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Post by alan on Feb 11, 2022 2:00:08 GMT
Dave,
I was worried about the plate wear on that blue 2p
I concur, it's not a SG2
Also, not enough blueing on the back too, that chemical reaction on the London prints has more spotted blue on the back (although mine has decent blueing on the front)
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Post by DK on Feb 11, 2022 2:01:48 GMT
Dave, Thanks for the crop of that unused blue Queen Victoria 2p: MUCH BETTER! Alan hdm1950 did that one for you Alan .... but if you can try and do similar it would be of immense help. Dave
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Post by DK on Feb 11, 2022 2:07:28 GMT
I just added closer pix of this mystery watermark along with another quick sketch. Definitely not a 6-pointed large star; that cross shape is visible so I hope you can see it now. Alam It will be a 'large star' wmk Alan. There never was a wmk like the one you have drawn for us, on an NZ stamp. I think that what is happening is that the stamp has some thinning around the area of the star, and therefore the star appears misshapen. Dave
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Post by alan on Feb 11, 2022 2:10:46 GMT
Dave,
Make immense progress on day 1 of becoming a new member. THANKS TO YOU !!!
I'll let you digest the new close-up pix & sketch of this mystery cross watermark that is definitely not a 6-pointed large star.
I'm stumped & wonder how that watermark shape got on the back of my NZ 1855 - 1873 1p.
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Post by DK on Feb 11, 2022 2:17:17 GMT
You are very welcome Alan.
BTW The 'large star' wmk is a 5 pointed star - not 6 :-)
Watermarks are made when the paper is manufactured - in this case by 'Rush Mills' of England.
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Post by alan on Feb 11, 2022 2:19:25 GMT
Dave,
Like the old saying goes, there's a first for everything (& I hope it will eventually apply to this mystery watermark).
I'll try some watermarking fluid this weekend to verify if it's a cross or a 6-pointed large star.
Until then, keep sharing the truth!
Cheers!
Alan
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Post by tundrawolf on Feb 11, 2022 2:46:51 GMT
Some good news on the stamp below. It's been a long process but I've finally been issued a certificate from RPSNZ. Philip
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Post by DK on Feb 11, 2022 3:38:54 GMT
A certified SG1 ?
It looks a nice example if so ....
Lets see the certifcate then Philip :-)
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Post by tundrawolf on Feb 11, 2022 3:58:54 GMT
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Post by DK on Feb 11, 2022 4:28:20 GMT
WOW. Nice one Philip
What is the story behind this acquisition?
That is Brian Rumsey's signature on the cert isn't it?
You and Grant certainly produce some nice items for our viewing pleasure. Thanks for that :-)
I don't think that I will ever own one! But you never know .....
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Post by tundrawolf on Feb 11, 2022 7:23:46 GMT
Signature is Pat Brownsey.
I sent this stamp to the expert committee about 3 years ago but there was disagreement among the committee members and they decided they couldn't certify it. I was confident that it was an SG1 so I contacted Professor Gene Hall in the US to have it analysed using energy dispersive X-ray fluorescence, EDXRF, which measures the relative abundance of the elements in the ink. Professor Hall had worked with Bob Odenweller to devise a test to distinguish SG1 from SG35 and my stamp showed the high relative calcium level which clearly separates the 2 groups. With that information to hand I re-submitted it.
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Post by DK on Feb 11, 2022 7:39:36 GMT
Ahhhh - "the old relative calcium level" trick eh?
As Maxwell Smart would have said ! :-)
Well, that was obviously the 'Smart' thing to do then Philip. Well done you!
And something we have all learnt today - the difference between a PB 'London' SG1 printing and a locally produced 'Davies' SG35 - if shade cannot distinguish them - is the high relative calcium level in the inks, between the two groups.
Nice.
I bet that you are pleased about having your suspicions confirmed.
Really well done. I am very pleased for you.
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Post by alan on Feb 19, 2022 14:02:33 GMT
DK Dave,
I'm still learning how to navigate around these boards & I see you've been able to move my latest thread over to a Queensland Q & A thread.
THANKS AGAIN ! MUCH APPRECIATED !
There were some fascinating reads on the other thread about Philip getting a NZ 1p SG1 certified. X-rays, special equipment + chemical testing? WOW! Somebody dug deep and hit gold.
I can now see that I'm in the right place to have all you experts chime in to get any answer to my questions.
Carry on with all your great work.
The only thing I can add to this forum is to provide everybody with new material for viewing & discussion.
Alan
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Post by DK on Mar 8, 2022 19:11:07 GMT
I have just received in an interesting Chalon. A 2d blue on blue paper, no wmk - therefore a 'Richardson' printing - SG5A nice PB '2' of Russell too. Interestingly it is an example of a 'wet' print. Looks to be well overinked. I am curious though if this is an example of a re-entry? Can any of our fantastic Chalon experts shed any light on this, or at least some thoughts on what they see here? This is quite an unusual example for SG5. I have about 15-20 SG5's, and none like this one. Dave
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Post by Bas S Warwick on Mar 21, 2022 0:08:32 GMT
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Post by DK on Mar 22, 2022 23:55:22 GMT
In an upcoming Public Auction, Auckland City Stamps has this interesting item : An example of a Mail Bag cancellation Dave
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Post by DK on Mar 23, 2022 0:03:42 GMT
And another one (same Auction as above) Dave
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Post by DK on Mar 23, 2022 0:09:42 GMT
And a Crown Circle handstamp of Christchurch - very rare found on a stamp (usually found on front of envelope or entire) Dave
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Post by DK on Mar 23, 2022 0:16:33 GMT
And a 1d SG 111 on Newspaper piece - uncommon Dave
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Post by gc on Mar 26, 2022 20:03:54 GMT
Hi Dave Yes I do see some nice items. Cheers Grant
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 14, 2022 21:23:58 GMT
Hi Grant gc and Dave DK , Bas S Warwick , tundrawolf , This little trio imperf with large star watermark and rather undistinguished cancels has just landed on my desk amongst a batch of Chalon heads. a whole new area for me to explore where I have never gone before, so I would be grateful for some help from you Kiwis as to ID and possible sensible pricing as I have been asked to sell for a local contact who resurected his late brother’s collection from the attic during a house clearance. is that a recognised re entry to the left of No 3? It is way out of alignment with the other two. [u It seems to me as if the frame round [POSTAGE]is broken over the letters PO , more so in the first two than in the third stamp Alex.
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 14, 2022 21:40:48 GMT
There is also a nice looking pair of three pence in a brownish lilac shade I need to identify , again with large star watermark . [
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Post by banknoteguy on Apr 15, 2022 0:03:33 GMT
Can you post images of the backside? These don't appear to be on blued paper. Correct?
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Post by gc on Apr 15, 2022 0:10:02 GMT
Hi Alex My guess is the strip of three is SG38 Davies Print, and the pair SG40 also Davies Print. As to value, in perfect condition the strip of three could retail for $800.00 NZD ( maybe a premium for a strip ) The pair would retail for $1,100.00 NZD also if in perfect condition Regards Grant
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Post by gc on Apr 15, 2022 0:12:28 GMT
Hi all Just an interesting item to add today. I was once told that perf 13 stamps often have "clean cut" perfs. This one seems to challenge that theory. It is an SG73 showing advanced plate wear A large stamp with complete row of punched perfs on the left. CDS Invercargill 12 March 1864 Cheers Grant
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 15, 2022 2:38:13 GMT
Can you post images of the backside? These don't appear to be on blued paper. Correct? No , paper is not blued. I will check to confirm watermark.
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 15, 2022 2:41:36 GMT
Hi Alex My guess is the strip of three is SG38 Davies Print, and the pair SG40 also Davies Print. As to value, in perfect condition the strip of three could retail for $800.00 NZD ( maybe a premium for a strip ) The pair would retail for $1,100.00 NZD also if in perfect condition Regards Grant WoW that’s much better than I thought .I will need to take a closer look , and do better scans these were done with my phone. Thanks
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Post by DK on Apr 15, 2022 2:42:15 GMT
I would be grateful for some help from you Kiwis as to ID and possible sensible pricing as I have been asked to sell for a local contact who resurected his late brother’s collection from the attic during a house clearance. is that a recognised re entry to the left of No 3? It is way out of alignment with the other two. It seems to me as if the frame round [POSTAGE]is broken over the letters PO , more so in the first two than in the third stamp Alex. Hi Alex The strip of three 2d blues & the pair of 3d brown-lilacs are both Davies prints from 1862-64 As Grant has stated they are SG38 & SG40 respectively. (SG38/39 depend on the amount of wear of the plate. Yours are bordering on SG39 I think) Unfortunately your images are not big/clear enough to see the re-entry you may have. I don't know how you inserted the images on here but when I insert them they can be enlarged by clicking on them. I presume you used "upload images" instead of "add image to post" ?!? As to value Grant states full retail from a dealer I think. With not knowing your strategy for selling these (eBay ?) then it is hard to give an accurate possible realisation. So, given that, I will give a range if selling on eBay IMHO. 2d blue SG38 strip of 3 - US$100 - 250 3d brown-lilac pair SG40 - US$125 - 300 As you know, these things can be 'off the mark' as there are so many variables involved - but condition is very important & as you do not mention any faults and do not show us a back scan it is hard to assess exactly. As an aside I hate dealers (sellers) not showing a back side scan of their expensive lots. We, the punters, are supposed to rely on their description and a single frontal image. I do not bid on any items without front and back scans. So I would suggest that you upload some back scans for us to see their condition and I would also suggest that when you list the material you let us know on this thread so that we may have a chance to bid. All the best Dave
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 15, 2022 8:17:28 GMT
Many thanks Dave , Yes this time for the image I was not at my desk so just a snapshot with my phone and uploaded pics here with Imgur . Your price range indications are certainly more in line with my original expectations. The Scottish Philatelic Congress is next Friday and Saturday and it was my thought, armed with Grant’s and your helpful advice , to have a chat with Corbitts the Auctioneers from Newcastle as I have two other imperf Sixpence pairs and a number of perf issues I need to check . I’ll start loading some more images at 600 DPI here over the rest of the day once I have cleaned the backs of any hinge remainders etc. I’ll also show against a dark background this time to highlight margins. So watch this space as I pick your brains again I may go down the eBay route in the end , but possibly not for a couple of weeks as I shall be making a sketching trip into the Highlands after the Congress. Any way I will certainly let you guys know where and when they are being sold. I have previously bought and sold early Samoa via John Mowbray in the past and still get his catalogues. Unfortunately due to covid restrictions in February he was not able to come to London 2022 when we might have met. Scanned image this time ( SG 38 trio ) rather than the earlier photoshot Front and reverse ... There are a couple of brown spots on stamp No 1 and SG 40 pair of threepence brown Lilac So apart from the close margin on one side of each item and the small brown spots on one stamp, there do not appear to be any other condition issues . Pity the cancel gave Victoria a black eye
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 15, 2022 12:29:58 GMT
Now I am on a roll, I think this might be SG 55, nice red brown shade, wmk large star, Rouletted 7 unfortunately with a hinge thin lower centre just at her shoulder ( Just noticed that fluffy adhesion top right corner which have subsequently removed with wet Q tip. it is not surface damage)
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