New Zealand: Chalons - 1855-1873

Not much of a description if that is all it said Arend.
It is accurate in that you got 11 Chalons I presume - and 2 of them were 'Accidental' imperfs. Is that all it said of them? Were there some good scans of the fronts and backs? And this was a Mowbrays auction lot?
I would have thought that they would have stated something about the overall condition of the lot.

Do you consider the amount paid (total invoiced price) reasonable for what you got?

Very Interesting




Not sure that I agree with the last half or your thoughts there Arend.
This part yes : "Mixed condition generally refers to the condition and state of the stamps"

Second half not so much : "to do with toning or rusting".

To me 'Mixed Condition' when describing an auction lot of several stamps, or a collection of stamps, means that you can expect stamps from poor to fine condition. That description covers the whole cammit of conditions - from faults like toning & rust to tears & thins and missing perfs & folds & creases & discoloration etc etc.

Perhaps that question about lots being described as 'mixed condition' should be put into a more general thread that everybody can have an opinion on. Now that would be interesting reading



Quite nice Arend. The margins, as you state, are a bit thin so may not get a clear cert.
Really the certifiers are looking for conclusive evidence of it being 'naturally unperforated'.



Dave

Hi Blackcap, when you get a chance to scan them, it would be great if you can post the FSS proofs and the newspaper strips in the "New Zealand: Newspaper Stamp & First Sidefaces - 1873-1878" thread. I would like to see the proofs.

Here is the lot listing you mention :



Sold for NZ$3300.00 + 17% BP + 15% gst on the BP = @ NZ$3945.15

The listing mentions 2/- FSF used x 3 & 2x fiscal used and also 4x the 5/- FSF fiscal used.

Now that would be a nice grouping to see in the First Sideface thread :-)

It also mentions 25x mint to 1/- FSF - again would be nice to see a scan in the FSF thread ....

The strips of 10 Newspaper stamps mint with one showing a full 'New Zealand' wmk also very nice - that would also be nice to see a full clear scan of in the FSF thread.

The listing ends with High CV but 'mixed condition" - so you can expect some faults (standard desciption on large lots like that).

Of your Chalons I agree with Mark, The manuscripts are always worth looking more closely at, so a scan focussed on that 1 2d blue would be good. From the image supplied it looks like 'SR' which, if it is in fact that, would be for South Rakaia. Wooders rates that as a 10 :-)



Dave

Here is an example of the H roulette :





Dave

Here's a fiscal with the H roulette for comparison. I think yours looks pretty good Dave but I have no idea if there are forgeries or how good they look.

 


Philip

Hi Dave

I have been scouring my old cataloges trying to find another copy of SG67c, and have only found one so far.

Sorry about the scan, the photo in the catalogue is very grainy. Description reads

" 1/- green, fine used, roulettes clipped for 5mm at lower left, apparently used in 1867. Ex Meredith RPSNZ Cert 1973" It was under the sub heading 1863 H Roulette 15-16 at Nelson

If yours is a SG67c a very rare stamp, well done for spotting it.

Cheers Grant

Hi Dave
Yes I have got a copy of the Du Bois and saw these.
I was wondering whether yours would be described as "H Roulette" and these in the Du Bois sale as "serrates"
I note that even Joseph Hackmey ( considered as one of the best Chalon collections ever formed ) never had a H Roulette SG67c
Cheers Grant

Hi Pete

They look to me, from what I see of their colors on my screen, to be:

All 1862 Davies imperf's
1d Vermillion - SG34
2d Blue - SG39
1/- Yellow Green - SG45

In Scott that would be SC 11e, 12 & 15




Dave

Thanks again Dave DK!

I spent quite some time staring at the stamp under bright lights, and now think that there is indeed a watermark there, and the most likely culprit is the star - it's definitely NOT the "NZ" watermark, in which case I suspect this might be a Scott # 14e. The scan is a little redder than the actual stamp, which seems to be a bit more brown, but not the black brown.

And yes, on close review it does look like the cancellation might be an upside down "17". Can you explain what that means?

Hi all
Slightly different topic.
For those of that don't know, some of the Chalon stamps could in fact change colour.
Here are a couple examples and written up page.
Grant