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Post by DK on Mar 24, 2023 6:49:50 GMT
For those interested : NZ2023 NZ FIAP Stamp Exhibition, 4 - 7 May 2023, Auckland, NZ. nz2023.nz/
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Post by gc on Mar 24, 2023 17:23:09 GMT
Hi Dave
It has taken 14 years to get those 3d serrates. Both saving up and finding the right copies.
I exhibited in Wellington last year. I won't be exhibiting in Auckland. I want to get more material together rather than presenting the same exhibit twice.
Grant
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Post by DK on Mar 24, 2023 19:52:04 GMT
14 years! Us collectors are a patient lot, aren't we Well they were worth waiting for, and that 3d is exquisite. I am sorry that you won't be exhibiting at Auckland in May. I may have made the trip up there if you had been. Although, I see that Klaus Moller is showing a 'Chalon' Exhibit, so may be worth a look still. All the best Dave
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Post by gc on Mar 27, 2023 6:48:40 GMT
Hi Dave
Yes Klaus has a fantastic collection, particularly strong on postal history ( some beautiful covers )
Cheers Grant
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Post by gc on Mar 31, 2023 18:52:00 GMT
Thought it would be nice to show a couple of covers The first is a single use of SG111 Orange-vermilion 1d on star watermarked paper ( perf 12.5 ) to pay the correct "Town Letter" rate. The second is also a single use of a Pale Orange-vermilion 1d on star watermarked paper ( perf 12.5 ), but this time underpaying the 2d "Counrty" letter rate. Apparently accepted as a Town Letter (rate 1d), but Opunake is 64km S of New Plymouth and Patea is 53km NW of Wanganui. From 1/7/1871, an underpaid letter was to be forwarded and charged double the deficiency. The country rate was 2d so 2d postage due should have been charged.
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Post by DK on Apr 2, 2023 8:27:25 GMT
More lovely items Grant.
Very nice to see them.
Dave
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Post by DK on Apr 5, 2023 3:12:26 GMT
Got this recently - a rather large stamp .... but very clean and attractive SG 76 Brown 1862-1864 p13 Davies Dave
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Post by DK on Apr 5, 2023 4:18:21 GMT
Here is an SG132 1d Red brown Davies of 1872-73 p12½ It was printed off a rapidly deteriorating plate - this example tho' has a white patch to her crown ! Dave
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Post by DK on Apr 5, 2023 4:26:57 GMT
And this one is a little odd (at least to me). It appears to have been patched - as seen from the pic below of the reverse side of it. Grant, Phil or anybody else - Were the Chalon sheets officially patched when damaged or badly perforated? Or is this just a case of an amateur collector repairing one of their stamps? I have looked around my books and the web but haven't found anything yet to corroborate the official patching thought. EDIT: I do note a repaired tear to the lower side edge, and one smaller one to the top edge. Hmmmm Dave
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Post by gc on Apr 5, 2023 7:14:21 GMT
Hi Dave Yes the PO did officially "patch" or repair stamps. I just can't find it at the moment, but there was an article in NZSS Here is a block of 8, unfortunately I do not have the scans of the back. It does not belong to me. I remember seeing a scan of the rear, and it is clear the "patch" or repair. Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Apr 5, 2023 7:49:07 GMT
Thanks Grant.
I will look for some more info on the 'official' patching of the Chalons and report back on anything I discover about the process.
The patching on the used example above is clear, so hopefully it is a legit copy of it. Another sideline to collect :-)
Dave
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Post by DK on Apr 26, 2023 8:38:07 GMT
Late Letters RPSNZ Vol. 7 Definition:
Late Letters are letters received at the Post Office after the regular mails had closed and were accepted within defined time limits before the mail was dispatched, provided an additional fee (LATE FEE) was prepaid in stamps. Such letters were included in the “Supplementary Mails”; otherwise they would have been treated as TOO LATE. Regulations:
From 1 January 1864, late letters were accepted for the United Kingdom and Australia during the period from two hours before departure of the mail from the post office to 20 minutes before dispatch, provided an additional fee of 1/- was prepaid in postage stamps. From 16 February 1864 a letter box was installed on the poop of contract mail steamers for the reception of inter-provincial late letters which were charged an additional late fee of 6d in postage stamps.(Failing this prepayment, a double fee of 1/- was charges on delivery). From 1 January 1866 the Late Letter interval for mail to the United Kingdom and Australia was reduced to the period from one hour before departure to 20 minutes before final dispatch. From 17 July 1867 the late fee to the United Kingdom and Australia, now extended to include America and the West Indies, was reduced to 6d. From 14 January 1870 late letters were accepted, within time limits as before, to all overseas countries, provided an additional single rate of postage was prepaid in postage stamps. The additional charge on Interprovincial late letters was now reduced from 6d to 3d. Late Letters were now accepted for delivery at another Post Office within the Province on payment of an additional Late Fee of 2d in stamps. Late letters were also accepted for town delivery at an additional charge of 1d, until within 10 minutes of the time of dispatch of the letter carriers. Late Letters posted without the appropriate late fee were treated as TOO LATE mail and detained until the next dispatch. A fine had to be paid on delivery in the case of insufficiently paid letters posted in the mail steamer letter boxes. Late Fee and Late Letter hand struck markings, both framed and unframed, were used, as well as manuscript endorsements. Late Fee markings are sometimes found cancelling the additional adhesives. From the few extant endorsed or stamped covers, it appears that Late Fee or Late Letter markings were not often used and the additional postage paid was sufficient to allow the letter to be accepted for inclusion in the supplementary mails. Examples posted by gc Grant earlier in this thread: And one I have just received in: Dave
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Post by gc on Apr 27, 2023 6:26:30 GMT
Lovely item Dave, I saw it and forgot to bid. So good on you its superb. Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on May 12, 2023 23:50:27 GMT
I was sorting thru' some Penny Universals last week and sorted out and showed here some lovely SON examples. As I was self inspired by this I thought that I would sort out my Chalons and show some SON postmarks on these. 1st row:SG5, 5, 8, 9, 12, 13, 2nd row:SG14, 16, 37, 37a, 40, 41 3rd row:SG41, 44, 70, 123, 122, 122a Dave
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Post by JeffS on May 13, 2023 0:48:31 GMT
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Post by gc on May 13, 2023 20:37:00 GMT
Superb line up Dave !!
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Post by DK on May 23, 2023 2:59:13 GMT
Thanks Team Not much on the horizon for new items coming in, from a Chalon perspective. It seems a bit quiet on that front currently for me But one that has found its way thru' is this below: SG136 6d pale blue with the R16/3 major reentry. BTW it also has a reasonable Otago 'O' number cancel too. Sadly not complete .... I shall include it into the "Chalon reentries" thread as well. Dave
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Post by DK on Jun 29, 2023 0:03:18 GMT
Long time no post! Not alot happening on the Chalon front for me lately, I have been focusing on filling other gaps in my collections. I have also started a France collection and am also taking a look into French Polynesia as well. How nice to be able to diversify into other areas of our great hobby :-) Anyway, I am posting back on here as I recently purchased an item that, again for our fondly thought of Christchurch based Trademe dealer friend, has gotten his descriptions incorrect again, to my delight .... He listed the below item as '$1 Reserve!! Cat $650+!! Rare Used Pair 1d Brown SG 126 Chalon 1871' - which it isn't! The pair is p10 all around the outside BUT it is p12½ thru' the center of the pair. That makes this pair not SG126 (p10 all round) BUT SG128a 'irregular compound perf'. 3 sides p10 and 1 side p12½. Not a huge difference in catalog value - £500 instead of £300 - but a pleasant surprise for sure :-) (BTW I paid NZ$34 for it) Dave
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Post by gc on Jun 30, 2023 20:38:07 GMT
Hi Dave Yes, I agree it's nice to have a win now and again. Well done. Here is an item not many people may have seen. As far as I can tell only two Chalon telegram covers recorded.
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Post by DK on Jun 30, 2023 21:32:08 GMT
Lovely item Grant. Noted the very large lhs margin on those 2. Also, at first glance, the pair appear imperf between, but of course there is a 'blind' row of perfs down the middle. I had to look up on the internet when the Telegraph service began in New Zealand and found this: The national network :
New Zealand’s first telegraph line – between Lyttelton and Christchurch – was set up by the Canterbury provincial government in 1862. British military engineers built a line between Auckland and Drury that opened in June 1863, just before the Waikato War began. By 1865 the southern telegraph line extended from Invercargill, via Dunedin and Christchurch, to the Hurunui river in North Canterbury.
In 1866 the link across Cook Strait was laid. Development of the North Island network was delayed by opposition from some Māori. The Wellington–Auckland line was not fully operational until 1872. With the assistance of Māori allies and the use of military redoubts, the route ran via Napier, Taupō and Tauranga.With those dates in mind and seeing the date on your cover, May 9 1872, it is no wonder there are so few covers known. Very early use of the Auckland - Wellington section of that service. An early NZ Telegraph form from Christchurch 1867:Dave
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Post by gc on Jun 30, 2023 23:05:42 GMT
Hi Dave Yes if only "imperf between" Stamps are from Column1, but I can't work out what row numbers. Stamps are perf 10 x 12.5 SG128 It appears as though someone has removed the pair and repositioned slightly different from the original. My guess the stamps were originally placed slightly "off square" and someone has thought it would look nicer having them square. Still a great item though. Your early telegram sheet Dave is great. E Stafford assuming is Edward Stafford ex New Zealand prime minister and addressed to a Mr Moorhouse. I wonder if this is the same person from whom "Moorhouse" Ave in Chch is named. Cheers GRant
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Post by DK on Jul 7, 2023 22:34:19 GMT
He listed the below item as '$1 Reserve!! Cat $650+!! Rare Used Pair 1d Brown SG 126 Chalon 1871' - which it isn't! The pair is p10 all around the outside BUT it is p12½ thru' the center of the pair. That makes this pair not SG126 (p10 all round) BUT SG128a 'irregular compound perf'. 3 sides p10 and 1 side p12½. Not a huge difference in catalog value - £500 instead of £300 - but a pleasant surprise for sure :-) (BTW I paid NZ$34 for it) UPDATE (and correction):I recently purchased, and have received, the latest CP Catalog - up to date to 2023 :-) I looked up, amongst other things, this item that I referred to as SG128a ' irregular compound perf' 3 sides p10 and 1 side p12½. However! In the new CP Catalog this item is listed as: 1871 Perf. 10 Plate shows intermediate wearA1n 1d Reddish-brown (shades) (SG126) (x) Horizontal pair perf.12½ between - $3000 So now I am even more rapt about it. NB Of course had they been two singles instead of a pair then they would each be SG128a. (I will try and not separate them then!) Dave
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Post by gc on Jul 8, 2023 7:37:20 GMT
In our hobby it's great to have a win now and again.
Well done Dave, nice item indeed.
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Post by gc on Jul 9, 2023 1:07:47 GMT
Thoughts the readers may like these. Very late use Chalon covers First one is Napier to London sent 25 August 1875, almost 20 months after the last official release date. The second is locally posted in Christchurch on 26 September 1910, the last recorded cover posted using a Chalon before they were demonetized in 1913
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Post by DK on Jul 9, 2023 2:33:34 GMT
Great Chalon Postal History items there Grant. They are both great pieces I particularly like the 2d blue local with the machine cancel. A blending of the old & modern worlds with a Chalon twist. Love it! Dave PS Don't forget about the Ken Lynch sale of Chalon Heads either. Sale at 10am Saturday July 29, 2023 Link to PDF ===> The Ken Lynch Collection of NZ Chalon Heads
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Post by JeffS on Jul 9, 2023 2:37:44 GMT
I simply wish to say that I have enjoyed these Chalon posts tremendously.
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Post by DK on Jul 22, 2023 23:28:48 GMT
Thanks JeffSHere are a couple of nice 1871 1d browns SG128 & SG132SG128 p10x12½ large top margin & SG132 p12½ with nice 'Nelson' CDS (no year value in postmark unusually!) During 1871-72 the 1d plate wore badly (as can be seen here). The 1855-73 Chalon issue was replaced in January of 1874 by the First Sideface issue. Dave
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Post by gc on Jul 25, 2023 1:08:14 GMT
Nice items Dave I hadn't seen a year omission before Cheers Grant
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Post by DK on Jul 28, 2023 21:18:47 GMT
As I really do enjoy getting Chalons with CDS cancels I thought that I would show a few of the ones that came in in the past week. SG114 2d Blues & SG120 4d Yellows Note the shade differences, particularly the very pale yellow 4d. A very poor impression of it to say the least. Dave
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Post by gc on Aug 2, 2023 6:15:16 GMT
Long time no post! Not alot happening on the Chalon front for me lately, I have been focusing on filling other gaps in my collections. I have also started a France collection and am also taking a look into French Polynesia as well. How nice to be able to diversify into other areas of our great hobby :-) Anyway, I am posting back on here as I recently purchased an item that, again for our fondly thought of Christchurch based Trademe dealer friend, has gotten his descriptions incorrect again, to my delight .... He listed the below item as '$1 Reserve!! Cat $650+!! Rare Used Pair 1d Brown SG 126 Chalon 1871' - which it isn't! The pair is p10 all around the outside BUT it is p12½ thru' the center of the pair. That makes this pair not SG126 (p10 all round) BUT SG128a 'irregular compound perf'. 3 sides p10 and 1 side p12½. Not a huge difference in catalog value - £500 instead of £300 - but a pleasant surprise for sure :-) (BTW I paid NZ$34 for it) Dave Hi Dave What are the chances of finding a second pair for sale, and then a third pair in a Chalon publication. Here is a copy I have just received. Paid a little more than you did, but still a good price. The second copy is in the Lee and Watts Chalon Book. Cheers Grant
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