print:400.000). issued Feb.20th,1908;
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Post by salentin on Mar 7, 2019 16:13:59 GMT
 Japanese post offices in China (left stamp) and Korea (right stamp) side by side.
China upper,Korea lower stamp.
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