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Post by salentin on Mar 8, 2019 16:34:58 GMT
The few stamps of mine,issued for the Japanese P.O. in Korea on Jan.1st.1900
The 1 1/2 Sen is a very fine stamp,except of the fact,that the overprinted is a forgery ! I bought it from my favourite Japan-dealer in the US,but left it for several years,before I sent it for expertising.I have learned from that !
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Post by unechan on Mar 10, 2019 6:26:53 GMT
I really enjoy the great posts of Kiku stamps by Werner with lots of beautiful unused ones; that is amazing. Re the Old Koban 45 Sen posted by Chris (beryllium guy), I am afraid that I can see traces of suspicious characters... I have compared the image with the genuine ones taken from the website of Takahashi Stamp.  As we compare the two (left is genuine), the alignment of "45" looks different (i.e. smaller and lower "5"), and the serifs in "SEN", especially for "S" and "E" look different (more obvious serif). As for perforations, Chris's stamp looks to be close to 11 (10 1/2 or more?), whereas the Old Koban 45S exist in 8 1/2 and 10 only. So looks like the stamp needs further investigation... - Hironobu |
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Post by unechan on Mar 10, 2019 6:35:21 GMT
Re the Old Koban 45 Sen, another clue seems to be in the cancellation; the double-circle type datestamp (二重丸型日付印）possibly from Tokyo.
Japanese Stamp Specialized Catalogue Vol 3 (page 180) says that this cancellation on 45 Sen is listed as "-", i.e. it may exist but extremely rare.
So putting together these observations might suggest that Chris's stamp is unfortunately to be very likely to be a forgery...
- Hironobu
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Post by salentin on Mar 11, 2019 20:26:21 GMT
The only commemorative stamp,overprinted for P.O. in China and Korea is the wedding of crown prince Yoshihito and princess Sadako stamp from 1900. I can show the one for P.O. in Korea only:
The Kiku 3 Sen in rosine from 1906,was issued on Dec.1st,1910 overprinted as
Military Frank with the following overprint:
I do not own that stamp,but the overprint is the same as on the above one from the "Tazawa-series".
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Post by salentin on Mar 14, 2019 20:37:50 GMT
In 1913 newly designed definitives were introduced,called "Tazawa Series" after Masakoto Tazawa,who was the designer. The Tazawa series exists with different papers,perforations and in different sizes. So there is plenty of room for specialization.
The first series was issued in 1913,Aug.31 1 1/2 u.3 Sen,Oct.31st others. Printed on white paper without watermark. Missing are: 1 1/2 (like 1 Sen),4,10,20,25 (like 5 Sen) Sen.
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Post by salentin on Mar 18, 2019 16:14:36 GMT
"Tazawa"- series,now on watermarked paper "zig-zag-lines". Exist in three different sized dies. The above are 19 by 22 1/2 mm: "old" or "large die". issued May 20th,1914
1 1/2 and 3 Sen stamps imperforated on one or two sides are from booklets.
(part I of 2)
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Post by salentin on Mar 19, 2019 16:37:53 GMT
"Tazawa",watermark zig-zag lines,old die,issued May 20th,1914,(part II of 2). Missing are 2 Sen and 1 Yen. The high valued (5 & 10 Yen) stamps of 1908,were also reissued on watermarked paper.
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Post by salentin on Mar 23, 2019 1:31:12 GMT
Tazawa cont.:
New Die,Goebel-Rotation-Print,sized 18.5 x 22.5 mm There are also 1 1/2 and 3 Sen. 1/2 Sen issued 1935,1 1/2 SenMay 1931,3 Sen Feb.1926,1 Yen Feb.1930;
The 1 1/2 and the 3 Sen were issued as coil stamps,horizantally perforated 13 only,on Nov.1st,1933.
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Post by salentin on Mar 24, 2019 1:13:59 GMT
Tazawa,new die 18,5 x 22 mm
Issued: 1/2 Sen Aug.1929,1 Sen Mar.1930,1 1/2 Sen Dec.1928,5 Sen March 1930
Missing:3 Sen May,1926,25 Sen 1930 The 1 1/2 and the 3 Sen stamps imperf on one or two sides are from booklets.
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Post by salentin on Mar 27, 2019 2:18:24 GMT
additional values,issued Aug.16th,1919 (missing is the 6 Sen red-brown,same type as 8 Sen)
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Post by salentin on Mar 29, 2019 2:48:33 GMT
Further additional Tazawa values:
13 Sen old die (19 x 22.5 mm) (left stamp),issued Sept.9th,1925 13 Sen new die (18,5 x 22 mm) right stamp,issued 1930 30 and 50 Sen bi-coloured,issued Sept.1st,1929 7 Sen,issued Jan.21st,1931
I have to admit,that I cheated on the 7 Sen.I do not have the stamp watermarked "zig-zag lines", but showed the one watermarked "curved wavy lines" from 1937.
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Post by salentin on Mar 29, 2019 17:22:49 GMT
In addition to the "Beauty looking back" Philatelic Week 1948 stamp,issued Nov.29th,1948 shown by nl1947:
The stamp was printed in sheets of 5. Two different types exist: perforted through on the left and on the right.
Scott is not quite correct: The work of Hishikawa Moronobu is not a print,but a silk-painting. In 1996,June 3rd a Philatelic Week 1996-issue,shows the painting and the stamp side by side. As I do not collect recent stamps,I cannot show that issue.
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Post by salentin on Mar 29, 2019 17:26:19 GMT
The same design was used also for the souvenir sheet,commemorating the philatelic exhibitions in Kanazawa and Takaoka.Issued Dec.3rd,1948
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Post by Philatarium on Mar 30, 2019 16:24:08 GMT
1949 Okayama, Matsuyama & Takamatsu Exhibitions set Sakura C153-55, Scott below
Wavy watermark showing through the stamps...
It's always tough to identify these unless you see all three together. (I have no idea why anyone thought it was a good idea to have those shades so close together. ... Someday I should look through the old ISJP articles and see if I can learn anything about that.) Thank you for posting this. |
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Post by salentin on Apr 2, 2019 2:18:47 GMT
1949 SPORTS - 4th National Athletic Meet set Sakura# C145-148, Scott 473a
Click on image for full view
 I can´t help it,the colour of that bloc should be black-brown (Michel) or deep olive-brown (S.G.)
Comparing my scan with the original stamps,I´d say that the scan is slightly to bright. But at least it comes near the real colour.
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Post by salentin on Apr 2, 2019 2:54:07 GMT
same bloc,scanned with a lower brightness
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Post by zipper on Apr 2, 2019 4:00:37 GMT
1949 SPORTS - 4th National Athletic Meet set Sakura# C145-148, Scott 473a
Looks to me like it's the right color. I see no reason to complain. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 12:32:38 GMT
1949 SPORTS - 4th National Athletic Meet set Sakura# C145-148, Scott 473a
Looks to me like it's the right color. I see no reason to complain. Complaints and a friendly forum seem at odds.
Considering it was scanned in 2005 [image date stamp] with prehistoric equipment it certainly appears to meet "Black brown /deep olive brown" mentioned and not the grey scale ones above. 
Thanks to unechan - anyone who sees the word REPONSE on the postcard might have figured out that it means REPLY. You reminded me I had to adjust the period dates on my original post - something I had meant to get back to but had a memory lapse. Good to have someone on TSF who is knowledgeable on Japan . |
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Post by salentin on Apr 3, 2019 2:56:31 GMT
Complaints and a friendly forum seem at odds.
Considering it was scanned in 2005 [image date stamp] with prehistoric equipment it certainly appears to meet "Black brown /deep olive brown" mentioned and not the grey scale ones above.
Criticism and complaining are two different matters.If you own the bloc,just have a look at it,or better make a new scan and compare the result.A friendly forum without an exchange of views is just dull.Life without controversies is as as vivid as death. Back to the "Tazawas"
nl1947 already had shown most of the 1937 white paper Tazawas,on watermarked paper "curvey lines" Above a few additional and the 25 Sen in slightly different tones. The 1/2 Sen and the 3 Sen of this series exist in two different sizes: 18,5 x 22.5 mm and 18.5 x 22 mm. The 3 Sen (18.5 x 22,5 mm) perforated horizontally only is a coil-stamp,issued Aug.26th,1938)
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Post by unechan on Apr 3, 2019 11:32:52 GMT
Going back a bit to Tazawa series; This is a list of all issues which I compiled for another Forum, but nevertheless I thought it might be useful here as well.  Note that the ID is for Japan Specialized Stamp Catalogue and not for Scott. - Hironobu |
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Post by salentin on Apr 3, 2019 13:45:23 GMT
1952 Japanese RED CROSS 75h Anniversary set Sakura# C227-228  I will not speculate how this scan was made.But for sure something went terribly wrong. My scan may not be of top quality,but at least it gives a fair impression how the stamps look like.
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Post by Philatarium on Apr 3, 2019 20:29:52 GMT
Going back a bit to Tazawa series; This is a list of all issues which I compiled for another Forum, but nevertheless I thought it might be useful here as well. Note that the ID is for Japan Specialized Stamp Catalogue and not for Scott. - Hironobu Hironobu: Thanks very much for your outstanding explanatory charts! Not only this one, but all the ones you've created! This is a very big help for a lot of collectors, and it is much appreciated! -- Dave |
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Post by unechan on Apr 4, 2019 0:04:59 GMT
These are amongst the most beautifully designed stamps from the 50s, I believe. Wonderful. Another feature about this issue is that the Sen unit (underlined two digits after the Yen value inscriptions) are abandoned from this issue. So this issue could be considered as a beginning of new era in Japanese stamp. - Hironobu |
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Post by unechan on Apr 4, 2019 0:18:21 GMT
Going back a bit to Tazawa series; This is a list of all issues which I compiled for another Forum, but nevertheless I thought it might be useful here as well. Note that the ID is for Japan Specialized Stamp Catalogue and not for Scott. - Hironobu Hironobu: Thanks very much for your outstanding explanatory charts! Not only this one, but all the ones you've created! This is a very big help for a lot of collectors, and it is much appreciated! -- Dave Dave, my pleasure :-) As mentioned earlier, Tazawa series are so rich in variations, not only the different issues but in perforation, paper and selvage (and overprints as well) that I get still confused a lot... this is why I decided to make this chart as a start, and also the reason I decided not to go too far into the series ;-) The categorization of granite paper... a real challenge for me. - Hironobu |
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Post by salentin on Apr 7, 2019 17:49:49 GMT
 As well as a 3 Sen "Kiku",3 Sen "Tazawa" were also overprinted to serve as military stamps. The shown one was issued on Aug.31st,1913 (unwatermarked paper)
Others: May 20th,1914 3 Sen on watermarked paper
April 1921,3 Sen opt.for offices in China (scarce and expensive)
June 24th,1924 distance between the opt.characters smaller (2 mm) old die (19x 22,5 mm) 1928 dto. new die (18,5x22 mm) 1933 dto. (18,5x22,5 mm)
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Post by salentin on Apr 11, 2019 2:50:20 GMT
Tazawa on unwatermarked paper and old die on watermarked paper were also overprinted for the Japanese Post Offices in China.I have just a few from the total of 26 stamps,what were produced. The 5 and 10 Yen "Empress Jingo Kogo" on watermarked paper were also overprinted. The Japanese Post Offices in China were closed at the end of 1922 and the stamps lost validity on Dec.31st,1922.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 11:41:44 GMT
1949 SPORTS - 4th National Athletic Meet set Sakura# C145-148, Scott 473a
Looks to me like it's the right color. I see no reason to complain.
Looking through Japan to see what I can add
I must agree with color but no comment on complain This is my set IT is indeed black-brown (Michel) or deep olive-brown (S.G.) as noted by @ Salentin But I also notice problem -
@nl1947 original post color is mostly same maybe except for some slight toning
And probably a color variety as there are different ones
But it is not like the one Salentin showed in his post of nl1947 which is yellow or very toned see below - looks like it was altered from the above
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 16:28:09 GMT
A scarce #1 - seen better days but 145 years does that
1871 Dragon Sc1c Plate II - large dots in the rectangles above
MANY forgeries but with the right information lots of genuine traits to check.
Which reminds me I am visiting beautiful. quiet Kyoto with DNBK {Dai Nippon Butoku Kai} So maybe more Japan beauties in a few weeks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 21:40:22 GMT
Seems like good spot since close to Japan I have some Ryukyu Islands stamps These generally have higher CV  1946 RYUKYU Is - Miyako island district overprint Sc# 3X15 |
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Post by salentin on Apr 13, 2019 3:13:47 GMT
Mt.Fuji and Deer, ("old die" 19 x 22,5 mm),issued Jan.1st,1922;
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